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841  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cockfighting? on: September 06, 2023, 06:33:30 PM
In my neighborhood, a neighbor breeds chickens for food and shelter before selling them to those who enjoy placing bets on the chicken fights he will attend. Therefore, the person who looks after the chicken will also wager on the chicken he sold on the day of the fight. In addition, he will receive a tip if the chicken he sold triumphs.

When the chicken you chose to bet on wins, rumor has it that you'll also win a sizable sum of money. However, I have never gambled in a cockfight since I may not enjoy the manner of gambling because I feel bad for the chicken.
Everyone should feel bad for the chickens involved because they are beating each other to death and one of them has to die only to get some people to win their bets and to entertain an audience. What kind of people would enjoy watching a poor animal die like that? There are thousands of games and sports in the world and there are people who are interested in watching and participating in cockfighting. Governments should ban such unethical and inhuman sports.

Some people compare cockfighting with boxing or martial arts and when you tell them that this is unethical and it shouldn't be enjoyed or should even be a sport, they will say that the same thing happens in boxing where two men beat each other, but they don't consider the fact that a human doesn't have to die in that game for the other one to win, it's just knocking out your opponent.

Well, I also think the same as you, because I don't see the point that some hens, chickens, roosters are killing each other just so that some of them find themselves earning money that shouldn't be, because these animals are unique, they are also used for food, but not if they have to do this type of act, and I would always like each country to make laws against this because there is no sense in life having two animals to fight to death, I don't know what it feels like, I don't I know how you can feel some pleasure when you see it, but they should be prohibited, I don't see this as martial arts or any sport, I only see it as a macabre act where some make their bets to win money, which is not good.


Yes, I think that you cannot compare eating an animal, which is a question of humans actually having to eat to survive even if it is plants / vegies these are also living things. Now, using animals for amusement is not ideal, but killing them for your amusement or to make money out of them is plainly immoral from any angle, even if it is cultura.
842  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 06, 2023, 04:51:37 PM
I have the best one, although its from totally another forum, and another time, and another war, and its about little girls:

"Eowunyth said:

illmyrin said:
A soldier identified as Aviv from the Givati Brigade, one of Israel's elite combat units, reportedly described to the military cadets his inner conflict over obeying orders to use indiscriminate firepower while clearing out an eight-story apartment building. "We were supposed to ... burst through the lower door, start shooting inside and then ... I call this murder... in effect, we were supposed to go up floor by floor, and any person we identified, we were supposed to shoot. I initially asked myself: Where is the logic in this?"


Wow he is an idiot. We do the something in Iraq but only after certain things have been meet. We surround the building, call everyone out and give everyone inside about 20 mins to clear out. We have a little girl clear the house with a video camera so we can watch her from outside. Anyone left inside after both us calling them out from outside and the little girl (or any child) having tried to talk them out is declare hostile and shot. This is done to protect us from suicide bombers. I suspect that this guy really doesn't know what is going on and that the orders came done for the similar reasons."


Evil Russians deprieve little girls having fun in combat zone and deport them to Russia. Everyone should condemn that

Intercepted phone call between Russian soldier and his girlfriend from spring 2022:

Sergey: "They told us that, where we're going, there's a lot of civilians walking around. And they gave us the order to kill everyone we see,"

Girlfriend: "Why the fuck?"

Sergey: "Because they might give away our positions. ... That's what we're fucking going to do, it seems. Kill any civilian that walks by and drag them into the forest. ... I've already become a murderer. that's why I don't want to kill any more people, especially ones I will have to look in the eyes."



Ah, famous fake phone calls...CIA really prepared well for this war

So we have to give credibility to your story - which also tries to justify the kidnaping of Ukrainian children - but anything that does not fit your narrative is a CIA made? Or if some news are not to your liking is a psy-op to hide the great Putler plan for global domination harmony and peace?

An accusation of fake is not really an argument, but your are free to doubt - it may be even necessary for your mental health to not believe this.
843  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 05, 2023, 05:55:28 PM
Their delegation got rejected (and flee in panic):


https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1698874142957752322

Fresh Russian joke. Grin
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Putin calls Sunnak:
- Rishi, how many Challengers did you deliver to Ukraine last week?
-14, Vladimir Vladimirovich
- Hmm, strange, so another one is riding somewhere.

