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1521  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 23, 2018, 03:44:56 PM
6920 then 5200 then 6500 then capitulation around 3K in january 2019

With this difficulty there's close to 0% chance for ever getting back to $3000. Yes, electricity prices * difficulty are not directly correlated to BTC price, obviously, but no miner can afford to subsidize electricity costs to BTC network. You can not operate with a long terms loss, they will simply:
a) turn off the machines, or
b) stop dumping immediately what has being mined, making permanent bottom on break-even price level.

Guess which one is more likely to happen.

Bitmain just announced that it has finally developed a better ASIC chip. It will be 42J/TH. Bitfury also announce that they have a new ASIC chip which gets 55mW/GH. https://www.coindesk.com/bitmain-ceo-announces-new-7nm-bitcoin-mining-chip. I put in some figures, and it appears at the current difficulty and 5 cents/kwH price in China, that brings the electricity cost down to less than $1,500 USD to produce 1 BTC. If the difficulty doubles, it will still be less then $3000 USD to produce a BTC. And I suspect some of the larger mining farms in China are getting a better deal than 5 cents/kwH. Therefore, the break-even floor is going to be lowered.
However, I really don't think BTC is going to go much below 5000 USD. After all, Bitcoin core just patched up a major bug that was present for almost 2 years, and the market responded like it was just noise.  Cheesy
1522  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The duplicate input vulnerability shouldn't be forgotten on: September 23, 2018, 12:45:12 AM
I am uncertain how any miner would have been able to spread counterfeit coins effectively, since the other aspect of the bug was to cause nodes to crash.

Did you read the full disclosure? 0.14.x would always crash, but 0.15.0-0.16.2 could in some circumstances not crash, accepting the creation of counterfeit BTC as if it were normal.

I think that I am misunderstanding what exactly this means.

Quote
However, if the output being double-spent was created in a previous block, an entry will still remain in the CCoin map with the DIRTY flag set and having been marked as spent, resulting in no such assertion.

Are they talking about the double spend input, that uses a previously created UTXO? Or are the talking about the newly created UTXO that had two double spend inputs and now has a block built on top of it?

Edit: I understand this better now. This answer on slack helped clear things up for me.  https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/79481/how-does-the-most-recently-found-critical-vulnerability-cve-2018-17144-work
1523  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 22, 2018, 10:05:57 PM
That was another bear smashed. The dump was so quick and gone that my trailing stop did not even trigger  Shocked
Lucky me  Cool

But it seems like a sign that the market is rudderless but restless. Can’t afford not to be in it I think. Quite contrary to my personal sentiment, a rocket could be in the works.

This latest dump almost looks like a fat fingers error made in the margins market on Bitfinex. The amount of shorts on Bitfinex also spiked during the same minute and then it went down sharply in the next minute. I suppose the whale could have set a very tight stop loss. One could also blame it on spoofy, I suppose.
1524  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The duplicate input vulnerability shouldn't be forgotten on: September 22, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
If it had been exploited in a 0-day fashion, significant & widespread losses (due to acceptance of counterfeit BTC) would've been likely,

I am uncertain how any miner would have been able to spread counterfeit coins effectively, since the other aspect of the bug was to cause nodes to crash. Wouldn't this have hampered the transfer of coins on the renegade chain? The only strategy that I can see for an attacking miner would have been to implement shorts before the attack, and somehow close the shorts after the bad news has spread, but before the exchange(s) freeze the trading. They would then have to transfer the ill gotten funds off the exchange(s) in a hurry, before the victim exchange(s) caught on and froze their account.
1525  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 22, 2018, 02:57:02 PM
could the next 3 next weeks be critical??

No... In fact, I think the thing I am going to do is just put all my coin on 100x leverage and short. Put that away for a few weeks and don't even check up on it. I am sure this is a good strategy and I will be rich in a few weeks. No need for stop loss. Stop loss is for sissys.

https://youtu.be/FD0mrmmYaKQ

I know in the joke video, the victim longed the top; however, I suspect a 100x short, attempting to "short the top" has a good chance of the end result being the same. Especially, implementing the above procedures. Cheesy

I am glad someone actually got that reference hahaha. I love that video so much! I suppose I alterated the joke a bit to fit the current market. Although to be true, anyone who leverages at 100x is going to get rekt either way. The liquidation points are insane for such a volatile market.

There is no risk on using 100x leverage on a trade.... as soon as you have 80x the collateral to cover that specific trade and avoid being liquidated.... oh and you are longing, if you are shorting you can be rekt even in that case (although not probable in the short term).

Actually, with Bitmex fee structure, the odds are only ~ 5% against you at 100x if you are a maker on both open and close. If you are a taker on both the open and close, your odds are only approximately 15% against you. Hey, that's much better than Powerball or Megamillions.  Cheesy
1526  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: explain the bugs fixed with 0.16.3 version on: September 22, 2018, 02:46:10 PM

Thank you!!
I have some CLAM and I know it is a bitcoin clone, so I'll go to check in order to understand if my funds are safe

It appears Clam's last commit was in January 2017. This was before the vulnerability in Bitcoin Core was introduced. Your coins are safe.
1527  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 22, 2018, 02:31:46 PM
could the next 3 next weeks be critical??

