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1481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2020, 03:19:32 PM

Now it feels like

Make good sex :-)

Hehe that's Dutch-English for makeup sex (goedmaak sex) Smiley
An international, truly universal classic!
1482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
Confess, Dude - you've been waiting for a sign of life to post that.
Have you used a stick to poke her???  Tongue
1483  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Im not stupid enough to type my details into any internet "have I been hacked" search engine.

But had no spam so far.

No need. You can download the leaked files and search yourself using a text editor. That's what I did.

Can't help feeling possessing such data is perhaps a little naughty.
Everyone and their dogs have it by now. How naughty can it be? Besides, it's what you make of it that matters IMO...

if you've purchased a Ledger before June 2020 (or ever, really), you are entitled to peek inside and check if your data is in there.

... as AlcoHoDL already pointed out. I concur.

I signed up to their mailing list, not sure with which email addr, so I am at least tangentially involved. I'm so glad I didn't order anything from such a shitty company.

Secure my ass.
1484  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2020, 09:26:36 PM
An auction usually "starts from". Out of 100 rooms for sale during the auction only 10 were sold. So in every category of cabin you could have purchased at the lowest price. We wanted the auction to catch any problems where someone wants two rooms right next to each other or in front of each other but someone else wants that room. Let the highest bidder have it.
I see your point and I do not doubt your honesty. I just meant the prices quoted are the basis for the auction, so just a lower bound. Had there been more prospective buyers, the final price would have been higher. Possibly much higher.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "hard rules about living onboard". You think there would be more rules on a ship run by anarchists than the island that was .5 miles from the ship or on land that was 6 miles from the ship?
It's a ship at any rate. The captain makes the rules, not me (or Elwar, for that matter). And it's not a cruise, where it's important to make the customers happy so they bring more. It's a residential community, and the officials are unelected politicians.

The fact that it's just .5 miles from the shore makes the prospects much milder, but can it stay there? We've seen it can't be taken for granted. And even if it could, then it's Panama (or wherever) laws.

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Did people truly think we were putting the ship 200 miles out in middle of international waters with no way to escape?
It could become necessary to do so, at least for some stretch of time. I'm not implying it would be done on purpose, cause it ain't no fun for sure.


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If this is what people believed it may have been our marketing that did us in.
Might well be. The idea of living in a monopoly where drinking water has a price determined by scarcity, surrounded by bigger fish (onboard and offboard!  Grin) is scary. If the only money is bitcoin, it's scarier enough for the small fish. One thing bitcoiners understand is the price dynamics of scarcity.

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We believed people wanted to test out seasteading even if it was just the first step at a much cheaper price than any seastead in the future will ever ever be again (we paid less than scrap prices for what was essentially a ready made seastead, just the cost of the raw material). All future seasteads will need to pay for not only the raw material but the labor, shipyard costs, government interference, and likely a company that actually wants to make a profit instead of a couple of guys that want to make something happen so much that they're willing to break even as long as we can make something great happen.

That's why I am sympathetic with this project and I always had respect for you. I support you and wish you the best of luck for your next endeavor, should you ever feel like taking on a new one. I couldn't get myself to buy a cabin, though. I was entertaining the thought "I'll have a cruise when the thing takes off" (if it's not a sausage fest).
1485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
Those dumps for ants that quickly bounce back up are so amusing...

Most observers would see high volatility.
I see a stable, upward trend.
Must be my eyes...

HoDL.

It could be your eyes
see no volatility
or your hodler mind.



#haiku
1486  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2020, 09:08:44 PM
Just generate your own addresses on a secure system.