Oh, I think they got the conversation wrongly translated:

Putin: Hi Rishi, how many tanks did you send to Ukraine in total?
Rishi: 24 in total
Putin: Mmm strange, reports from my most loyal generals indicate we have destroyed 20 with a "precision strike", 10 more with drones, 85 with artillery fire and another 100 just throwing rocks at them. I have the suspicion that the figures from the drone operators may be inflated.
844  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rupert Murdoch & Fox News lied about January 6th on: September 05, 2023, 02:12:40 PM
What is a lie? It's an untruth. Things that people believe are not always the truth, no matter what they say. If Murdock believed something, and now believes the opposite, when was he lying? Was he telling the untruth when he said what he believed before, or is he telling the untruth by what he believes now?
...

dude... just leave it. We all know what is a lie and they themselves have admitted that they lied and lied knowingly. He spoke with a number of people clearly stating that he did not believe shit of what he was saying, other people in the outlet did not believe it yet there he was saying whatever make the audience happy.

This is not "relative" and you do not have to "think about it", everyone in here know what is a lie since they are 6 years old and this is a big public one.

https://apnews.com/article/tucker-carlson-fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trump-5d6aed4bc7eb1f7a01702ebea86f37a1

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Following Trump’s loss in November 2020, Murdoch despaired of the president’s behavior.

“The real danger is what he might do as president,” Murdoch wrote in an email to a friend that month. “Apparently not sleeping and bouncing off walls! Don’t know about Melania, but kids no help.”

But Murdoch told his network’s officials that he also didn’t want to “antagonize” Trump: “He had a very large following, and they were probably mostly viewers of Fox, so it would have been stupid,” Murdoch said in a deposition in the Dominion case.

In separate questioning in the case, Murdoch acknowledged that he believed the 2020 presidential election “ was not stolen.”

On social media recently, Trump was critical of Fox when other court papers released in the Dominion case made clear that a number of the network’s executives and personalities privately believed the election fraud claims were bunk.

https://apnews.com/article/tucker-carlson-fox-news-murdoch-capitol-attack-96c305cf4046aaf373130876940fd06e




845  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 05, 2023, 01:51:29 PM

Oh, and here are the long awaited peace talk negotiation team from Ukraine images that so many Ruzzians wanted to see. The meeting will take place somewhere in the occupied territories.



Their delegation got rejected (and flee in panic):


https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1698874142957752322

Sure, if you say so. In theory, according to all those post Ukraine would not have any equipment that could be destroyed... everything is "pre-destroyed" or "flee in panic" when they see the "precision posting strikes". It is only for unknown causes that Ruzzia calls more and more troops to the front and the map of Ruzzia shrinks and shrinks...

Speaking of which, why not travelling to Robotyne or Verbobe? I have heard that the weather is super nice there. It is better to go now, because tomorrow the Ruzzian passport may not be accepted any longer.

Oh, and do not go by train, it may burn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaGdKZ9AZpk
846  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 05, 2023, 10:42:12 AM

1. Ukrainians fight for a variety of reasons. These include patriotism, money, their land, their families, their freedom and many other as good or as bad.
2. US is unlikely to send soldiers to Ukraine but certainly would not ever send conscripts. You are spreading fake information and trying to scare people - I guess some of them are stupid enough to believe such a thing.
3. Considering Germany after WW II is precisely why Ruzzia needs to be stopped here and now, to avoid them spreading their influence over half of Europe. Cold war was extremely costly, only a fool would want to repeat it. The cheap and smart alternative is to drive Ruzzia back to their borders while it demilitarises and destroys its economy itself in the way so that the do not come back for more.

And, again providing biased information. Czechoslovakia is not "gone" it is two states Czechia and Slovakia, which by the way have very good industrial bases, an educated population and growing economies in the context of the European Union. You know why? Because they are free from Ruzzia stealing from them and governing from Moscow - does this ring a bell to you???


Czechia also became center of EU porno industry, and I doubt girls on legalporno are doing what they're doing out of their free will...
so "democracy" brought a lot of bad shit there
I won't even go into what can be bought out of Ukraine on Dark Web and demand is mostly from Benelux countries and UK


If you want to be serious just google Russian Porn. The only difference with Communism is that the armpits are now shaved.

Corruption on the former Soviet satellites was endemic, to the point of having to wait 10 years to get a landline or a car... unless you had some "lubricant". Living conditions were egalitarian that is true - shit for all, dachas for a few.

Oh, and here are the long awaited peace talk negotiation team from Ukraine images that so many Ruzzians wanted to see. The meeting will take place somewhere in the occupied territories.

