If I'm not mistaken, there was one article about the CEO of Visa declaring bitcoin a fraud or bubble or something to that effect. I can't remember correctly though.

Well, this is no surprising news. We all know that bankers really hates bitcoin and this declaration is another way of waging war against bitcoin. But why are you sad though? They are leading a smear campaigns against bitcoin and I'm sure that we can find others way to transact without Visa sponsored card.

Its not like the end of world for bitcoin. We all know that this will be forthcoming admit it or not. There are really feel threaten by crypto specially that its gaining ground once more. So be it, they started the war many years ago and I don't think can stop bitcoin though.

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Did the so called "Flippening" succeeded?

What made you think the "Rippening" would perform better?


And then what? If it doubled the current price in the next couple of days or weeks? Do you think its sustainable? Or are we going to see the coins being dump so that everyone is really taking profits and laughing because those who have bought it at top price are already trap inside and can get can't because they are going to suffer a lose. And just what others have said, its a centralized coins, just purely pump-and-dump coins for me.

Its better to take advantage of this kind of situation and not be delusional to think that it will just suddenly overtook bitcoin and stay there. Ethereum has tried before but it didn't succeeded as I have said, but lets give XRP a hand for trying though.

I totally agree that we need to be very optimistic, although we really hate seeing bitcoin going to a down trend specially that we all have been expecting that it will reach $20K at the end of the year, what a reversal. Although the last massive bullrun that we have seen is unprecedented so it only makes sense that a pullback will also occur.

I'm now looking at 2018 and forget this slump that we have been witnessing. I predict that this January, bitcoin will recovered once more, investors will flock to the ecosystem specially that the holidays is over and everyone is back on it tracks to invest on bitcoin and crypto for that matter.

Let's see how it goes though, it the price continues to go down, then we should welcome it with gladness because its the best time to buy bitcoin because the price is very cheap.

Well bear and bull are pulling at the opposite side of the spectrum. That's why we will see it jump to above $16K last 24 hours, people reacted, dumping their coins, now its $13K once more, this will be the trend up until the end of the year. I see around $14K will be the stable price for quite some time. And the market will tend to be a a bearish side.

But I don't think that it can go down to $8K, too much money already poured on the market that I can't seem to see any significant drop to that level. Just what I have mentioned, it will be a continues pulling from both side until such time that the bulls won and a massive run ensures specially in Q1 of next year.

As far as recovery, bitcoin always rebounded from all the bumps, it has showed already in the past, although from time to time we will see some correction, but what usually follows is a recovery phase. No need to question bitcoin's resiliency from all of this catastrophic crashed.

Yup, its inevitable. Correction needs to happen. Actually correction should have happened week ago but there's so much resistance at $16K that's why it didn't fall. However, yesterday the resistance was broken, causing the price to plummet to $13K-$14K. If you didn't cash out when the price is so high, then its better to hold at the current price.

On the other side, this is a huge opportunity to enter the picture once more. Good buying point. How many of you folks, saying that bitcoin price is too high for you? Well, the price is dropping this is your moment to shine. Don't wait till the price pulls back, this might now happen again.

And I'm not freaking out, I'm cool as a cucumber. Drinking my coffee and just having a nice look at the current situation. Specially with the amount of FUD that is going around. Sometimes I'm just having a laugh, and its good to start my day.

My best guess is that people just want to cash it out at this very moment. Holidays is just around the corner, so maybe we can attribute this current "crash" to it. I initially thought that bitcoin crash because investors are testing altcoins market, but altcoin is also crumbling. So I deduce that investors want to take profit at this occasions.


Your choice mate. Personally, I have sold mine (everything) when the price surpasses $19K. I already taken the profits, but I'm getting back once more. It's really a perfect time to buy and because it's like a bargain. I say let's give the crypto's a few days, crashes are temporary, we all know that bitcoin has the ability to comeback and even go further from its previous all-time-high.


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I think the FUD here are really targeting newcomers. For us, who have been here for so long are not affected by any negative news. Even at the height of China crisis, I didn't blink an eye and just hold on my bitcoin. But today, since the price is dropping at $14K, people panic, someone created FUD forcing newbies to make the hard decisions to sell or incurred lost.

