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1601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
The hodler viewpoint


Ten point nine thousand
twelve is around the corner
to the moon, brothers!





#haiku
1602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 15, 2020, 01:02:29 PM
The science and math viewpoint


Proudhon confirming
ominous and dark from here
scientific future






#haiku
1603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2020, 10:27:19 PM
Thanks V8, I'm fine apart from the dark thoughts. Unrelated to the epidemic, but it all happened in 4 months. I had no idea how serious his situation was cause he wouldn't complain or pity himself.

Searing, cat guy here. It really depends on both breed and individual. Females are easier IME.
1604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2020, 08:46:29 PM
Misogynous thoughts
A friend of mine died today
Bitcoin, save my mind!




#haiku
1605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2020, 08:42:35 PM
A couple of sats?
Early ejaculation
Must be very quick.




#haiku
1606  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2020, 08:17:42 PM
Settle down? No need.
She'll turn into old pussy
Gold digger or not.



#haiku
1607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2020, 02:19:57 PM
Whoa whoa! She's climbing the stairs two at a time.
1608  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 13, 2020, 02:37:25 PM
Banks and credit card companies are doing their best against that happening.
1609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 13, 2020, 12:50:24 AM
Another Sunday
the corn is going sideways
another haiku




#haiku
1610  Economy / Speculation / Re: [WO] Comacoins on: September 12, 2020, 11:07:56 PM

They reflect the majority of everyone's corporate workplace now: ZombieCorps.

So let's see: bankrupt zombie megacorps who are propped up by the banks and make little to no profit, begin to issue their own corporate-branded digital shit tokens in order to lock the public into their walled-garden of products and services, and also to tack on processing fees, storage fees, and other hidden fees, while behind the scenes also playing arbitrage between the various national fiat currencies and front-running them.

Am I getting close here? Bueller?

I mean, how long until Amazon issues their own private shitcoin? Or Walmartcoin?

The German finance minister Olaf Scholz reiterated today that the ministers are “firmly convinced that private-sector cryptocurrencies do not make sense” and “should be banned if necessary”.

I hate to say it, but he is 1000% correct. They do not make any sense.

I think they could make sense in some circumstances. Sending remittances via AmazonCoin or libra isn't that far from using bitcoin, conceptually. Of course the process under the hood is completely different, but it could have a similar function. Far too much stuff for central bankers to control. They would have to rely on FB or AMZN for KYC stuff (over certain limits, at least), and such big corporations have the muscle to topple the economic policies of (small?) nations. Of course they don't like the idea: it's much like bitcoin from their vantage point. No, not from yours - or mine, for that matter.

But let's assume they don't make sense in any possible way or circumstance. The would-be issuers could disagree, of course. They might have mischievous plans or whatever. So force the tokens to be tethered to a certain predetermined basket of assets or goods - specified in the white paper and hard to change. Force them to be backed by hard reserves. Force them to be redeemable on the spot, for their fair value. Make a law to specify "fair value" in such a way that the buyers of tokens have the upper hand when redeeming - no walled garden if they don't like it. Do AMZN or FB really want to risk a "token run"? Problem solved.

EDIT Trying to explain my position. I don't like the idea of bankers meeting up to "ban" anything with "token" or "digital coin" in it. The distinction between "private-sector" or "in-the-wild" cryptocurrency is too feeble and too easy to manipulate for my taste. If there are issuers, make clear laws that make them liable (and maybe harshly so: going again central banks is no small sin, after all). Once the ground rules are set and the user  is protected, let them print their tokens. They can't do any harm, but they could do a little good.
1611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 12, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
I say, let them try to own the world by conjuring up tokens, meaningless as they might be. It could simplify things for some people - the unbanked come to mind. It could simplify trading - tether, for good or bad, has been facilitating whale trades for years and might be a part in decentralized exchanges over L2 in the future.