847  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cockfighting? on: September 04, 2023, 06:36:45 PM
I am not fond of cockfighting but I see people who are madly in love with this kind of game.  They even have a farm for the fighting rooster and they take care of them way more than his family.  They will get their roosters checked if something goes wrong while neglecting his family's health.  I do not know what comes to the mind of these people since they treasure their fighting cocks way more than themselves and their families.

This can happen because the love for the fighting cocks is not more than the love for the family. However, because taking care of chickens is their job and they always have a reliable rooster to compete in cockfights and they also have fighting cocks for sale. so they pay so much attention to their pet chickens, because they can make money from there and that money is to meet their needs and that of their family. So we cannot say completely that those who like cockfighting tend not to care about their families.

First of all, This is gambling and wasting money for the rooster maintenance for preparation to fight is really a careless acts since you don’t know if the rooster will win when they put on the match.

Many locals in our area usually over spend on rooster petting since it requires tons of vitamins and special pellet to make the rooster stronger. Typically, most of the owner spend out of budget that leaves their family suffer. I will understand if the expenses is for the rooster sales but this is gambling which makes tem really careless because it’s not a source of income.
I don't think that's a problem. Indeed, the problem of caring for fighting cocks is quite expensive, because you have to buy vitamins, feed and so on. However, this is also comparable to the price of the chicken when it is about to be sold, especially when the chicken that is going to be sold has won several matches, so the price offered to buy the chicken is really fantastic. And this is a business.

Indeed there are some people who are more concerned with their pet chickens than their families. But we also cannot condemn everyone who does cockfighting like that.


See cockfighting can be as addictive as any other gambling or sportbetting hobby, but there is an important difference which separates cockfighting from those other activities, the owner of the rooster has some power over the outcome of the fight and so, over the chances of winning, so it is logical they take care of their animals as much as they do, because that can be the difference between winning an important amount of money or not.
I agree with this, maybe some people think it is a waste of time just to take care of roosters. However, for people who like cockfighting, they think that the fighting cock they own is very important and a valuable asset. Because they can get money from raising their fighting cocks and through the bets they make in cockfighting.

Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
848  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gender in Gambling [differences between Women and Men in Gambling] on: September 04, 2023, 06:15:48 PM
it makes sense, but it also depends on the character and life situation of the gambler. I mean, a female gambler who really has quite a lot of money with a wasteful character can play at the casino by spending quite a lot of money for their enjoyment.
Maybe the thing to consider is when women gamble but their financial conditions are not that good. maybe they can better control their spending at the casino.
I agree with what you said. this can be influenced by the character and life situations of gambling. When someone's life is extravagant, then when they enter into gambling it will be the same. And I see that most women, they always limit their spending on gambling. which is different from men, I often find someone who goes to a casino by car/motorcycle and goes home on foot, because their vehicle is used up to gamble.

Is harassment still a thing on physical casino because there’s no such thing on my country physical.
Indeed, these incidents still often occur, especially in illegal casino venues because security is not guaranteed, which is different from legal casino venues where they pay great attention to the safety and comfort of visitors. And we need to know that casinos not only provide a place to gamble, but they also provide alcohol, so it is not uncommon for us to encounter people who lose control of themselves and do heinous things, namely harassment.

It happens anywhere that men are not educated in respect. I have lived in quite a few places and the status of women and what men are thought to think about them is what marks the difference, not if the venue is legal or illegal. That is something that should never be acceptable, but everyday I see that some cultures are still in the Middle Ages on that regard.
849  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 04, 2023, 04:30:59 PM
What happened?

Nazis got unexpected help from USA and UK?
Our Ukrainian friend prefers not to remember that in April 2022, negotiations between Ukraine and Russia were already at the final stage, until Boris Johnson flew from London to Kiev on an unannounced urgent visit and ordered Zelensky to curtail negotiations and fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Nope, I do recall the UK supporting Ukraine in whatever Ukraine would decide. The UK cannot force Ukraine into a war simply because there is not leverage to do so even in the case that this would be in UKs interest.

Ukraine is not fighting anything like a "desperate war to the last Ukrainian", they are fighting a war that is clearly possible to win to the point in which Ruzzia will think twice before trying another land-grabbing in a few years. Next time, whoever is in power will know what is the cost of attacking the neighbour and very particularly, how trustable are their sources of information when they told the old Putler dude that Ukraine would not resist and that Europe would not respond (that was an epic blunder).

Of course it's not a "desperate war to the last Ukrainian." They're volunteering for the benefit of the necessity of depopulation, because out of love they know that the whole world is suffering from over-population. Lol.