I also sold mine at $19K, everything to be honest. Not because I panic but because I needed the money. But seeing the price today, I will definitely buy bitcoin back again and will HODL on it until such time that I some some emergency situations in my end.

And remember, you will always see people here creating FUD specially when the price is going down. The best thing is to is not to be affected by the negative news, but to keep calm and think of it long term.

And those cunt are pumping their coins, paying everyone to attack bitcoin, creating loads of FUD not only here in the forum as well as other social media as well. Their names written all over it. Mempool started to clogged once more coinciding with the pump and waiting for the right time to attack once again.

As far as OP questions, you can't do anything about it by to wait. You have nothing to blame but Jihan Wu and Roger Ver doing their thing here.

Edit: Looks like @bL4nkcode and @SFR10 has help you out. They have re-broadcast it but somehow you can't really do anything because its stuck. Just patience buddy and soon it will get it through. Hell, even myself has stuck transactions in the last 24 hours or so and I have to constantly check if it's been moving or at least get 1 confirmation.

Are you smoking or what? Bitcoin Cash? Just because the price is being pump right now does it mean that it will take over. But I agree that the issues of high tx fees and slow confirmations are now the biggest threat to its existence. However, bitcoin already gain the full trust of most investors. Just look at how whales are coming out of the closet, just check the news, you will heard a lot of them claiming that they have this X amount of bitcoins and predicting that the price will go $20K-$50K or even $1m in the future.

As long as investors willing to pour cash into the market, bitcoin will remain the king of cryptos. ETH comes to my mind that might possible replace bitcoin in the future because its really a better, technology wise, specially with the smart contracts that a lot of companies are looking to apply or even replace their existing system.

But it will take a lot of effort for any coins to really overtook bitcoin now, specially its now a store of wealth and financial institutions already embracing it with their bitcoin future contracts offering.

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With the surging number of EtherDelta's user based, there's no doubt that it contributed to the slowness that we are seeing lately. I don't think it your computer or your broadband network. The forum itself has already more than 1 millions, so just take a small percentage of that and imagine they are using EtherDelta at the same time. It will cause the website to react abnormal. And its not only EtherDelta, a lot of trading platform is also experiencing sort of issues related to being slow.


Yes, that's one advantage of EtherDelta, almost all altcoins and tokens are listed there. And its easy to navigate. Of course you need to learn how to make orders (buy/sell) but for a ordinary person, nothing there is hard to understand.


It's easy to understand how to trade as long as you have the basic understanding. However, if you are not that confident I advise you to learn and read more about trading. Don't do trading if you are unfamiliar because the chances of you loosing your money is very high because its risky.

I'm not puzzled at all. Was able to get out at the top price because I'm really expecting a price retreat days ago, that's why I excited and happy I made a good call. The main reason I get out because for a simply reason that it's not gonna be sustainable for long term. It's just a short burst fuel by lot of positive news but soon it will lay down. And after a really strong rally, most likely consolidation is taking place, but around $210-$250.


I agree, behind bitcoin and ethereum, litecoin should be there among the top. Again, people tend to forget about this coin, bitcoin upward trend trickled to the altcoins market and litecoin is one of the recipient but we are already seeing a pullback and correction. So for me, its not a good time to get it unless the pullback went to <$200.

Nobody can stop them from "cloning" a certain coin, lets say bitcoin. However, the clone coin even though not that expensive can't really take off if there are no miners and no investors to really jump start this clone coin.

Someone has really to promote this new coins, but how can you promote or at least gain transaction from community when it has no value to begin with? We would rather stay with the original coin, eventhough very expensive but has gained trust and confidence by a lot of people.

Look at Bitcoin Cash, similar to bitcoin and even improves it with a bigger block. However, the price is not even closer to bitcoin because the community does not support it and only a few has really used it as designed. It's merely another pump-and-dump coin. Little demand means its not gonna be sustainable at least.

Disagree, any nation today can run without crypto currencies. They still have the old traditional fiat and their local currencies to help them and their citizens. So its possible for a nation to exist without crypto's.

