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1061  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 22, 2021, 05:35:40 PM
I bought more calls so naturally its get to the choppa time. what a joke
How about you buy some, hodl it some, and call it a month?
1062  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 22, 2021, 01:55:36 PM
I've listened to a lot of Robert Kiyosaki's podcasts where the subject of Bitcoin comes up.

So then he goes around still saying "No one every seems to give me a satisfactory answer to the question: 'Why can't I just create my own Bitcoin?' "

Because your name isn't Japanese enough.  Tongue
1063  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 21, 2021, 09:14:01 PM
Microsoft is now asking Xbox users about #Bitcoin BTC



https://twitter.com/documentingbtc/status/1373737622317699081?s=21

I'll go out on a limb here and proclaim that possible payment options for Xbox is not going to have a significant effect on my quality of life...but that's just me....

Right, but answers pushing towards M$-Xbox adoption could eventually have some marginal effect on these here getlemens' quality of life indeed.
1064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 21, 2021, 02:20:01 PM
Not sure why number going down.

I think in this case, it's going down because it didn't go up. Lots of "pricing in" of a stimulation bump that never materialized.

It might also be just weekend fuckery. Bring it down while liquidity on exchanges is low, before you buy moar. The buy pressure is all there - it's just not visible on exchanges because most of it is not from retail.
1065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 20, 2021, 08:53:34 PM
Merited also for using old.reddit  Cool
1066  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 20, 2021, 08:18:56 PM
Breaking 60k this weekend would be a semi-major event, given the temporary cooling off climate. I say: we wait until next week, padawans.
1067  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 20, 2021, 07:21:24 PM

-multisnips-

Coinbase Settles With CFTC for $6.5M Over Old Trading Practices



https://coindesk.com/coinbase-settles-with-cftc-for-6-5m-over-old-trading-practices

That is a good and recent link, even though the picture contains a 2019 date, the article is from yesterday (March 19).

Many of us have love hate relations with Coinbase and part of those love hate feelings seem to relate to some of the underlying shenanigans that were the basis of the CFTC investigation that resulted in the $6.5 million settlement.

Surely some of Coinbase's egregiousness was felt by members here. 

If they have their way with the IPO, the company will be valued around 100 billion dollars. 6.5 mil is just peanuts, "cost of doing business". At the hypothetical valuation of 100 billion, it's ~0.0065% of the projected market cap. That's 6.5 dollars each 10k. Pretty cheap, I'd say.

There will be no justice until fines for companies are measured as a fraction of total value or yearly income.
1068  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 20, 2021, 02:08:19 PM
Unfortunately, some people who know I have bitcoin seem not to care for my opsec and will happily discuss the fact that I hold btc with anyone they feel like.

Anyone else in the same boat?

You mean the boat that capsized, throwing all your coins at the bottom of the deep sea?
1069  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 20, 2021, 04:16:34 AM


My goodness, apparently wo bros are very enamored with bunny storyboards.
I'd better work on making my childhood fart stories into one...

I will gladly merit your fart-in-a-jar storyboard.
1070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 19, 2021, 09:08:10 PM
You know, I just realized I could buy a thousand dollar bill on Ebay. Son came by and looked over my shoulder:

"Hey Dad, what'cha looking at buying"
"Thousand dollar bill"
"How much does it cost?"
"About $3,000".

"I think you're getting shafted" says my son...

Yeah, he's a little bitcoiner too....