I don't think that Biden will be able to force a draft on Americans. And the Nato countries don't like the idea at all. This means that outside of a few strays that go to fight for Ukraine, all Russia has to do is keep on killing Ukraine soldiers. The problem for Russia is, when all the Ukrainians are dead, there won't be anybody left to surrender.

Consider Dresden in Germany in WW2. They thought they were safe, being rather far from Berlin, and near the Czechoslovakian border. But they got bombed right off the map, and now Czechoslovakia is even gone.

Cool

1. Ukrainians fight for a variety of reasons. These include patriotism, money, their land, their families, their freedom and many other as good or as bad.
2. US is unlikely to send soldiers to Ukraine but certainly would not ever send conscripts. You are spreading fake information and trying to scare people - I guess some of them are stupid enough to believe such a thing.
3. Considering Germany after WW II is precisely why Ruzzia needs to be stopped here and now, to avoid them spreading their influence over half of Europe. Cold war was extremely costly, only a fool would want to repeat it. The cheap and smart alternative is to drive Ruzzia back to their borders while it demilitarises and destroys its economy itself in the way so that the do not come back for more.

And, again providing biased information. Czechoslovakia is not "gone" it is two states Czechia and Slovakia, which by the way have very good industrial bases, an educated population and growing economies in the context of the European Union. You know why? Because they are free from Ruzzia stealing from them and governing from Moscow - does this ring a bell to you???
850  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 03, 2023, 08:02:53 PM
What happened?

Nazis got unexpected help from USA and UK?
Our Ukrainian friend prefers not to remember that in April 2022, negotiations between Ukraine and Russia were already at the final stage, until Boris Johnson flew from London to Kiev on an unannounced urgent visit and ordered Zelensky to curtail negotiations and fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Nope, I do recall the UK supporting Ukraine in whatever Ukraine would decide. The UK cannot force Ukraine into a war simply because there is not leverage to do so even in the case that this would be in UKs interest.

Ukraine is not fighting anything like a "desperate war to the last Ukrainian", they are fighting a war that is clearly possible to win to the point in which Ruzzia will think twice before trying another land-grabbing in a few years. Next time, whoever is in power will know what is the cost of attacking the neighbour and very particularly, how trustable are their sources of information when they told the old Putler dude that Ukraine would not resist and that Europe would not respond (that was an epic blunder).
851  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump turns himself in at Fulton County Jail on: September 03, 2023, 08:49:50 AM
I see youre still getting  your news from the same sources you used in early 2022.
News from the future comes to me in a probabilistic form, so sometimes they are not accurate if opposing volitional acts actively interfere in the natural course of time. And the news about the appointment in August of a special prosecutor to investigate the old case of Biden’s son and the Burizma company, because of which Poroshenko was forced to fire prosecutor Shokin, is completely from the present time, so there can be no inaccuracies here. As far as I know, a special prosecutor in the United States is a person with special powers so that those with whose interests it conflicts cannot influence the investigation of a case. And he is now investigating all the corrupt connections of the Biden family since the early 2010s. But it's okay, it seems that you can become the President of the United States even while in prison, so Biden still has a chance for a second term.

That is good to know. So "accusations against Trump" are just likely, or one could even think probabilistically 5% right, given that you do not provide anything but two line from you, a well known Kremlin troll.

You know what this proves to me? The great interest that Ruzzia has in a Trump victory, as probably the only way of getting some benefit from this fiasco war. If Trump is your last hope, it speaks very loud about the situation.
852  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump turns himself in at Fulton County Jail on: September 02, 2023, 08:46:46 PM
That mugshot of his is classic. Based on the article, 13 felony counts were charged against him. In our country, the Philippines, this isn't something new. There have been ex-presidents that have been detained due to their past administration but yeah, this isn't about our country.
Anyway, based on what I've searched about Trump's case. A felony charge could go behind bars for a year so x13 with that, 13 years? Is that right? But with bail, anything is possible. I'm just confused a website says as per google said it's not baliable, but some says it is.

Yes. It will be really funny if Trump is found guilty and is elected at the same time (2024). His guilt won't stop him from being president. It can't.
Yeah. He's got plans to run again next year and many are saying that this could be a tactic from his opponents (whoever they are) to discourage people from voting for him. But AFAIK, an elected official has got immunity from this type of case, right?

It would be an interference in government. Maybe White House arrest, and out for work to the Capitol on the Huber laws.

Cool
If that's possible through that law, yeah, we'll see on 2024.