Banks are threaten indeed call it hard competition. But banks will remain with us and crypto will not make them obsolete. They could co-exist in the ecosystem, and the one who will get all the benefits? US, the people.

As far as Russia, I don't see any reason for them to embrace or even regulate bitcoin or crypto. Just like China, they are afraid that when their citizens all went to crypto it will have a effect on their economy. I agree it does, but in a very positive way. Besides, we all know that Russia and China wants total control of their citizens. Bitcoin is decentralized, how can they manage something they can't get even hold? Of course they can do surveillance of sort but it will take a lot of effort on government side to track everyone on blockchain.

It could be indecision or hesitation on most of the traders right now. But bitcoin has been on a resistance level for quite sometime now that we are almost on a deadlock. So its either a make or break scenario. CME hasn't began yet, so for me its critical after December 18, when they began offering its bitcoin future contracts.

If the markets decides to go to another bull run this $20K is likely to be cross, but if the effect of all these institutional investments firm coming to bitcoins becomes negative, then we are going to see reversals in the price.

But this kind of reversals is just temporary, a lot of investors specially the casuals are waiting in line and eager to enter again, if the price reversals is inviting to them ( which usually does ), expect them to come and go enter the ecosystem right away.

What coins are you referring to? Almost all of the coins right now are going to the moon. Please pick the top 1-5 coins and hold it long term if you really want to get to the moon.


Again, you forgot to mentioned what coins you invested, but I'm sure that you have made profits already because most of the top coins are already increasing by the folds at the moment.


Exactly, as much as emotions are the worst enemy of trader, I think being greedy should be considered as well. A well balance attack should include at least a good financial returns, no need to look and target like x500 or more. For me a x100 returns is already good. And as you explained, you will end up losing more if you became greedy because you can't stop and exit at the right moment. And when the coins crash, most likely instead of getting x100 returns, you will get less than than and regret sets in.

Congrats dude. Care to share your source about the big correction coming in bitcoin market? Anyways, looks like you have made huge profit so it doesn't really matter if there's news of a big correction or not. Although it looks like bitcoin hasn't have enough to really push for the next mental barrier of $20K.

As I would have it, Altcoins is better than bitcoin today. Look at all the positives they have getting. Lots of companies suddenly arouse their fascination with altcoins technology that they are now looking at it as alternatives to make solutions to their ever growing problems. Smart Contracts, Dapps are now the new buzzword in the IT world.

Certainly, it would be appropriate if we can get both bitcoins and altcoins. Bitcoin as a long term investments. While altcoins as your contingency if ever bitcoins will crash. At least diversify and always have plan b for better coverage and assurance.

I read somewhere that UBS if I'm not mistaken is really keen on using ETH based application so like in bitcoin, this positive news brough revitalizing force and renewed interest on ETH once more. The price is breaking all-time-high. One thing though I question is the sustainability of this coin. Comparable in around May-June this year, it went as high as too challenge bitcoin supremacy, however the hype just died down without anyone noticing it.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-surges-past-600-on-ubs-announcement-of-ethereum-based-initiative

For me this coin should be trading today above $1K with all this news coming around. But it prove me wrong in my prediction that it will not higher that $500 this month. It already surpasses $600 at the moment, so there's a opportunity to make here in the price would touch $1K next year. Let us see how everything pans out for Ethereum and solidify itself as the #2 cryptocurrency today.

If you are looking for bitcoin and crypto in this regard, then you are in the right community. You can go and play around in the forum. Read and look for answers here if you have doubts. You can't find any best source of crypto out there than this community.


Stakes is somewhat a reward system than is being offered in bounties or campaigns in alt sections. So its a based reward for joining and participating in a campaign. The more stakes you got, the better chances of you getting huge profit. As far as computation goes. I will give you a quote from someone so that you can better understand it.


That's basically how stakes are computed. Stakes given are also depends on your rank. So a Legendary/Hero member gets the most stakes. And sometimes Stakes computation can also be tied on how much a funds the project has raised. They have this so called soft and hard cap target. It they reached their target cap, I reckon that they will give their participants more shares in the bounties.