BUT when you issue them, whatever your reason may be, be ready to pay back cash or similar "hard" assets whenever someone wants out of your Monopoly money. Or else.
1612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 12, 2020, 02:56:00 PM

Quote from: Euractiv (2020-09-10)
Cryptocurrency developers should produce a ‘white paper’ with all the relevant information about the issuer, the token or the trading platform “to enable potential buyers to make an informed purchase decision and understand the risks relating to the offering,” the proposal says.

National and European regulators must approve these documents before issuers can start operating.

A faceless Tor user who calls himself “Satoshi Nakamoto” will seek approval from self-entitled bureaucrats before releasing “bitcoin.pdf” and a bunch of source code, because... because.  Everybody is a bank-loving masochist with a regulatory fetish!  Confirmed by strongest science.

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"Because they are tied to national currencies, supporters of ‘stablecoins’ claim they can avoid the bubble-and-burst evolution seen with Bitcoin."

Because they are tied to national currencies which are already digital, they have no fucking point...except pointless redundancy, I guess? They continue to miss the point of Bitcoin's reason for existence in the first place.

Bitcoin is bitcoin. There's no "issuer", there's no backing, it is what it is. You want some? Mine it or buy it.

The EU tentative regulation that Biodom mentioned, as I understand it, is aimed at tokens issued by corporate actors (libra is explicitly mentioned, and tether would qualify as well). My previous post simply states that I personally agree that such corporate entities should be held liable, and any failure to comply with redemption requests immediately should have civil and criminal consequences.

The last thing we need is more fractional reserve scams springing up like mushrooms everywhere.
1613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 12, 2020, 01:53:40 PM

You're stuffed full of merits for a reason, dude. Have a special one. Keeping my last few for promises and nonlegendaries Wink

+1 WOsMerit
1614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 12, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
EU developments:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/leak-eu-to-create-superbody-of-watchdogs-to-oversee-digital-currencies/

Interestingly,

Quote
The rules also impose the prohibition of granting any interests to holders of these digital assets.

This would cause a huge move of btc into US-based interest-generating custodial accounts (such as blockfi and celsius, maybe even Coinbase/Kraken)

Quote
The draft text also obliges the Libra Association and the issuers other significant e-money tokens, to redeem, at any moment and at par value, the monetary value of the e-money tokens if the holders decide, either in cash or by credit transfers. The rules also impose the prohibition of granting any interests to holders of these digital assets.

In this context, it looks sane to me. Tolerably so, at least. You issue tokens, they must be backed by something.
1615  Economy / Speculation / Re: [WO] Total, inescapable slavery on: September 12, 2020, 01:17:46 AM
I know this is impossible, but I would like to know what Hal Finney would think of the overall Bitcoin situation, exchanges, forks, asics farms, long shorts, bets

Me too.

I know one thing, even though Satoshi thought through a lot of variables and possibilities, I doubt that he/they envisioned bullshit forks persisting and hanging around indefinitely.

Did Finney or Nakamoto ever mention such an event/situation as a market for forks? 2 sMerit to the first finder of a quote.
1616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 11, 2020, 11:10:32 AM
Congratz Cryptotourist!
1617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 10, 2020, 04:03:58 PM


Contaminating your vital fluids, are they?
1618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 10, 2020, 01:20:28 PM


You've been posting these for months now (I appreciate it because it confirms what I've suspected for about 2 years) and anyone who still doesn't see the correlation between BTC and the general stock market is out of their goddamn minds (cough... JJG).

Decorrelation
isn't a thing anymore
not these days at least




#haiku
1619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2020, 06:22:20 PM
For what's worth, I confirm cAPSLOCK's findings. Because science and hard data.
1620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
OT: Witness how Wall Street has their shit together, knows what they are talking about, and that you should listen to them.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

-Jim Cramer showing opposite views snipped-

Not more than one day apart. Confused yet?   Huh
I share your disgust at the hopeless clown, but seeing your frequent mentions of him here I understand some peeps complaining about people in their ignore list getting quoted by other peeps they follow.
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