Yes, sorry for all the delays, but because of the nature of the numbered pieces, and minimizing the shipping costs, I had to get pretty much everyone's information rounded up before anything went out. The US winners should be receiving their pieces within days. The international winners probably still have a couple more weeks until delivery unfortunately.

HAHAHAHA! Now I know you are desperate. Nice appeal to "authority", as if Snopes qualifies. Snopes is shit, and so are your pathetic attempts at an argument.

No need to attack or defend him! [proceeds to attack him] This is why I have no respect for you in spite of being intelligent, you talk out of both sides of your face. I am not leaving anything out, you are 100% projecting. I am specifically pointing out the facts you wish to ignore. Me pointing out the things you would rather gloss over is not leaving anything out, it is me saying your premise does not outweigh what I am presenting. That is called presenting an argument.

It is both an internal and an international game. The USA is still the most powerful nation in the world, and as a result international forces have a stake in what happens here. To pretend this is not the case is asinine. The world wants to laugh at us because it is fucking trendy, and it gives them the opportunity to ignore and deflect from their own domestic issues. The rest of the world doesn't get to decide which rights and freedoms we have, sorry.

I like your false choice fallacy here insinuating that resisting globalism is equivalent to going back to the 1800's. Yes, we are tanking our own economy. That was exactly my premise, thanks for reinforcing it. Fear and panic is being used to con people like you into supporting this suicidal economic policy. You keep talking about all kinds of hypothetical situations of what could occur, I am telling you what IS occurring, right now, and what will continue to occur even if this policy is reversed immediately. It is not theoretical, it is factual. These lock downs are destroying our economy and that will result in MILLIONS of lost lives, homelessness, and poverty which hasn't been seen in generations.

No, no one is forced to go to work. They still have a choice. Just because it is a hard choice doesn't make it force. A state mandate however is literally force, as in if you disobey it men with guns come and force you comply. This isn't idealism, this is a fact. No, actually it isn't my money or anyone's money. It is created out of thin air, and is debt on the future. Not only is this irresponsible to future generations, that has been the case for generations, it is so over the top it is driving us to hyperinflation at warp speed. It is destroying any of what was left of price signalling and making our heavily inflated currency create totally irrational markets. Irrational markets means that the system fails. The system failing means the supply chain, which is a very complex system breaks down. That means the products we need to survive simply are not being produced. I could sleep on a bed of $100 bills, it means nothing if there is no food to buy. What you don't get is what you are advocating for IS making it worse, and your irrational fear is blinding you to that.

Interesting... since you brought up the numbers (which again ignore the bell curve but lets leave that aside for a moment). Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls57z3RXcOc

Yes, those precious stats you have so much confidence in are flawed. That is right. Some one who was a car accident, but tested positive for COVID, then later died of the trauma injuries is counted as a COVID death. Dying of cancer and in hospice, but test positive for COVID? Another COVID death. Even if your stats were 100% accurate, the impact that this will have on the economy DWARFS those death rates. It is impossible to make accurate projections with flawed base statistics.

You are ignoring the resulting poverty, suicides, homelessness, and deaths from people not being able to scheduled regular medical treatments, not because of resources being maxed out, but as a matter of policy. You keep making appeals to authority that they already accounted for all of this, but it simply doesn't wash even under moderate scrutiny.

Good for you, such a noble soul you are. Are you really telling me you think most people would prefer to work rather than sit home and earn MORE than they were paid to work? Now you are just being disingenuous. This is not just about the individual people suffering economic hardship, this is about the totality of the organs of the economy dying, and this is not something you just easily replace. This is the economic equivalent of organ failure. We depend on those organs to survive. Command economies kill those organs faster than anything.

"We are from the government, we are here to help!"

"Do not run, we are your friends!"

"...listen to the medical professionals that are collaborating with the government and their statisticians to follow a responsible reopening plan that minimizes economic impact and fatalities."

Famous last words.

You are a fucking fool if you believe this. Again, you appeal to authority and then proceed to project upon me the results your own favored policy will cause. I don't care how many experts you have. The economy can not be managed this way. If you know anything about economics you know the repeating theme of it throughout history is that it is too complicated to be effectively centrally managed, and that is exactly what you are advocating for. There is a difference between BELIEVING they accounted for all the variables, and actually accounting for all the variables. What you have here is a religion based on your faith in authority, not a factually based premise no matter how much you kick and scream about it.

