1. Why do you need the seed go with you? There are many ways of thought an maybe, just maybe, you don't need the seed go with you. Imho this would be best.
2. If there's a backup seed still there at home, maybe storing it encrypted / password protected on 1-2 USB sticks would do the job.
3. The seed is a text, hence it can be disguised in plain sight, like (already said) underlining words in a book, or even having 2 pieces of paper with different parts of the seed (people can mistake them for 12-words seed and they are together a 24-words seed).
4. Go to https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt and convert your list of words into a list of corresponding numbers.

At the moment somebody else gets even close to getting access to your wallet (so, if possible, before the repair guy getting to your file), you should consider that wallet compromised, move your funds away and never use it again.
Depending on your wallet's version (basically HD vs non HD) a new address may or may not be getting into his hands. However, why would you take chances?

Well said. Plus, by doubling, each new loss is way bigger, in a (desperate) attempt to recover all the previous (and ever increasing) loses.
Indeed, the sure path of getting very fast to zero.

I've seen people spending just as much time on Facebook, without even being incentivized to do so. Or playing games (online or offline). Or on TV.
So it depends from person to person, really. Going out is no longer "the thing" it should be. And if staying in, why not here?

This forum (too) is a very interesting "world", and spending time and being part of the community doesn't look like wasted time.
Of course, getting incentivized to be here and post is an important part/factor. How important, again, depends from person to person and also probably on how big the incentive is (depending on the campaign) and how badly the person needs that money. I would also not underestimate the interest in the actual people in here (online friends made on the forum).


In my case it's (also) both (the interest/passion about Bitcoin and the entire underlying technology and also the incentive) and, I'd say, even more than those two (ie the people).

14$ an hour is by far not a low-end payment. Not in my country, not in many others. So I think that you're looking at the things from the wrong angle. If you feel it's too low, you may want to adjust your spending habits.
And if you have "some skill in programing" I am sure you could look the things up and set up yourself a cold storage if you don't want to invest in hardware wallet.

Loser? I wouldn't say so. You're one of too many and all this stuff has a learning curve you've "missed". Lazy instead? Most probably, since you could have been reading this or that in the past 3 years and understand why keeping your savings in a/any centralized platform can easily turn into a huge mistake. Take this opportunity and at least learn from your mistakes. Get more knowledge and do the things right next time.

The first and easiest possibility would be that the website you've used to generate the paper wallet wasn't only showing it to you, instead it also made a copy of that paper wallet for the website owner.
And at some point, when he noticed you've funded it, he stole your money since he had too the private key.

Another discussion is about what you've done with the paper wallet an how you've stored it. If anyone else copied the private key, he could steal your money.
A paper wallet as you've done it is a private key and an address. Those can be kept on paper, but some keep it (wrongly!) in e-mail or cloud storage, giving others the chance to steal.

Plus if your computer has malware, for example, it was open to the internet.

These are the first possibilities coming into my mind.


I don't know how good is bitaddress. If people say it's OK, fine, but such a tool can easily generate the keys even by a certain rule and make it easy to recover by the site owner. I would use a wallet to generate the private key.
Apart of the first step and using a paper wallet generator, the rest of the steps look pretty good (although booting from an USB stick with a live OS with no persistence would achieve that easier).

I would use Bitcoin core (offline, without downloading blockchain) or Electrum (offline) at first step and, as a later step, I would recover the wallet from the private key and make sure the address is the one expected (so you avoid surprises there too).

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Later edit: if you invest into amounts like 0.4 BTC, is it so difficult to invest in a hardware wallet? It would be safer and easier even for making yourself some sort of paper wallets, if you still want those.

Vai, mulțumesc mult că le-ai scris tu! Le văzusem ieri (de fapt 3 dintre ele), am și participat la două, dar mi-a fost peste mână să le postez aici, stăteam prost cu timpul și mă agitam ca prostu', pierzând și mai mult timp.
Acum am venit să văd și să postez, dar deja ai făcut-o tu. Cu atât mai bine, măcar nu hăulesc singur la lună


Baftă să avem cu toții!

Woah 
I've had a feeling that something has happened in the past years - I don't/didn't know when - but I couldn't think that it was this bad.
So sorry man. Stay strong and get well. Good luck with the surgery.

I can guess that it won't be an easy Christmas this year, but I certainly hope you'll celebrate it more properly (ok, without alcohol, but still...) in February!