I recommend adding a BIP38 password to your private key, this way you can print them on an insecure printer/save backups wherever you like without fear of someone finding your unprotected private keys. It's the "BIP38 Encrypt?" option on bitaddress.org

Obviously they are only as secure as your chosen password, so make it a strong one.

edit: just found out you can use emojis in your password  Cheesy

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Test 3:
Passphrase ϓ␀𐐀💩 (\u03D2\u0301\u0000\U00010400\U0001F4A9; GREEK UPSILON WITH HOOK, COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT, NULL, DESERET CAPITAL LETTER LONG I, PILE OF POO)
Encrypted key: 6PRW5o9FLp4gJDDVqJQKJFTpMvdsSGJxMYHtHaQBF3ooa8mwD69bapcDQn
Bitcoin Address: 16ktGzmfrurhbhi6JGqsMWf7TyqK9HNAeF
Unencrypted private key (WIF): 5Jajm8eQ22H3pGWLEVCXyvND8dQZhiQhoLJNKjYXk9roUFTMSZ4
Note: The non-standard UTF-8 characters in this passphrase should be NFC normalized to result in a passphrase of 0xcf9300f0909080f09f92a9 before further processing
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0038.mediawiki
The idea of nonstandard, extended unicode characters does not resonate well with me. Some nasty bug around the corner could turn you into a hero who offers his stash as a sacrifice against inflation. I mean you could LOSE your COINS.

I'd stick to standard ASCII just in case. Just make it long and random enough, you're good to go. IMHO YMMV etc.
1487  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 10:10:14 PM
Back at this, which I think can be used to make a couple of points clear.

OT: Ah yes...the MSM back at it again with their Bitcoin hit pieces  Roll Eyes

Here's Why I Won't Buy Bitcoin, and You Shouldn't, Either

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/12/20/why-i-wont-buy-bitcoin-and-you-shouldnt-either/?source=eptyholnk0000202&utm_source=yahoo-host&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=article

Ya hear that Average Joe, stay the fk away from Bitcoin!

Quote from: Motley Fool
The problem is that bitcoin lacks genuine scarcity. Its perceived cap of 21 million tokens exists because of computer code. Last I checked, code can always be erased and rewritten. While it's unlikely that a community consensus would be reached to increase the circulating supply of bitcoin, the possibility of this happening isn't zero.

Point 1: They have no clue about past Bitcoin forks, don't know history and feel entitled to say something just because their audience has even less of a clue.

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By comparison, a precious metal like gold has a hard supply limit. We can't use alchemy to make more gold.
But we can reopen closed (and still potentially profitable) mines. It could even be conceived that some big power could throttle production to manipulate the price... but what am I thinking? There's no such need, when you can just manipulate paper gold. As for fiat money, gold parity is a thing of the past, so it's basically irrelevant.

Point 2: They have no clue about the gold market.

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The only gold that's available is what's been mined or is still underground. When the only parameter of scarcity is written computer code, that's not true scarcity.

Sure, like diamonds. Scarce by Divine Decree, right?

Point 3: Points 1 and 2 might be off. In which case, the Motley Fool knows these things; he's just bullshitting clueless readers.
1488  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 09:57:02 PM
OT: Ah yes...the MSM back at it again with their Bitcoin hit pieces  Roll Eyes

Here's Why I Won't Buy Bitcoin, and You Shouldn't, Either

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/12/20/why-i-wont-buy-bitcoin-and-you-shouldnt-either/?source=eptyholnk0000202&utm_source=yahoo-host&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=article

Ya hear that Average Joe, stay the fk away from Bitcoin!
They call themselves Motley Fool for a reason.
1489  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 09:43:52 PM
Well, Well, Well this has been a good run, I wonder what is going to be this runs top, I am still feeling a top around 40k.

This is complete speculation, fully pulled out of my ass.
We do respect the power of SOMA.
1490  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 09:07:12 PM
Poll suggestion:

When page parity?

I recommend soliciting answers in time, not page count units.
1491  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 08:10:17 PM
As long as you exploit any degenerate buy with a suitable Xmas card, I think it's fine (hint hint... 23900 crossed already...)
1492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 07:19:29 PM
Freedom on water
sic transit gloria mundi
Satoshi is scrapped





#haiku
1493  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 07:07:40 PM
The demand for cabins was nil. Even with the lowest prices we could possibly offer and break even, nobody wanted to live on it.

While I'm sympathetic with the whole seasteading idea and I respect you for standing up and actually trying to do something rather than enjoying your likely riches, this is the critical bit, as several posts have already pointed out.

The prices you quoted ("starting from" - which seems to threaten much higher numbers) weren't that high in themselves, but that would only get you an inner cabin - no sea view. Basically, a closet to sleep in and not much more.