More related:

"UV Light Flu Treatment"

https://youtu.be/ugRLoikr_-4



"Twitter Suspends Account Of Biotech Company Testing UV Light To Treat Coronavirus"

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/twitter-suspends-account-biotech-company-testing-uv-light-treat-coronavirus



"Maryland Joins Push To End Lockdowns"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/maryland-joins-push-end-lockdowns-china-claims-coronavirus-has-been-eradicated-wuhan



"Coronavirus: France bans online sales of nicotine products"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52415793



"American Farms Cull Millions Of Chickens Amid Virus-Related Staff Shortages At Processing Plants"

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/farms-across-delmarva-cull-millions-chickens-amid-virus-related-staff-shortages-processing



"At Least 10 Meatpacking Plants Close In Weeks Across America Stoking Food Shortage Fears"

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/tyson-close-its-largest-pork-plant-over-coronavirus-fears



"Dr. Birx Slams "Slicey & Dicey" Mainstream Media For Fixation On Trump's 'Sunlight' Comments"

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dr-birx-slams-slicey-dicey-cnn-media-fixation-trumps-sunlight-comments



"The COVID-19 Crisis Is Driving the EU to the Brink"

https://mises.org/wire/covid-19-crisis-driving-eu-brink



"Ending the Lockdowns Isn't about Saving Money. It's about Saving Lives. "

https://mises.org/wire/ending-lockdowns-isnt-about-saving-money-its-about-saving-lives



"How Shutdowns Will Keep Killing the Economy, Even When They're Over"

https://mises.org/wire/how-shutdowns-will-keep-killing-economy-even-when-theyre-over

Did you get banned Tom?

Last I checked, those devices aren't embedded in your body and can be left at home. Have you read the patent?



"Human body activity associated with a task provided to a user may be used in a mining process of a cryptocurrency system. A server may provide a task to a device of a user which is communicatively coupled to the server. A sensor communicatively coupled to or comprised in the device of the user may sense body activity of the user. Body activity data may be generated based on the sensed body activity of the user. The cryptocurrency system communicatively coupled to the device of the user may verify if the body activity data satisfies one or more conditions set by the cryptocurrency system, and award cryptocurrency to the user whose body activity data is verified."

The entire concept of the patent relies on using the human body as part of the sensor. If it was not, all you would have here is a Fitbit with crypto taped to it, which would not qualify for a patent. You will also note in the image, there are no arrows going back and forth from the body to the censor, indicating that they are one device.

KN95s are garbage. Don't buy them.

Because it is a fact Vod, but I know you have trouble with those. So, when is that apology coming?

I agree with your point about focusing on local government. County sheriffs have more authority than anyone in any level of government in their particular localities. This was intended from the start to be a form of decentralization. I think this is an effective route to take, I just wanted to point out that cheering for collapse will not work out the way people assume it would. The system that feeds the billionaires and oligarchs is still the system that feeds you and me even if it is inequitable. Burning down the house to get rid of a termite infestation is not a viable solution.

This isn't an argument.



We don't have any control over the rest of the world, and how they decide to handle this situation is not our responsibility. It is also completely a non-sequitur relating to this discussion. You also assume that there is no one who would profit from burning down the world economy, and there you would be dead wrong. Not only is this a perfect scapegoat to collapse the global economy which has been showing cracks for many years, even when you look at it from China's perspective, they benefit from stalling out the rest of the globe giving them longer to dig their claws in and fight the world's resistance to the system of dependence they have created on them for their manufacturing capacity. It is essentially like China losing at a game of monopoly, rather than admitting defeat, they flip over the table hoping that they might have a chance to find a better position rather than deal with the assured fate of their loss.

Regarding Trump, that is cute how you threw in the recent meme level news you seem to rely on. He didn't tell anyone to do anything, he asked a question. Furthermore what does the word "disinfectant" mean? Lets break it down. Infectant = something that infects, dis = to negate or remove. Disinfectant = something that negates or removes an infectious agent. People desperate to confirm their bias and looking desperately for any "gotcha" moment, real or manufactured rush to this like a bitch in heat because it has great optics in spite of its total lack of substance. Certain entities have been working overtime for DECADES to strip this country of its freedoms, because if we remain free, we will always serve as an example for other nations to desire what we have, freedom. The USA is the last stumbling block in the path of creating a globalist dictatorship. In summary, yes they very much do have motives to do these things in spite of your tenacious clinging to the buttocks of normalcy bias.

As far as the "free money" thanks for pointing out it is ineffective at preventing the shut down of production capacity. No one is being "forced" to come to work. Last I checked slavery was still illegal here. People however are being forced into poverty, homelessness, starvation, and suicide because of state mandates prohibiting them from running their businesses and earning a living to support themselves and others. This isn't a 1 day shut down, this is months on end of shutdown. I am glad you are comfortable. Other people aren't, but that is a sacrifice you are willing to make isn't it? It is kind of hard to shelter in place if you are homeless is it not? Lets just ignore the fact that even if everything opened up tomorrow, nothing would stop you from just staying home to protect yourself now would it? Regarding deaths, you would rather pretend that the peak of effect in one month is not a bell curve but something that will continue month after month. You know damned well even if ZERO precautions were taken, that is not how diseases work. Far more people die from car accidents every year, if this is the logic we are using we should ban cars immediately. No one has a right to put other people's lives at risk driving around after all.

