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1121  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 03:47:00 PM
I for one am really uneasy about the price right now, I feel like its a good buy opportunity, the best buy opportunity in a while actually, but at the same time I'm not sure there is enough buy support to even hold $200.  I wonder if we break $200, it could be another long fall from there.  Or, if some strong buying happens, we could be in for a run up.  I feel like we're right on the edge and could go wither way.

So why would now be a good buy, and what reasons (actual reasons, not just "because were going to the moon") are there for the price to stabilize and continue upward?
IMO don't try to catch a falling knife, especially as the XT vs Core drama is not over.

That said, a buy from 125 down to 50 is a very good buy because there will be almost certainly a bounce at least to 150. Especially if the drama is over (which of course will make it almost impossible to fall below 100$ and probably will send us above 240s).

If the drama is over, above 235 is a certain buy.

With or without drama, all in above 285.

Just don't be greedy to trade the 160-235 chop. Wait patiently for better opportunity.

Good choice is a short between 228-232 with a stop at 234.



I sold off what I had today just before the spike in the last hour. Don't regret it yet, I feel a crash is more likely right now. If this doesn't happen in the next few weeks, I'll keep these figures in mind so I don't get left behind before a major rally.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd , 2 or 4h

I think we will go up to 230-235 and then fall back in the 202-205 area. Then a W formation and a breakout above 235.
1122  Economy / Speculation / Re: PnF TA on: August 25, 2015, 03:46:41 PM
I for one am really uneasy about the price right now, I feel like its a good buy opportunity, the best buy opportunity in a while actually, but at the same time I'm not sure there is enough buy support to even hold $200.  I wonder if we break $200, it could be another long fall from there.  Or, if some strong buying happens, we could be in for a run up.  I feel like we're right on the edge and could go wither way.

So why would now be a good buy, and what reasons (actual reasons, not just "because were going to the moon") are there for the price to stabilize and continue upward?
IMO don't try to catch a falling knife, especially as the XT vs Core drama is not over.

That said, a buy from 125 down to 50 is a very good buy because there will be almost certainly a bounce at least to 150. Especially if the drama is over (which of course will make it almost impossible to fall below 100$ and probably will send us above 240s).

If the drama is over, above 235 is a certain buy.

With or without drama, all in above 285.

Just don't be greedy to trade the 160-235 chop. Wait patiently for better opportunity.

Good choice is a short between 228-232 with a stop at 234.



I sold off what I had today just before the spike in the last hour. Don't regret it yet, I feel a crash is more likely right now. If this doesn't happen in the next few weeks, I'll keep these figures in mind so I don't get left behind before a major rally.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd , 2 or 4h

I think we will go up to 230-235 and then fall back in the 202-205 area. Then a W formation and a breakout above 235.
1123  Economy / Speculation / Re: We're on the knifes edge on: August 25, 2015, 03:46:07 PM
I for one am really uneasy about the price right now, I feel like its a good buy opportunity, the best buy opportunity in a while actually, but at the same time I'm not sure there is enough buy support to even hold $200.  I wonder if we break $200, it could be another long fall from there.  Or, if some strong buying happens, we could be in for a run up.  I feel like we're right on the edge and could go wither way.

So why would now be a good buy, and what reasons (actual reasons, not just "because were going to the moon") are there for the price to stabilize and continue upward?
IMO don't try to catch a falling knife, especially as the XT vs Core drama is not over.

That said, a buy from 125 down to 50 is a very good buy because there will be almost certainly a bounce at least to 150. Especially if the drama is over (which of course will make it almost impossible to fall below 100$ and probably will send us above 240s).

If the drama is over, above 235 is a certain buy.

With or without drama, all in above 285.

Just don't be greedy to trade the 160-235 chop. Wait patiently for better opportunity.

Good choice is a short between 228-232 with a stop at 234.