No he has not immunity of any type. He cannot pardon himself for the offences that he is indicted for and some of these include sedition an treason against the US which, by the 14th amendment will prevent him from even running from presidency. The Republican Party is about to face a choice: Go Trump and loose with Trump or make a change and have better chances with someone else.

For me, there would be no doubt on a rational choice, but as of today it seems that the Reps are sequestered by Trump.
853  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another Coup on: September 02, 2023, 08:40:15 PM
There is no way to progress under a junta. Time after time it has been proven that the generals and dictators in Africa are concerned with keeping power, channelling the income from natural resources and foreign aid into their bank accounts in Switzerland, Barbados, or whatever haven they have chosen. Progress can only be achieved when people have a say in government.

There seems to be a continuous flow of posts and media justifying and even supporting dictatorships that cannot be just by chance. There are many bots and trolls sending biased messages confusing progress with dictatorships which is actually proven wrong by history.
854  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 02, 2023, 12:01:34 AM
And now there is big drone attack onnPskov airport, there is reports about 4 damaged Il-76 transport planes
https://t.me/shot_shot/56299
Interesting part that Pskov isn't somehwere close to Ukraine, but nearby to Russian border with Latvia and Estonia.

Z-tards noticed that and started making shit up about NATO attacking them:

However, there is a nuance - the Baltic countries are much closer. And these countries are part of NATO. Have you really decided to be so bold?

Can't wait for our resident kremlinists to parse that one out.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-military-repelling-drone-attack-pskov-four-planes-damaged-officials-2023-08-29/

This is a very peculiar attack, firstly because it occurs far from the front, second because it has to be done from either inside Ruzzia or from the nearby border (I cannot discard that operatives could use NATO territory to launch the attack to be honest).

However, what I find more interesting is the target, the ILUs - just the transport version. I can only guess that is an economic hit of around $50 million per unit for a total of 200 million using low-tech drones?. Ruzzia has around 100 of these, it is not really scarce, but may be difficult to replace under sanctions.

855  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Trump be indicted ? on: September 01, 2023, 10:01:58 AM
...


I really don't like being a copycat, but a lot of what I am doing is just copying you... in the opposite direction, of course.

Part of the difference is that I have a lot of website evidence, and other. If you could find some for your opinions, you might have some evidence.

Cool

 You are much worse than a copycat - do not even try to compare yourself to me (or, for that matter, anyone here with a minimal critical thinking ... or someone without brain damage in general).

Let's see what this proud American BA is linking:

naturalnews.com, part of "Consumer Wellness Center", part of "Terra Christa Communications":
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Company Type Foreign Nonprofit Corporation

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_hi/14405F2

Yep... looks like this defender of America links like 50% of the time to a foreign owned website - non-profit for education, religion and similar purposes.

Now on to Trump:

Even after Fox had to admit and pay for lying about the elections, even after several judges dismissed the wild claims of fraud, even after people actually Republicans endorsed by Trump said there is no fraud, you keep spreading disinformation in the purest Kremlin style.

FRAUD CLAIMS ARE LIES

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud

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Rupert Murdoch says Fox stars 'endorsed' lies about 2020. He chose not to stop them

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The last-minute deal came as a surprise to those who were looking forward to a blockbuster courtroom drama, but the bigger shock might be that Fox didn’t settle earlier. Given that the judge had already gone into caps-lock mode when he ruled in March that it “is CRYSTAL clear that none of the statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/13/trumps-election-fraud-claims-were-false-here-are-his-advisers-who-said-so-00039346

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A pattern emerged during Monday’s hearing of the Jan. 6 select committee. Aides of former President Donald Trump repeatedly told him the election was over or nearly impossible to overturn. He had lost.

In numerous video recordings, they admitted they found Trump’s fraud claims untrue — and that he did indeed lose the 2020 election to Joe Biden.

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The committee chair, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), said the investigation would show how “Donald Trump lost an election and knew he lost an election and, as a result of his loss, decided to wage an attack on our democracy.”

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The former Justice Department official went through claim after claim of election fraud with Trump, he told the committee. He told Trump, “much of the info you’re getting is false.”

“I tried to, again, put this in perspective and try to put it in very clear terms to the president. I said something to the effect of, ‘Sir, we’ve done dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews. The major allegations are not supported by the evidence developed. We’ve looked in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada,’” Donoghue said in a recorded interview shared by the committee. “‘We’re doing our job. Much of the info you’re getting is false.’”

But you have as many as you want:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-false-claims-debunked-2020-election-jan-6-riot-2022-01-06/

Jokingly, if so many people were actually involved in electoral fraud, it would probably not be necessary, they would be already a majority.