Take the bright side of the situation: you've found out before it was too late.
Believe in your chance and, yeah, I'll be repeating that, stay strong!

Good point. At the first read I thought the account in discussion is bitcointalk account. But yeah, it may be an account at a centralized exchange or the wallet mistaken for account.
@Cynthia_sinach042, can you please clear this out? Since it's not advised to keep big amounts of bitcoins on centralized platforms, you may consider getting a hardware wallet...


This is not really the best way to invest, since personal needs can happen and then you may have to sell at a loss.
But yeah, I wish you don't have unexpected expenses and the investment will stay there for long.


Not many agree that in the whole world, not yet. But we'll get there too someday, not too far in the future...

19 - NeuroticFish

Thank you!

Well, congrats! Is this payment for the side job or for the main job?
I'm asking because for the side job it's just the perfect way to do it (imho), but for the main job, getting the full pay in bitcoin is a bit risky unless you can live from other funds and keep the bitcoins untouched for a couple of years.
However, interesting move!

10 - NeuroticFish
36 - NeuroticFish

Thank you, Betnomi!

Far too early to say anything meaningful on that matter. It's clearly bleeding, but it's far from bleeding to death.
The problem is that Elon was probably expecting the opposite: a tremendous growth from second one under his lead; and the current state (people publicly moving to another platform and calling the others join in there) is a bit bad for the business...

Is it only me who finds these polls made by Elon just desperate attempts for advertising his new toy (yes, Twitter) and keep some action going on there?
I find a bit unlikely Elon will step down this quick - he might find some trick to get out of this dilemma he created for himself - and I also find it highly unlikely to make Twitter CEO people like Snowden or Snoop Dogg or others who would propose themselves as CEO.

He desperately needs a solution, especially after he "restored the freedom" and then started disallowing this and that (including the most visible thing: the links to competition), and a new CEO could be the salvation he needs. But, again, I have some doubts he will do it.

The only correct/hones thing in this shitshow is Elon's answer there:

OMG, LOL!
Well, anything else is better than Martingale
In this case, slowing down was already a huge step forward.

This is not a bad idea. It's an improvement/extrapolation of the bonus/malus system on the state level.
Of course, if one is caught some years later he didn't pay taxes or did murder somebody, then the wrongly received bonus needs to be taken back too.
And it makes overall sense because the good citizen give less work/headaches to "the state" than the others, hence they do save some money; it's fine that some returns to them.

Thanks for bringing back that post into attention, I could have been missing it. And it's ... a good/viable one.

There are campaign managers who may start ignoring your posts if it's almost only you discussing in a topic.
And yes, there are the many who just post something and move on.
These are both problems of the signature campaigns.

And I don't even talk about the "past page 5" area which in many cases becomes a meaningless mess.

But in a discussion it's good to wait for a third person's answer too sometimes, in order to prove your or thee other guy's point.
Or sometimes you or somebody else give the right answer and one simply doesn't have anything to add there.
And then instead of a not-really-valuable "You're right", people just move on, leaving topics look unfinished (although sometimes the merits on a posts tell the story).

So there are various cases and you seem to not care much into differentiating them in order to find some good directions (or even answers).
I tend to believe that Poker Player is right on this, especially as it's not the only topic you've made under this same format lately (I'd be happy to be wrong though).

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If you write into an old topic, you'll get a red "Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days." message on top of the edit box.


Indeed, there are some debate there now and then, or people can easier correct one another. Good point.

Actually you were overly lucky imho.
When I lose over a certain amount, I simply stop. And I play as usual some other time, maybe I recover some of the loses, maybe I don't.
However if you are focusing too much on recovering the loses, even if you "go slow" you have a very good chance to go deeper down.
Juist don't gamble more than you afford to lose and you'll be fine.

It's simple: if you don't own the private key, most probably the wallet is not yours, meaning it's not a wallet, it's an account and whatever happens in the underlying wallet is not important for you, as long as the account remains correctly funded.
And yes, in such cases, the address they give you it's not your address, it's a deposit address for your account.

You confuse cold storage with a wallet. Cold storage is pretty much a specific way to use a wallet.
Yes, Electrum is nice and easy to be used also as cold storage (meaning always offline, no matter what!), but... I am not sure you know or meant this, hence I recommend you read (much) more about cold storage.