I sold off what I had today just before the spike in the last hour. Don't regret it yet, I feel a crash is more likely right now. If this doesn't happen in the next few weeks, I'll keep these figures in mind so I don't get left behind before a major rally.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd , 2 or 4h

I think we will go up to 230-235 and then fall back in the 202-205 area. Then a W formation and a breakout above 235.
1124  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 03:15:47 PM
I for one am really uneasy about the price right now, I feel like its a good buy opportunity, the best buy opportunity in a while actually, but at the same time I'm not sure there is enough buy support to even hold $200.  I wonder if we break $200, it could be another long fall from there.  Or, if some strong buying happens, we could be in for a run up.  I feel like we're right on the edge and could go wither way.

So why would now be a good buy, and what reasons (actual reasons, not just "because were going to the moon") are there for the price to stabilize and continue upward?
IMO don't try to catch a falling knife, especially as the XT vs Core drama is not over.

That said, a buy from 125 down to 50 is a very good buy because there will be almost certainly a bounce at least to 150. Especially if the drama is over (which of course will make it almost impossible to fall below 100$ and probably will send us above 240s).

If the drama is over, above 235 is a certain buy.

With or without drama, all in above 285.

Just don't be greedy to trade the 160-235 chop. Wait patiently for better opportunity.

Good choice is a short between 228-232 with a stop at 234.




https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064374.msg12086133#msg12086133

BEAR trend again!!!




Both in HL AND CLOSE.

No longs. Short the resistances. Maybe short some double bottom breaks. Close shorts at double top breaks.

Sub 200s?


I explained above why the current setup makes me cautious.
That does not mean I know where it will go (neutral ATM except some 'scalps') and we (everyone here) try with TA (TPTB with TA+fundamentals) to figure out a possible direction with every clue we can find in our charts.

In order to provide some more clues why a triple break must always be treated with caution in a counter signal, I will provide some more examples from BTC chart.

Coincidentally the first one is from the double top I mentioned before of last summer. I see many similarities with back then but there are of course differences too.
Not sure what will happen if we double top now (same or different pattern) but BTC tends to repeat patterns (don't you dare deny this! Tongue ).

So here is the first chart:



That was a very strong sell signal and a first serious warning that this asset should be treated with extreme caution! Even the subsequent strong double top could not reverse this and then we fell even harder!

We fell down to 445 and bounced at 530 - then another triple bottom (468) break finished any chances of recovery! We fell to 275:




275 to 410 and the another triple bottom at 368 sends us at 315. Then we rally up to 475 and we get another triple bottom at 365 which brings us at 165! :




That was the last time we encountered such a signal until the recent one.


Ok, it seems that what I wished for (triple top breakout) did not happen  Undecided
But fortunately PnF would have to provide a clear signal and it did.

Some things (that were correct) to remember:

I am not predicting the direction - I know though the importance of the 300$ barrier.
It is 4th time we retest it this year. IMO there is no room for another failure. Whatever that means..


BTW, below 50$ the project should be considered dead.


The Chinese are getting in the mood to short everything. Once they realize they make more money with their money by putting up as margin shorting than buying becomes the new fad. You think they won't short Bitcoin too?

All assets other than the dollar are going be toasted by shorting over the next months as we head into the contagion that has been assured by the rising interest rates confirmed by the Fed leak a this past week.


I explained above why the current setup makes me cautious.
That does not mean I know where it will go (neutral ATM except some 'scalps') and we (everyone here) try with TA (TPTB with TA+fundamentals) to figure out a possible direction with every clue we can find in our charts.

In order to provide some more clues why a triple break must always be treated with caution in a counter signal, I will provide some more examples from BTC chart.

Coincidentally the first one is from the double top I mentioned before of last summer. I see many similarities with back then but there are of course differences too.
Not sure what will happen if we double top now (same or different pattern) but BTC tends to repeat patterns (don't you dare deny this! Tongue ).

So here is the first chart:



That was a very strong sell signal and a first serious warning that this asset should be treated with extreme caution! Even the subsequent strong double top could not reverse this and then we fell even harder!

We fell down to 445 and bounced at 530 - then another triple bottom (468) break finished any chances of recovery! We fell to 275:




275 to 410 and the another triple bottom at 368 sends us at 315. Then we rally up to 475 and we get another triple bottom at 365 which brings us at 165! :




That was the last time we encountered such a signal until the recent one.