TRUMPS CONVERSATION TRANSCRIPT:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

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Raffensperger: Well Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen and they were surprised.

But they — I guess there was a person Mr. Braynard who came to these meetings and presented data and he said that there was dead people, I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. So that’s wrong. There were two.

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Raffensperger: Mr. President, they did not put that. We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.

Trump: Where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where was everybody? Where were the Republicans? Where were the security guards? Where were the people that were there just a little while before when everyone ran out of the room. How come we had no security in the room? Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why do they run there and just open the skirt and rip out the votes? I mean, Brad. And they were sitting there, I think for five hours or something like that, the votes. But they just all happened to run back and go, you know, Brad…

Raffensperger: Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSB.

Trump: I don’t care about the link. I don’t need it. Brad, I have a much better link

He has a "better link".

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Germany: We had our — this is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them as well as FBI agents.

Trump: Well, there’s no way they could — then they’re incompetent. They’re either dishonest or incompetent, okay?

If I am not right is because someone else is incompetent.

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Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, “Ah, to hell with it I’ll move back.” You know, it doesn’t sound like a very normal … you mean, they moved out, and what, they missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? It’s crazy.

Germany: This is they moved back in years ago

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Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.

Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?

Germany: No.

Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?

Germany: I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President.

And once it is clear that none of Trump's allegations are going to ever fly in a court (as they did not) we go into bully territory:

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Trump: Because you guys are so wrong. And you treated this. You treated the population of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who was down at 21, he was down 21 points. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him and he got elected, but I will tell you, he is a disaster.

And he knows, I can’t imagine that people are so angry in Georgia, I can’t imagine he’s ever getting elected again I’ll tell you that much right now. But why wouldn’t you want to find the right answer, Brad, instead of keep saying that the numbers are right? Cause those numbers are so wrong?

In the context of a conversation about vote counting, Trump starts speaking about being elected again, ending political careers and endorsing candidates. And then:

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Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have people that submit information and we have our people that submit information. And then it comes before the court and the court then has to make a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.

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And why wouldn’t you want to say, hey, if in fact, President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident alone without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots

So easy... you just say "we were wrong", Trump is president, you get endorsed and re-elected and that's it. This is the real danger that "America" faces.

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And because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And therefore I think that it is really important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers.

And you get re-elected... simple uh? You just have to ignore the law, just like Trump does.


Now BA, go giving "link proofs" as you call your clickbaits - I am sure you are making lots of traffic to your sites using this forum.












856  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Trump be indicted ? on: August 31, 2023, 10:04:50 PM
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Nice.. nice... an answer by the manual...


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Biden's are way worse.
, which implicitly means Trump did bad stuff - so you are giving credit to all that "hearsay" yourself. See? That is the problem of defending by saying "the other guy is worse" - it means that you are no good yourself.
Trumps biggest wrong when president, was not recognizing how crooked the Deep State really was. If he had recognized it, he would have been able to take measures to stop them from stealing the vote and the presidency.



2. MAGA is a slogan for simple minds. There is not philosophy behind... it is whatever Trump says, even if when it contradicts something he said before.
It is as I said before. Somebody from another country may not want America to be great. Russia probably doesn't like the idea of America being great. But common, law abiding, God-fearing Americans certainly do, simply because America is their country.

Don't you have any patriotism for your country? Or don't you have a country, so you are simply angry with everyone?



3. Again, is not about weighting what "he did good" vs "the crimes he committed". Justice is an independent power in a democracy, so the fact that Trump is "liked" is irrelevant to him getting behind bars if (I would say when) proven guilty. It does not work by balancing, it works by owning your acts and playing within the legal rules.
Many people are speculating on what the courts will decide. Nobody condemns you for having your non-American opinion.

However, you don't know about the American government. The Democracy part is the second part. The higher part is the Republic, that doesn't work like a Democracy. Personally, I don't think Trump knows how to use it. But maybe he does. I'll show it to you right now.

If in any charge, Trump requires anybody to get on the stand and show the injury Trump did to him, there isn't anybody. Trump harmed nobody. No case.



4. You are very confused about what an US president can and cannot do. The "presidential pardon" does not work in a number of cases he is being judged for and if guilty of trying to subvert the system he would not even be able to run for president. You need to read the US constitution and listen to some legal experts on this matter.
No, it is you who don't know US law.

The indictments are about something that Trump supposedly did while still in office. Now that he is out of office, and way past the statute of limitations, Trump should be tried in a court in his home state.

