ich würde ja erstmal abwarten, was weiter passiert. Angeblich wurde ja nur das hot wallet gehackt, auf dem angeblich nur 5% der Einlagen lagen.
Dann wäre das schlimmste was passieren kann, dass jeder 5 % verliert, sofern diese Aussagen stimmen.

Also warten, was weiter passiert.

http://themerkle.com/gatecoin-exchange-is-investigating-a-possible-hack/

@ paci:
I figured out a way how I can profit from margin trading even without the "cash out" feature So I will implement it within the next days into my bot.

But some questions:
1) How can my bot be notified, if a margin call happens? Which API call can I make, to find out, that a margin call happend?
2) For now, there are no extra margin fees, right? But of course you will implement them some day. Will it be a fix fee, or like Kraken something like 0.01% per 4 hours (so a fee per time positions were open)?

edit:
I took a quick look at API for margin trading, and noticed there is a new call for position balances: https://api.therocktrading.com/doc/v1/#api-Margin_Trading_API-PositionBalances
That is what exactly? The balance which is locked for all positions? Or the balance that is not locked? I guess the second thing is right?

I just want to know, if I want to do normal trades and margin trades with my bot, if it is enough to call Margin_Trading_API-PositionBalances, or if I also have to call Basic_API-Balances ?
I hope it is enough to call one of these, since every call takes some seconds, so I would like to do as less calls as possible... if I have to call both at the moment, would it be possible to merge them?  

But I guess Margin_Trading_API-PositionBalances is the only thing I have to call, right?

edit:
it seems I really have to call both balance calls.. same problem at kraken... but why 2 calls for something, that could be easily returned in one single call??

wie schon beschrieben brauchst du nur einmal Postident, und zwar das von der Fidor Bank.

Also folgende Schritte an Tag 1:
1) Online Fidorknoto eröffnen, alle nötigen Daten online angeben, Postident Zeugs ausdrucken und bei der Post abgeben.

Fraglich ob ebenfalls an Tag 1 oder erst später:
2) Bitcoin.de Account online aufmachen, alle nötigen daten angeben und irgendwo sollte irgendwann dann gefragt werden, ob man denn bereits ein Fidor Konto hat. Dies dann bejahen und dem Datentransfer zustimmen, wodurch das erfolgreiche Fidor-Postident auf bitcoin.de übertragen wird. Fertig.

Die einzige Frage, die ich auch nicht beantworten kann ist halt, ob du dich erst bei bitcoin.de anmelden solltest, wenn das Fidor Postident fertig ist (zb. weil man sonst über den "Sofort" murks gejagt wird), oder ob man sich auch problemlos anmelden kann und die Fidor Verbindung dann später machen kann, sobald Postident von Fidor fertig ist.

I think next time, if you try any other exchange:
1) complete the verification before you send any money.
2) send a small amount first, to test if everything works fine.

There are countries and other factors that cause problems, as you may know now.
But whatever happens now with your account and money, Kraken is no scam and it works well for alot of users. The main problem will be your country or bank or whatever, which could also cause problems at other exchanges.

You have to take into account that there may be more users like me.
I don't like the normal margin trading and will never do this. But I will use margin trading in combination with the cash out option alot.
Hope you will add this feature some day

Will write you a PM

@allyouracid:
nach deiner Argumentation wäre ein belegter Verlust durch das Aus von Cryptsy also doch steuerlich verwendbar? Klingt zumindest gerade so.
Coiner.de behauptet aber, dass eine solche Art von Verlust allgemein nicht verwendbar ist, egal ob belegt oder nicht (betonung auf "Verkauf").

Als Gox weg war, hab ich auch gelesen, dass solche Verluste eigentlich nicht verwendbar sind. Aber wer ist schon so blöd und zahlt einen haufen Steuern obwohl er soeben alles verloren hat. Deswegen ergibt das aus meiner Sicht keinen Sinn... Zum "Glück" hatte ich damals keine gewinne die hoch genug waren, so blieb mir das erspart.

lies dir bitte einfach die letzten Seiten durch, es wurde da bereits alles geschrieben, was du wissen musst

Allgemein gilt:
Immer vorsichtig sein, bei angeboten die zu gut klingen und er erst Erfahrungsberichte suchen! Denn tatsächlich ist es meistens Betrug, wenn etwas zu gut klingt um wahr zu sein.
In diesem Fall ist es relativ sicher kein Betrug, wie du den Reviews der Leute die es gewagt haben entnehmen kannst. Bisher gibt es keinen negativen Bericht von Usern, die gekauft haben.

@Beyn:
Of course you can do that and there are several people who doing exactly that with their bots. E.g at Kraken.com EUR/BTC are many 0.01BTC orders scattered on the BID and ASK side.

This seems to be profitable, otherwise this user won't do it since a very long time.
But I'm skeptical. If the market moves up (or down) too much, all your sell orders are filled, but your buy orders not (buy orders are filled, but sell orders not).
So obviously it is risky to use amonts higher than 0.01 BTC, which means it will be only very small profit, with a quite high risk if the price is too volatile in one direction.

Yes the negative amount bug is solved. I hope it will not happen again =/

Thank you for the links, but none of them answers a single of my questions ^^
The Margin-Level article talks about 100%. My first question was basically, if I have to replace that 100% with 80% at Kraken? (because it's written somewhere that Kraken uses a 80 Margin-Call-Level)
The other question was about the value of bitcoin as collateral wich is not mentioned in one of the links.