Looks like week of Aug 10 will ensue the big sell off in gold (and probably also Bitcoin):


Do you know when the big sell off started the previous summer (from the 685$ high to 165$ bottom)? August 11th!

It made a nice double top 685$ and 665$ and the rest is history...
Will it repeat itself (315 and 305?)?


Let me make this clear: Tripple bottom break AND bullish trend are INCOMPATIBLE!!!



Triple top/bottom break is very strong signal, I doubt 275 support will hold.




Sell signal:



But on support line. Be careful anyway you trade..



BTC triple bottom at 284$. If it holds extremely bullish. If it breaks (280$) very strong sell signal.

Resistance 288-292 & 300-304$. Bullish trend broken at 260$.







Also:

Gold target 500$. Worst case scenario 300$.
If BTC decouples it will go at least 2000$.
If not targets are about 100$ and 50$ respectively.

Gold and BTC were moving in the past both in parallel and anti parallel. Interesting to see where this will go!


kLee prophecy for the lolz:

315 -> 125 -> 215 -> 75 -> 145

EDIT: That is a bearish scenario if we fail to break 300$ again for good (>320)
1125  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 03:12:04 PM
That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies?  

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.
Another idiot! Must be my lucky day.

EVERYTHING WITH A PRICE IS GOVERNED BY SUPPLY & DEMAND!

Capish idiot?

Whatever scammer, please post your trades, not some past dated chart.  I'm not the one making claims to be a btc price guru, that is you.  
Lol! My trades?

50eu invested in NXT as early adopter - at peak worthing 3M usd.

Bought 500btc at 2011, while you were playing Second Life.

Just told you I sold the top 310.

Apart from that, my interpretations may be right or wrong but supply & demand ARE the price - the price IS reflecting Supply & Demand.

Are you so freakin idiot?

LOL where is the proof of your great TA trades?  You told me lol, show proof.  
Buying 500 btc in 2011 doesn't make you a good ta trader either lol.  
Thanks for the proof of your recent ta trades.  
Ask my subscribers...

Listen i'm not trying to argue with you, but if I don't see physical proof of you using your ta to make money, not some thread prediction, not your word, not your subscribers: that is all just smoke and mirrors.  If you want you can post your trade log without gaps and we can see you are legit.  If not than fine, but unless you have proof, its all smoke and mirrors.  
You do understand that no analyst does that for various reasons. I am eponymous here, who the fuck are you (the IRS?) ? Posts yours if you are eponymous...
Also my analysis does not say to others what to do (this is their job, a given setup can be traded in many ways), I just analyze the general trend that we are in (now bearish), major support & resistances and breakouts/breakdowns (usually buy/sell signals accordingly).

If you have a triangle, depending on your personality, you may want to short the resistance, buy the resistance, sell the support, buy the support etc - it depends on your risk profile, the general trend etc etc

Saying that TA is worthless because you don't understand it (usually these people never bothered to study it anyway) or because an analyst maybe not a good trader (it happens) is false. Also he maybe a great analyst but suck at trading for various reasons. It's like the good doc telling you not to smoke while he does.

That said, I wll short between 228-232 with a stop at 234. Satisfied?
1126  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies? 

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.
Another idiot! Must be my lucky day.

EVERYTHING WITH A PRICE IS GOVERNED BY SUPPLY & DEMAND!

Capish idiot?

Whatever scammer, please post your trades, not some past dated chart.  I'm not the one making claims to be a btc price guru, that is you. 
Lol! My trades?

50eu invested in NXT as early adopter - at peak worthing 3M usd.

Bought 500btc at 2011, while you were playing Second Life.

Just told you I sold the top 310.

Apart from that, my interpretations may be right or wrong but supply & demand ARE the price - the price IS reflecting Supply & Demand.

Are you so freakin idiot?

LOL where is the proof of your great TA trades?  You told me lol, show proof.  
Buying 500 btc in 2011 doesn't make you a good ta trader either lol.  
Thanks for the proof of your recent ta trades.  
Ask my subscribers...