Ah, the pains of fungibility. If each dollar carried the buying value it had when it was "minted", it could be a legitimate trade.
1071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 19, 2021, 06:10:05 PM
I've had a really fun dream last night. I am not joking, here it is: I was in my very big yacht with some friends having a champaigne party. I was kissing some girl, when I remembered I haven't checked the price for a very long time - a year may be. I started connecting the laptop with some antenas and got online. Then I saw the news that Bitcoin recently had hit $1 000 000. I got very excited remembering that I had over 5 Bitcoins kept for that occasion. But... I completely forgot my key phrase. I knew that I had another complicated method to get access to my coins from the files on the laptop, but in the excitement I couldn't remember that either. Then I noticed a green ligt in my eyes which started running as a small dot over the deck. I realized that this is a laser aim of an armed USA drone. I looked up at the sky and I saw a missile heading towards my boat. I managed to run and jump in the water and after that the boat exploded. The water was on fire which started to spread above my head. I was swimming underwater keeping my breath until I escaped the fire. Then I began to doubt that this was not real but a dream. Of course in RL I have neither millions nor a yach nor a GF. But guess what was the only thing that seemed unrealistic in this whole story? That's right - I haven't checked the price for a year!!! That's impossible! Everything else is completely legit, it can happen! That's how I know that these boating accidents are true!!!  Wink

Sorry, really hope you don't mind, but your dream was quite inspirational:

-snip-




I'm sure it's possible to figure out some relaxation technique to help the rich bitcoiner remember the key phrase - or at least part of it. She's just got to try a little harder, before the Feds come and spoil the party. That would give the dream a happier ending.
1072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 08:19:39 PM
Meitu is becoming Asia's
@MicroStrategy
. The Chinese public listed firm has spent $50 million on purchasing #ETH and BTC.

Is the start of an institutional cycle led by Asia?
https://twitter.com/Cointelegraph/status/1372631393046499329?s=20


Butbut... China ban bitcoin....!?  Shocked
1073  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 07:13:16 PM
Bitcoin dead? For the 50000 time


 Grin Grin

The whales are milking the stimmy noobs a bit  Cheesy

It feels like a bit too early to wipe out the leveraged longs, but maybe whales like to keep ahead of things today.
1074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 01:59:02 PM
you: What year is it?
mad scientist that woke you up: oh, it's about a few thousand years since you died, does the year matter? gimme my 1 bitcoin, it's worth $100 billion today. Enough for me to buy a week's worth of bread. After you, I have a bunch of dead bitcoiners to wake up too, you're the 200th one, don't worry.

You: What a bleak future. No more than 21 million weeks' worth of bread on the planet! How many humans left?

That's actually a bright future, if you are assuming all currency or goods can only be bought with bitcoins. That means bitcoin took over all monetary systems already.

Yes, a wild financial assumption. It is unimportant to know how much it turns out to be when expressed in dollars. What matters is the total economic output of humanity as it relates to 21 million coins. Let's assume you can also buy things with dollars, or gold, or salt, or water. Let's assume the weeks' worth on bread on the planet are 21 billion instead - or 210. Do these assumptions change the picture much?
1075  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
Copyright law already covers this. NFTs are not only unnecessary, but not recognized by law. They bring nothing necessary that is missing to the table. And introduce new problems that don't exist.

Another solution looking for a problem that either doesn't exist, or is not really a problem.

(I'm gonna go out on a limb and just say it: young people are naive and stupid for believing in this NFT shitscam.)


I think NFTs could ease and lubricate the trade of original limited edition art - but only for the traders: people who invest in art for its transfer of value over time. The enjoyment of said art is totally out of the equation here, which sounds a little weird when speaking about art. Besides, the applicability of these tokens to mass market production such as digital music or desktop pictures seems dubious at least.

More useful if it comes to adoption for other physical/semi-physical assets: stocks and gold are prime examples, as I said. Wherever re-hypothecation can be a problem. The tech should be much more refined to allow the tracking of each "item" (be it a single stock ar a specific ingot) singularly and in batches in a mathematically clever way.

Interesting times ahead, gentlemen.
1076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
you: What year is it?
mad scientist that woke you up: oh, it's about a few thousand years since you died, does the year matter? gimme my 1 bitcoin, it's worth $100 billion today. Enough for me to buy a week's worth of bread. After you, I have a bunch of dead bitcoiners to wake up too, you're the 200th one, don't worry.