No... In fact, I think the thing I am going to do is just put all my coin on 100x leverage and short. Put that away for a few weeks and don't even check up on it. I am sure this is a good strategy and I will be rich in a few weeks. No need for stop loss. Stop loss is for sissys.

https://youtu.be/FD0mrmmYaKQ

I know in the joke video, the victim longed the top; however, I suspect a 100x short, attempting to "short the top" has a good chance of the end result being the same. Especially, implementing the above procedures. Cheesy
1528  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: explain the bugs fixed with 0.16.3 version on: September 22, 2018, 01:52:11 PM
Please explain to me in simple word, what the important bug fixed with the new version could have done?

Plus I would like to know if the clone coins that basically copy paste the wallet code could be effected by the old bug.


Thank you very much

Any clone coin which forked off of Bitcoin core 0.14.x through 0.16.2, is probably affected. This also includes coins that update their code by porting over changes made by Bitcoin Core.
Here is one of the lines of code in the validation.cpp that needed to be patched. ( https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d1dee205473140aca34180e5de8b9bbe17c2207d?diff=split#diff-24efdb00bfbe56b140fb006b562cc70bL3035 )
 
Bug code:
Code:
if (!CheckTransaction(*tx, state, false))

Patched code:
Code:
if (!CheckTransaction(*tx, state, true))

You may want to go to a particular wallet's/coin's git to see if it's latest update has the buggy line of code in the validation.cpp. However, some wallet/coin devs tend to change the code slightly, so this check might not be foolproof.

I know for sure that Bitcoin ABC (BCH) and Litecoin implemented the patch. However, I am not certain about the 100's of other altcoins out there.
1529  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: September 22, 2018, 06:57:28 AM

Ok...but..what if
A group of miners, devs and a couple of exchanges might like the idea of inflated btc (maybe they already used it) and choose not to upgrade and more people stay on previous version.

Does that mean bitcoin core have put out a hardfork/spork and risk splitting away,(forking off) creating another btc with the highly difficult exploit removed..


What exchange is going to want a coin where a pool could basically double their coins every single block?  Cheesy Plus the exchange would basically have their node knocked offline when a block is found. This would then require them to rescan their hot wallet. Then when the next block is found, they would need to rescan again. The hot wallet would be in constant maintenance node.
well you just said they exploit is difficult to exploit lol
"The offending miner would have knocked all the other miners offline. Furthermore, it would be difficult for the pool to offload their extra coins, since most, if not all, exchanges also run a full node that would be knocked offline as well"

So the exchanges that keep previous version without the HF from bcore , it wont have to worry about it to much , will they?
oh also another reason they may keep it alive now that bcore has forked....FREE MONEY  Wink



The exploit chain is not going to be free money. With the knock offline aspect, the network would not be viable. The exploit chain is not usable.  Also, you are aware that Bitcoin ABC had to employ the patch too, right? It appears there are still over 700 Bitcoin ABC nodes that have not upgraded, yet. https://cash.coin.dance/nodes Fortunately, Bitcoin Unlimited did not need the patch because their code was originally forked off of Bitcoin core v 0.12.x

Edit: Since the majority of the hashrate has now switched to the patched code, any miner trying to invoke the vulnerability now is going to have their block orphaned. The only way that their chain will survive is if they further modify the code and implement replay protection.
1530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: September 22, 2018, 06:38:01 AM

Ok...but..what if
A group of miners, devs and a couple of exchanges might like the idea of inflated btc (maybe they already used it) and choose not to upgrade and more people stay on previous version.

Does that mean bitcoin core have put out a hardfork/spork and risk splitting away,(forking off) creating another btc with the highly difficult exploit removed..


What exchange is going to want a coin where a pool could basically double their coins every single block?  Cheesy Plus the exchange would basically have their node knocked offline when a block is found. This would then require them to rescan their hot wallet. Then when the next block is found, they would need to rescan again. The hot wallet would be in constant maintenance node. I suppose an exchange could get this to work if they run an spv wallet instead. However, I am not aware of any exchange that is willing to run their hot wallet in SPV mode.
1531  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: September 22, 2018, 06:15:16 AM
Segwetters ..... dont think all is ok with bitcoin yet....

This upgrade will not be as easy as they think...

worst case...
Another spilt for bitcoin is very very possible...
A group of miners, devs and a couple of exchanges might like the idea of inflated btc (maybe they already used it) and choose not to upgrade.
The split leads to bitcoin core having to move to a new ticker...
The inflated bug version remains as BTC with segwet an all...
Bitcoin core do the rollback!! on the new bitcoin core chain,  like theymos suggested.(rollback)
 (According to Theymos: "Even if the bug had been exploited to its full extent, the theoretical damage to stored funds would have been rolled back.") https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-core-developers-move-to-fix-denial-of-service-software-bug/

I think you need to do some more research on exactly how this exploit would have operated. The offending miner would have knocked all the other miners offline. Furthermore, it would be difficult for the pool to offload their extra coins, since most, if not all, exchanges also run a full node that would be knocked offline as well. I suppose the pool could find some sucker and do an OTC trade with.  Cheesy Also, the patch to the code would sufficiently "roll back" the chain since any miner running a node with the patch would orphan any chain that happens to be built upon a block that contains two duplicate inputs in the same transaction. (The bug happened because the core dev who originally coded in this "optimization" set the check for this transaction to false, when verifying a block.)