Listen i'm not trying to argue with you, but if I don't see physical proof of you using your ta to make money, not some thread prediction, not your word, not your subscribers: that is all just smoke and mirrors.  If you want you can post your trade log without gaps and we can see you are legit.  If not than fine, but unless you have proof, its all smoke and mirrors.  
June 16 - end of the bear trend (meaning you should buy, you think I did not?):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064374.msg11633616#msg11633616

1127  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 03:00:33 PM
That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies?  

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.
Another idiot! Must be my lucky day.

EVERYTHING WITH A PRICE IS GOVERNED BY SUPPLY & DEMAND!

Capish idiot?

Whatever scammer, please post your trades, not some past dated chart.  I'm not the one making claims to be a btc price guru, that is you.  
Lol! My trades?

50eu invested in NXT as early adopter - at peak worthing 3M usd.

Bought 500btc at 2011, while you were playing Second Life.

Just told you I sold the top 310.

Apart from that, my interpretations may be right or wrong but supply & demand ARE the price - the price IS reflecting Supply & Demand.

Are you so freakin idiot?

LOL where is the proof of your great TA trades?  You told me lol, show proof.  
Buying 500 btc in 2011 doesn't make you a good ta trader either lol.  
Thanks for the proof of your recent ta trades.  
Again because you are slow: DID YOU READ MY THREAD? I transparently say many of my trades there.

Asshole.

EDIT: Did you sell at 300+? Probably you sold yesterday lol
1128  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 02:59:12 PM
That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies? 

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.
Another idiot! Must be my lucky day.

EVERYTHING WITH A PRICE IS GOVERNED BY SUPPLY & DEMAND!

Capish idiot?

Whatever scammer, please post your trades, not some past dated chart.  I'm not the one making claims to be a btc price guru, that is you. 
Lol! My trades?

50eu invested in NXT as early adopter - at peak worthing 3M usd.

Bought 500btc at 2011, while you were playing Second Life.

Just told you I sold the top 310.

Apart from that, my interpretations may be right or wrong but supply & demand ARE the price - the price IS reflecting Supply & Demand.

Are you so freakin idiot?

LOL where is the proof of your great TA trades?  You told me lol, show proof.  
Buying 500 btc in 2011 doesn't make you a good ta trader either lol.  
Thanks for the proof of your recent ta trades.  
Ask my subscribers...
1129  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 02:57:42 PM
OP:

http://www.aaii.com/journal/article/analyzing-supply-and-demand-using-point-and-figure-charts.touch
1130  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 02:56:37 PM
That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies? 

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.
Another idiot! Must be my lucky day.

EVERYTHING WITH A PRICE IS GOVERNED BY SUPPLY & DEMAND!

Capish idiot?

Whatever scammer, please post your trades, not some past dated chart.  I'm not the one making claims to be a btc price guru, that is you. 
Lol! My trades?

50eu invested in NXT as early adopter - at peak worthing 3M usd.

Bought 500btc at 2011, while you were playing Second Life.

Just told you I sold the top 310.

Apart from that, my interpretations may be right or wrong but supply & demand ARE the price - the price IS reflecting Supply & Demand.

Are you so freakin idiot?
Did you even read my thread IDIOT?
 Cheesy
1131  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 02:52:52 PM
That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies? 

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.
Another idiot! Must be my lucky day.

EVERYTHING WITH A PRICE IS GOVERNED BY SUPPLY & DEMAND!

Capish idiot?

Whatever scammer, please post your trades, not some past dated chart.  I'm not the one making claims to be a btc price guru, that is you. 
Lol! My trades?

50eu invested in NXT as early adopter - at peak worthing 3M usd.

Bought 500btc at 2011, while you were playing Second Life.

Just told you I sold the top 310.

Apart from that, my interpretations may be right or wrong but supply & demand ARE the price - the price IS reflecting Supply & Demand.

Are you so freakin idiot?
1132  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 02:44:50 PM
That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies? 

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.
Another idiot! Must be my lucky day.