But the real issues come when one actually considers the reality of living there. Maintenance expenses that look like a real menace. Who's going to pay for the fuel, the food, the cleaning? Rhetorical question: me of course. I'm not sure the "only BTC accepted" policy was expressely stated by you, but it's as likely as not, and it doesn't look good to an oldschool hodler. Would it have been just crappy fiat - well, maybe, who knows. But my cornz? OMG nooo!

Imagine having to splurge btc for every drink. Maybe for plain water, too... with the monopoly market that inevitably ensues on such a closed, isolated community. Mostly consisting in millionaires, go figure. Scary as hell for the small fish.

I won't even mention the risk of having dinner table neighbors that engage in endless, unsolicited tirades. Oops, I just did! (j/k)

And with the hard rules about living onboard - rules usually made and enforced by the captain, not the stakeholders, there's the sizable risk of imaginary freedom turning into perpetual obedience. The thing we were trying to run away from in the first place.
1494  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 06:51:08 PM
While we talk, she's nearing 23.9k.
1495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 04:23:37 PM
Possibly, but Elwar has a vision, and I say its better to spend your time on the planet pursuing that than ways to re-invest your already substantial wealth. Breakthroughs are made by giving new ideas a go, ala Bitcoin in our mutual instance. That kind of spirit should be encouraged.

I mean he's got a great idea of truly independent new state or community but I still think he chose a wrong way to reach his goal. It should be much easier to bribe some corrupt officials of some 3rd world microstate to let them use their land for your needs. Then declare autonomy and independence etc...     Cool

The same officials that you bribe will screw you over immediately as the going gets tough.
1496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 03:38:38 PM
Elwar's story should make us all sad and wary.


Ed i love you bro, you know that * no homo

I know you are sentimental individual and support the cause kind of guy but sorry to say. If elwar story makes you sad then i feel that you didn't travel much or saw anything any dramatic irl, minus corn drama.


Thanks bro. I've seen my share of drama, real life and fiction. The reason why that story makes me sad and wary is because it shows the level of opposition "freedom" projects can expect to face.
1497  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 01:11:06 PM
Elwar's story should make us all sad and wary.

This is what you get for trying to cut out an autonomous slice of world without influence from TPTB.

What didn't the insurance companies want to insure? A solid ship? I don't think so. It would be quite lucrative to insure it.

The companies bailed out because they see Elwar's dream for what it is: a revolutionary project, maybe still in its infancy, OK, maybe with several improvements and adjustments to be implemented through experience, OK, but a revolutionary project with full potential to piss off TPTB big time. See what happened in Thailand. Imagine what could happen if the next to get pissed off is Uncle Sam or the PRC.

Who in their right mind would want to insure anything against those stakes, and against those potential adversaries?

Who would have insured Ernesto Guevara, or Dr. King - or Jesus Christ, for that matter? We know how they ended eventually.



(Disclaimer: not a follower of Guevara or King or Christ, but still...)

EDIT - Not implying any comparison between Elwar and those historically important people, but the Satoshi is a revolutionary "land". A small revolution, for the time being, but atypical in that it's led by a grass roots community which - and here's the unusual part - is wealthy. Small but dangerous. Better nip in the bud.
1498  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2020, 01:04:55 PM

What's even worse than that, is being able to do wonderful and meaningful things, but wasting your time and wealth pursuing pointless tasks. Risto Pietila's story is a good example.

What happened to Risto in the end? I had a few exchanges with him in the past, but years ago now. I know he was a troubled soul but what was  the story?

There were rumours he died... not sure how it happened though...
From what I heard, he took his life. It made me sad, even if we weren't friends by any means. I think he was a troubled soul.
1499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2020, 10:53:55 PM


There was a nuclear war.  She is using a Geiger counter to work out if the milk used for the ice cream was contaminated by fallout.  
She likes to take pics of things before wrapping her lips around them
but she's very ashamed of her little kink
so she wears a mask.
1500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 18, 2020, 08:25:53 PM
An interesting opinion piece on Coindesk. A pearl in a load of semi-trash.

https://www.coindesk.com/personal-data-humanity-big-tech
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