It's kinda like if somebody in the US wanted to indict you. He would have to go to your country, and operate through your country's legal channels. The indictments in Georgia are a sham. There isn't anything legal about them.



On regards to your comment of "if you are not from the US then you are an enemy of America" is the same as what you say: if you do not think like I do you are an enemy. (again, I guess you mean the US, America is a continent - or two in some books). Is always the same... the words of a wannabe dictator.

That is kinda true. People from different countries often don't think alike. So, since you stated the obvious, and then you tried to use semantics on the word 'America', you are showing us all that you are simply a foreigner trying to play games with people in a country not your own.

Cool

The fact that you consider that your opinion is the only valid "American" (meaning US, which is not America) does not make it so. The fact that you try to hide Trump's very likely criminal acts behind a very poorly constructed attack on me or who I am, or what I represent means that you are not better than a Taliban. You lack culture, reasoning and are the perfect example of why the US is in danger.

You do not even understand the concepts behind the US constitution and what it really means the US democracy - created by illustrious men whose main achievement was precisely to consider different viewpoints, creating guarantees of freedom for all and a system that can be protected from self-proclaimed leaders that think the they simply can be above the law of the country.

Because that is all the problem here - Trump and his court of singers thinking that he can be above the law. The time to prove it wrong has arrived no matter how much you insult and spread shit to cover up.

857  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Trump be indicted ? on: August 30, 2023, 11:41:41 PM
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In America, standard law is "innocent until proven guilty." The law even says that an agreement CANNOT be made by the defendant to state that he is guilty when he is not. So, there you are with the hard facts. They are hard for you, because you can't get around them.

If you have solid proof that Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, take him to court on it. If you don't, it's just another bunch of hearsay like they are throwing at him in these sham trials.

Cool

Some more facts:

Trump lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden.

Trump University was a scam.

The Trump Foundation was shut down over fraud.

Trump Organization was convicted on felony criminal fraud charges by a jury.

Trump was held liable for sexual assault by a jury.

Trump was impeached twice.

Trumps personal attorney during 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trumps national security advisor is a convicted felon.

The chair of Trumps 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trump has been indicted on almost 100 felony charges by four different grand jurys.

In 2016 Trump campaigned on locking his political opponent up. His supporters loved it.


So, there you are with the hard facts.



Besides the fact that not all of your list, above, is accurate or accurately said, everybody has skeletons in their closet. Biden's are way worse.

So, you prove that this is an election thing by picking on Trump without giving adequate bigger time to Biden.


And for you personally, this proves that you are anti-American, because you fight against the idea of Make America Great Again.


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Way worse, like mine are bad but his are even worse? Like Trump is guilty of trying a coup-d'etat, threating officials, stealing, evading, but Biden has other stuff that is worse?

Anti-American because does not support your ideas. so there is only one America (US not really America), there is only one way of making it great and it is only MY way so all the rest are just not American enough? Can you not see anything wrong in any of this?


The only way you can know this is if you were right there with Trump when he was doing what he was doing. In other words, you are spreading hearsay and rumors. There has been no verdict in court.

Sure there are a bunch of people who are like you... trying to pick on what looks like bad things that Trump might have done. But there are millions in the polls who would vote for Trump because they can see the good things he does.

What is MAGA? MAGA IS Make America Great Again. MAGA is one of the things Trump did half of this in his first term. Biden not only tore down the MAGA Trump did, but he made it far, far worse.

You are in another country, right? You are not an American, right? No wonder you are talking like you do. You just happen to be an enemy of the US... as are some of the other people in this forum who are against Trump.

Cool

Nice.. nice... an answer by the manual...


1- You said
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Biden's are way worse.
, which implicitly means Trump did bad stuff - so you are giving credit to all that "hearsay" yourself. See? That is the problem of defending by saying "the other guy is worse" - it means that you are no good yourself.

2. MAGA is a slogan for simple minds. There is not philosophy behind... it is whatever Trump says, even if when it contradicts something he said before.

3. Again, is not about weighting what "he did good" vs "the crimes he committed". Justice is an independent power in a democracy, so the fact that Trump is "liked" is irrelevant to him getting behind bars if (I would say when) proven guilty. It does not work by balancing, it works by owning your acts and playing within the legal rules.

4. You are very confused about what an US president can and cannot do. The "presidential pardon" does not work in a number of cases he is being judged for and if guilty of trying to subvert the system he would not even be able to run for president. You need to read the US constitution and listen to some legal experts on this matter.