This isn't just about cost of life or cost in money. Your precious projections you claim that have been so carefully worked out have no way to measure the permanent loss of production capacity over time that will result as the after effect of this no matter how much you chant "the government is here to help!" You are right, people don't give a shit. They want to sit at home safe and collect checks for doing nothing like an extended paid vacation. Unfortunately those little slips of paper don't mean shit when the people who actually produce the products you need to survive are driven out of business never to return.

The problem with your logic is that a collapsing economy will not take power from the government, it will only bolster it. Look at history. Any time there is a disaster people run into the warm embrace of government promising to save them. These people see the populace starting to get wise to their games, their only hope to maintain control is to level the playing field, turn over all the tables, and hope to claw back more control in the chaos. Ordo Ab Chao.

Thanks for the proof that TwattySqueal is full of shit.



Vod, I am still waiting for your apology for calling me a pedophile that you promised after demanding others apologize to you.

Taking a look at who is posting in multiple threads daily about this "imminent threat" it is pretty clear who is desperately seeking attention.



Could you POSSIBLY be any more melodramatic and hyperbolic? You have made it very clear you and your floppy shoe wearing toadies use the trust system and forum enforcement mechanisms designed to protect the user base as a tool for retribution against anyone who criticizes your behavior. There is no threat here, except for you.

Just an update, all US winners (except one waiting on info) have been shipped out. All international winners will go out to Minerjones this week. Thanks everyone for participating.

Oh, well you know them! That makes your argument completely not anecdotal and an appeal to authority right? You believe do you? Have you had your eyes welded shut the last 4 years? Have you not seen the insane lengths some of these districts will go to in order to try to fabricate some kind of scandal or disaster to throw at Trump to give themselves a chance in hell at being able to unseat him via hook or crook? Do you think they are above intentionally cratering the economy to depose him and to create the socialist UBI system they have been trying to push for years? I don't.

This isn't about claiming the virus isn't real or that people shouldn't take precautions. I notice any time anyone objects people love to claim that it is either you support all these totalitarian restrictions or you want to "do nothing". This is about these restrictions being used intentionally as a vector to crater the economy to force a very large portion of the US population into dependence on the government. What could go wrong depending on the government to feed and house you right?

Furthermore this IS breaking the supply chain. Do you think all these producers who are shutting down now because of these restrictions are going to be able to open back up? Of course not. You like to imagine that everything important is designated as essential and therefore everything is fine. That is not how it works in reality. Also you have no concept of how delicate the modern "just in time" supply chain is. These interruptions have dealt critical blows to our supply chain infrastructure, and the longer we let it bleed out the more our capacity to recover dwindles.

The results of the loss of this capacity is not just about profit, it is how all of us are fed, housed, and medically cared for. The number of people effected by this illness is a tiny fraction of the death and pain that will result from this loss of production capacity. Regarding these states begging for federal bail outs, just watch. They are using this situation to claim that is why they were in this position, not because of their own horrible mismanagement, but because of the virus. They will extend the lock downs as long as possible to create even more pressure to push federal bailouts. You watch as the cries for this grow louder.

Self centered? You know what is self centered? People like you who want to stay safe at home collecting "free money" while the people who feed you are losing everything because you think those in charge got it all figured out and would never steer us wrong. What does us being not the only nation dealing with this have to do with anything besides a pathetic appeal to emotion on your part? You know what else effects other nations? When food shortages start here in any scale, poor nations have FAMINE. Not shortages, millions die. Make some more appeals to emotion and tell me about being self centered again you twat.

"FBI conducting raid on Michigan hospital for using intravenous vitamin C"

https://www.wxyz.com/news/fbi-conducting-raid-at-allure-medical-in-shelby-township


"Fewer than half of working Americans will have a paycheck in May as devastating coronavirus layoffs persist"

https://www.businessinsider.com/layoffs-coronavirus-less-than-half-american-workers-paycheck-wage-may-2020-4

Let me know if you find anything that excludes that potential. Maybe you can jibber some more about conspiracy sites. Better than admitting you have no argument right?

Everything you just said is an appeal to authority with extra steps. You have far too much faith in the people who hand down these dictates. Furthermore, in a time where people are already starting to revolt, those in power are incentivized to cause MORE destruction, not less, so that dependence is created on them instead of them just getting thrown out on their asses. Never let a crisis go to waste

You will notice the states which have been hit the worst, that have the most totalitarian dictates, and coincidentally were already in debt and now angling to use this disaster for federal bailouts, are also using this as a way to level the playing field to give themselves a chance in hell of beating Trump. They know they damn well wouldn't be able to do it otherwise. Your suppositions that this is not effecting the supply chain is also infantile. The economy was already showing cracks, it is not going to recover if this continues. You know what happens then? World war. War never costs lives amirite?

Just posting the full quote since you are a fan of editing out parts you would rather avoid:

Conspiracy sites like M.I.T.?

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162.full