So open questions:
1) Do I have to replace that 100% with 80% at Kraken? https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/203325753-Margin-Level
2) If bitcoin is used as collateral, will it be used as " 1 BTC " regardless of the price? Or will my collateral loose value (in addition to the normal loss!), if the price of bitcoin falls.
3) When I open a short position and I have Euro and BTc in my account balance. How to determine which currency will be used as collateral (since both can be used)?

I don't mean the fees, I just mean the "cash out of margin positions", instead of the normal closing.
I just tried it at your exchange:
Opened a short position of 0.1 BTC at 407€/BTC with x3 Leverage.
What is expert mode? I went to settings and marked "Am I an expert trader (avoid warnings)?", but the https://therocktrading.com/en/positions page does not change?
How to chash out now? Hitting the "X" at "action" seems to be the normal closing.

Maybe it is possible at https://therocktrading.com/en/funds/BTCEUR/positions/463 , so at the specific position page?
By the way, this site is not displayed correctly:
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/30604985/rockposition.jpg

I had to close the position now with a loss, because I was not able to find out how to cash out.
So please explain me step by step, how to cash out a margin position.
And also tell me how to to this via API


Another topic:
I wonder what is needed to sell shares at your exchange. Do I need a registered company? Or what are the conditions?

Edit:
Tell me when you saw the screenshot and don't need it anymore, then I will delete it.

Edit2:
I just noticed, that it may be you did not understand waht feature I mean. The best would be to just read the blog article from kraken I linked, if you are not sure what I mean by "cash out"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695082.0;topicseen
and
http://exchangewar.info/

  das hab ich tatsächlich total vergessen, weil keine antwort kam xD
Habe gerade leider auch keine Zeit die Liste nochmal durchzugehen. Wenn gewünscht, erinnere mich jemand in einer Woche nochmal daran

thank you very much!
Just some things I want to clarify:

- The Margin Call Level is 80%, that means if my leverage is 2:1 (and I don't have more balance) the price only has to move 40% (instead of 50%) in the wrong direction to be margin called?
- It is right, that I can choose which currency should be used as collateral? If so:

1) Go long for 5 BTC with 5:1 leverage with EUR as collateral VS 2) Go long for 5 BTC with 5:1 leverage with BTC as collateral.

1)
The price for the 5 BTC is 400€/BTC, so 400€ is locked for this margin position and I don't have more balance in my account.
Now the price goes down 16% (80% from 20%), I will be margin called and loose 80% from my 400€, right?

2)
The price for the 5 BTC is 400€/BTC, so 1BTC is locked for this margin position and I don't have more balance in my account.
Now the price goes down 8% to 368€/BTC. The problem I see now is, that my colleteral is less worth, than it was before. So my assumption is, that I will be margin called long before 16% price movement. Is this right?


edit:
why is the open amount of my margin order, after I tried to settle it, -2.67644522 ? I can`t close it because negative amount.
Ticket number: #98751

Kraken already implemented this feature, maybe it helps you to develope it too
http://blog.kraken.com/post/143865496412/new-feature-cash-out-of-margin-positions-with

@ Dargo, thank you very much for the explanation

Is there a FAQ or Guide which is as detailed as the description in the email for the whole process (with opening the margin position)? The Trading Guide seems to be not very detailed.

Another topic:
If you are at https://www.kraken.com/u/trade (or charts) and scroll down to the bottom. Hover the mouse over the "Trading Guide" link. You will see, that it will redirect you to https://www.kraken.com/redirect?url=  . I already wrote this to support some months ago, but it seems they don't care.
If you are at https://www.kraken.com/help/faq , the link to the Trading Guide is correct.

Settle Position

Thank you very much this this fantastic feature!

I have some questions:
1) I tried to place one settle position, buy 0.05 BTC with 1.5 Leverage. But I can't define a price, why? And when I try to place it, it says "invalid position". Do I have to open a margin position first?

2) In your information email you say, that a settle position would be free of charge, because there would be no market action. But why is there no market action? If I place a settle position buy order for 1 BTC at 400€/BTC you have to buy this 1 BTC at that price, otherwise it would not be possible for you to give me that 1 bTC at 400€/BTC after I close the position.  Or do I understand it wrong?

3) Also in your email you give the example, that if someone has only bitcoins in his account and want to buy some more bitcoins, he can make a settle position. That would mean the previous btc in the account would be the colateral? So if the price was 400€/BTC before and the leverage of 2 was used, and then the prcie goes down to 300€/BTC that would mean that also the colateral lost value, which will result in a faster margin call, right?

of course kraken is not scam.
PM Dargo your ticket number and I'm sure he will speed up the support.

Why are you asking that much questions? Just do it.
But about coinbase see here: https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1905681-localbitcoins-and-coinbase

siehe zb. hier die links die als "Wechselstube" deklariert sind:
http://bitcoin-für-anfänger.de/bitcoin-infos-und-anleitungen/bitcoin-kaufen.html

hab mich noch nicht näher mit trailing beschäftigt, aber bis jemand anders eine ausführlichere Antwort parat hat, kannst du dir ja mal folgende Threads anschauen, vllt beinhalten sie ja schon, was du machen willst:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551744.0
https://www.coinforum.de/topic/3402-zwei-fragen-zu-stop-loss-limit-order/?p=50216