EVERYTHING WITH A PRICE IS GOVERNED BY SUPPLY & DEMAND!

Capish idiot?
1133  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 02:39:21 PM
@OP
I'm still here.  Cool

That is because the people on here that claim they are using technical analysis just take charts and draw random lines to match a theory to sound like they know wtf they are doing, or they give such absurd ranges (170-330 price target!) so they can't be wrong.
In theory why would TA apply to btc?  None of the theories were created about btc.  Would you follow a recipe a recipe for brownies while making cookies?  

Some of the people aren't full of shit, but 90 percent of the self proclaimed btc analyst are.

What you fail to understand is that TA is independent of what market is being analyzed. If there is a market to trade between two assets, there is technical data that can be analyzed to determine real demand and momentum of those assets. Bitcoin is no different in this respect.
Forgot it, you are so right: supply & demand (momentum). Where did you (OP) start see supply taking over? I am sure you saw it from 285 to 315.
Since mid July (315 high), do you see ANY higher high in the 1d chart??

Go figure...
1134  Economy / Speculation / Re: We're on the knifes edge on: August 25, 2015, 02:36:12 PM
I for one am really uneasy about the price right now, I feel like its a good buy opportunity, the best buy opportunity in a while actually, but at the same time I'm not sure there is enough buy support to even hold $200.  I wonder if we break $200, it could be another long fall from there.  Or, if some strong buying happens, we could be in for a run up.  I feel like we're right on the edge and could go wither way.

So why would now be a good buy, and what reasons (actual reasons, not just "because were going to the moon") are there for the price to stabilize and continue upward?
IMO don't try to catch a falling knife, especially as the XT vs Core drama is not over.

That said, a buy from 125 down to 50 is a very good buy because there will be almost certainly a bounce at least to 150. Especially if the drama is over (which of course will make it almost impossible to fall below 100$ and probably will send us above 240s).

If the drama is over, above 235 is a certain buy.

With or without drama, all in above 285.

Just don't be greedy to trade the 160-235 chop. Wait patiently for better opportunity.

Good choice is a short between 228-232 with a stop at 234.

1135  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, technical analysts, where are you now? on: August 25, 2015, 02:28:28 PM
Regardless of whatever fibonacci lines, retracement levels, bottoms, targets, supports, breakthrough rates, crystal spheres, or other tech analysis mumbo jumbo had predicted, surely most of them will not have foreseen a 20% drop in one week, of which 10% in the last couple of days.

When we honestly look at posts from tech analysts, we can see most of the time they try to come up with some explanation of the past and rarely (as in, not more than sheer chance) did they actually predict the future.

Statistically, basing your buying/hodling/selling strategy on the flip of a coin or the throw of a dice, would have delivered as least as good results as using TA.
So can we now either stop with the technical analysis nonsense, or agree it's as good as any wild guess?

Or are there still people who still believe in it?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064374.0

Educate yourself....

Important info in there from TPTB too (based on Martin Armstrong methods and not only).

P&F predicted the bull market was over since the triple bottom break (from 285 to 280) and then more confirmation after the 296 double top failure, which led to a brutal bearish catapult that violated typically the bullish trend too (around 270 if I remember right).

You are ignorant.

PS: I sold at 310 and TPTB was urging everyone to sell at 315 too.

PS2: You are so ignorant.
1136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 25, 2015, 10:06:35 AM
Everybody, get ready for a massive dump, because I just bought back in. Somehow what I do always makes the price do the opposite  of what is good for me.
Opening an all in short...
 Cheesy
1137  Economy / Speculation / Re: PnF TA on: August 25, 2015, 09:38:29 AM
Black Monday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sEazfbKwf8

 Roll Eyes
1138  Economy / Speculation / Re: PnF TA on: August 25, 2015, 01:35:49 AM
Maybe we will close 200-204:

1139  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 25, 2015, 01:34:42 AM

Which movie is this?  Cheesy
1140  Economy / Speculation / Re: PnF TA on: August 25, 2015, 01:13:09 AM
https://youtu.be/QdNlL0qfZuk?t=3739
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