On regards to your comment of "if you are not from the US then you are an enemy of America" is the same as what you say: if you do not think like I do you are an enemy. (again, I guess you mean the US, America is a continent - or two in some books). Is always the same... the words of a wannabe dictator.
858  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Trump be indicted ? on: August 30, 2023, 08:16:12 PM
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In America, standard law is "innocent until proven guilty." The law even says that an agreement CANNOT be made by the defendant to state that he is guilty when he is not. So, there you are with the hard facts. They are hard for you, because you can't get around them.

If you have solid proof that Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, take him to court on it. If you don't, it's just another bunch of hearsay like they are throwing at him in these sham trials.

Cool

Some more facts:

Trump lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden.

Trump University was a scam.

The Trump Foundation was shut down over fraud.

Trump Organization was convicted on felony criminal fraud charges by a jury.

Trump was held liable for sexual assault by a jury.

Trump was impeached twice.

Trumps personal attorney during 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trumps national security advisor is a convicted felon.

The chair of Trumps 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trump has been indicted on almost 100 felony charges by four different grand jurys.

In 2016 Trump campaigned on locking his political opponent up. His supporters loved it.


So, there you are with the hard facts.



Besides the fact that not all of your list, above, is accurate or accurately said, everybody has skeletons in their closet. Biden's are way worse.

So, you prove that this is an election thing by picking on Trump without giving adequate bigger time to Biden.


And for you personally, this proves that you are anti-American, because you fight against the idea of Make America Great Again.


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Way worse, like mine are bad but his are even worse? Like Trump is guilty of trying a coup-d'etat, threating officials, stealing, evading, but Biden has other stuff that is worse?

Anti-American because does not support your ideas. so there is only one America (US not really America), there is only one way of making it great and it is only MY way so all the rest are just not American enough? Can you not see anything wrong in any of this?




859  Economy / Gambling / Re: Concept of Halal Casino on: August 30, 2023, 08:10:10 PM
Ridiculous, gambling is obviously haram, even a conventional bank which only give interest rate from their operational income are considered as haram too. The only way gambling is halal in Islam is you're not put anything to bet, but you're play the game or make a guess with your opponent. But we've discuss it before where gambling without risking anything isn't a gambling.
Maybe in your jurisdiction only or in your religion, but to the most part, it was Halal or legal. The main aim of gambling is only to provide a unique entertainment experience and the real money (bets) placed by us can only be considered as service fee. There is nothing wrong with that. Also a gambling company can comply to the law or the government by paying a tax and follow their other orders like implementing a KYC. It's just that many people losses their control and starts to gamble inappropriately.

This why some thinks that gambling is bad and should be avoided at all cost. Banks on the other hand are I think also not Haram. Their main aim is for storing money only, and not a form of investment. No wonder why the returns given by them are only small but it's better than nothing. At least they are still generous to give something.

Gambling is seen as a no-no in most religions, as it can be seen as an ungodly entertainment, tempting the gods and for Monotheistic religions, well... it is just too much fun and fun takes you apart from fear including fear of death and fear of God so it is never going to be looked in a good light. However it has been rarely prohibited ever, so I guess not halal, not haram, a sin yes, but a minor one.
860  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cockfighting? on: August 30, 2023, 08:05:54 PM
^^ I think it's really hard to separate animal cruelty like cockfighting to other gambling. I mean there are countries that really like cockfighting and this become part of their culture and tradition. Yeah, it's cruel, but what can we do if it is being practice for thousands or even hundreds of years?

And as for the subject matter, I'm also not familiar with casino's offering this. So this is not possible to the OP, and I do not think that casinos are going to offer this cockfighting for many reasons. To be fair, I'm also from a country that grow up seeing cockfighting becoming a tradition and sports and used it to gamble.
You are right and I completely agree with you, there are indeed some cities where cockfighting is a major game and the citizens of such City loves betting on the game, but you will agree with me that this betting has remained on a local level, and to be sincere with you, I personally do not think there is any chance that we will ever have to bet on such games in an international level, because no international casino will ever want to list such games due to animal laws governing some jurisdictions or cities in several parts of the world..

So for cities where cockfighting is a thing for them, they can go ahead and enjoy the game, but for me personally though, I do not see or find any excitement in such games.

I am not sure I would be keen on betting to see animals fight, particularly cocks which tend to fight to death. Seems a bit of a sadistic play in my views. But, also, I know very little about how to choose the best animal and how to place a bet on-line for it. There are a million better options to play and bet, I would even argue that at least in boxing there are two people who know what they do and get money for it.
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