You: What a bleak future. No more than 21 million weeks' worth of bread on the planet! How many humans left?
1077  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 04:01:10 AM
False confirm.

Must avoid false confirmation:



How caring, to check how women dress (not men, oh dear, of course) before they do something they might regret. The poor young ladies risk a personal punitive lightning thunder or something even worse, such as the confirmation getting unconfirmed.
1078  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 02:48:43 AM
And get this:  NFTs are not in competition with Bitcoin!  Bitcoin is a currency; it is supposed to be fungible, and I defend Bitcoin’s fungibility.  Non-Fungible Tokens are, of course, not fungible.  They are not supposed to be a currency.  Why are some Bitcoiners getting bent out of shape about this?  Just because NFTs run on generalized smart-contract chains,0 which Bitcoin is not?

Assuming a 100% fungible bitcoin (which is still not the case - which I must concur is unfortunate enough), it is simple enough to add a level of non-fungibility, and as Elwar has pointed out several times, it has been done with colored coins. However, they came at a time when bitcoin still had to "prove" itself - so to say - to the normies, so the focus was elsewhere.

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NFTs apply cryptography for a new use case.  A very useful use case.1  They have created a new asset class that improves on the properties of similar, older asset classes, just as Bitcoin created a new kind of money that improves on the properties of older monies.

Indeed. I can see a possible bright future for NFTs - including colored bitcoins, which I won't even mention from now on - they perfectly match the definition, so are included in the discussion; indeed, they've been the first of all NFTs. These tokens can be used to create unforgeable, easy to verify titles of ownership. These titles would not be restricted to digital items. On the contrary, I see the digital use case as more remote and less interesting for the time being.

Personally, here are a few use cases I would love to see implemented.

- Stock certificates. Once, certificates were ubiquitous, and you didn't "own" a stock until you had the paper in your hands. Now you can't really "own" a stock. It's just an entry in a ledger, and the broker/custodian is the only entity that can actually do some things with the stock, such as lending it to a margin shorter. If stock certificates were digitized by NFTs, naked shorters would have a hard time, as auditing would be quick and easy. With NFTs based on a permissionless blockchain, an additional property of auditing would be: available for anyone to see.

- Gold. The problem here would be matching ingot and NFT at the source, of course. But the total amount of NFT (and therefore, of ingot) would be much easier to... again, audit. Bye bye, paper gold.

Of course, real estate etc. could also benefit from something similar, although re-hypothecation of RE is much less of a problem in practice.

I agree that the following points are moot, and mostly come from lack of understanding.

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  • “It’s a Ponzi.” ✔
  • “The scarcity is artificial.  Anyone can make perfect copies of it.” ✔
  • “Drug dealers will use it to launder money.” ✔
  • “Those fools will be burned when it is shut down by regulators (SEC, et al.).”2

With one exception: “The scarcity is artificial.  Anyone can make perfect copies of it.”

The scarcity of ownership is artificial, but it's as real as physical scarcity. There can only be one owner. So this point is moot/baseless too, BUT my objection pertains to those goods where ownership is not needed to be able to enjoy the good. As in, picture files, digital music or similar items. The issue here is enforcing DRM based on NFTs. This could be a thing, right, but then apart from the technical details, the creator, too, should be prevented from making additional copies ("reprints") of the creation. So you release, say, a tune as a NFT, and as a consequence no radio can legally broadcast it? Or can they? You sure shouldn't be allowed to release more "declassified" copies, or you are "inflating" the supply. Or I can use the song even if I don't "own" my copy's NFT? So you decide once and for all how many copies you are releasing? Shaky technical terrain. Shakier legal terrain. IANAL. Some legislation will be needed. No, not the SEC, that's right.
1079  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2021, 06:21:01 PM
Right vroom, I forgot the "going to zero" part. Silly me.
1080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Stimmy hitting the exchanges, or is it just wishful thinking?
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