Here you can find exactly what line of code needed to be patched.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d1dee205473140aca34180e5de8b9bbe17c2207d?diff=split#diff-24efdb00bfbe56b140fb006b562cc70bL3035

Old code:
Code:
  3035      if (!CheckTransaction(*tx, state, false))


New code
Code:
 3035       if (!CheckTransaction(*tx, state, true))


Having a little chat with The Dude just now...

Lebowski -
Core disclosed the inflation bug after the majority of mining nodes were patched.
At the time of writing this, https://coin.dance/nodes reports that 75% of nodes are NOT patched.

Me-
https://coin.dance/nodes#nodeVersions /Satoshi:0.16.3 only 2104 nodes out of 9616 have upgraded, is this correct? if yes, then uh oh for bitcoin.

I suspect that the majority of the nodes that have not upgraded to the patch are hobby nodes. Any pool or exchange not upgrading their node deserves what may be coming their way.  By the way, only 283 out of 1083 of the Bitcoin ABC nodes have upgraded to the latest patch. https://cash.coin.dance/nodes (Bitcoin Unlimited didn't need the patch.)
1532  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 22, 2018, 12:37:33 AM
Short squeeze in action now





I follow @whalecalls on twitter and all I get is OKex info, How do I get this info?

1533  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 21, 2018, 01:29:25 PM
So Bitcoin Core has a devastating bug in the code since March 2017 Shocked Huh Also, it appears that every single shitcoin that forked off of Bitcoin core 14.0-16.3 is also going to have to patch things up. We really dodged a bullet here. Hope no other surprises are lurking in the code.  Roll Eyes


Seems a bit ironic that we get some fairly strong negative news about fundamental weakness in bitcoin (sloppy coding), and dodging a bullet, as you put it, bones, and then subsequent to that we get a $200 plus pump.  Hopefully, this is not a bull trap, but surely I can understand forcing the closing of some shorts, and also just a whole bitcoin market dynamic in which bitcoin can go through extended periods of doing the opposite of what seems logical.

Well, it appears that this bug could have only been implemented if a miner intentionally does it. This demonstrates that miners of BTC are simply not going to go out and look for vulnerabilities to exploit, which would most probably hurt the BTC price; and also, in the end, orphan all of the blocks that they found when implementing the bug.
1534  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: When Schnorr will be added? on: September 21, 2018, 01:17:18 PM
Looks like i misunderstood, however what if all miners use non-SegWit nodes, others use SegWit nodes and there's transaction from/to Bech32 address? AFAIK this will make such transaction never confirmed/included by miners.

If all of the miners decided to run non-Segwit nodes, I'm sure that would hurt the market value of BTC, and hurt their bottom line. I am sure there will eventually be at least one pool that will relent and go back to verifying segwit transactions. Or someone in this space will create a new pool that does run a segwit node. Since that pool would be paying out slightly more due to the transaction fees, many miners would switch to that pool. Other pools would probably be swayed to abandon their little boycott and start mining segwit tx again.

Interesting theory, but there are few things that i don't understand/agree,
1. Why would price of BTC hurt? I don't see anyone would dump Bitcoin (whether it's from pro-SegWit/anti-SegWit), unless they don't care about price of BTC/losses
I would think the fact that all of the miners are colluding to boycott segwit transactions would be considered bad news to traders.
2. I don't see correlation between SegWit transaction and higher fee transaction since SegWit have lower transaction size (which leads to less fees), unless SegWit supporters intentionally do that to attract people who actually don't care about the boycott OR block is far from full and mempool only contains SegWit transaction.


A pool verifying segwit transactions in their blocks would include both non-segwit and segwit transactions. The block would have more transaction and the total fee would be a little better than a pool that verifies non-segwit transactions only.

If A is the total fee of all of the non-segwit transactions and B is the total fee of the segwit transactions, then A+B>A.


1535  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 21, 2018, 04:18:46 AM
So Bitcoin Core has a devastating bug in the code since March 2017 Shocked Huh Also, it appears that every single shitcoin that forked off of Bitcoin core 14.0-16.3 is also going to have to patch things up. We really dodged a bullet here. Hope no other surprises are lurking in the code.  Roll Eyes
1536  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: September 21, 2018, 01:22:45 AM
Heres a look at the bcash chart

*snip*

blah blah blah trade at your own risk. Opinions are my own

dude, you have a dash masternode. obviously you hate bitcoin cash.

your analyzing a kraken chart of a 300k usd daily volume (literally the cost of a sale of 1 house in the USA).

its obvious that bitcoin cash will find a higher low and we arent there yet. we saw this around this time last year where it bottomed and found a new high. bitcoin cash is just over 1 year old and has way more merchant adoption/marketcap then Dash and (which is like 5 years older).
its still a much better built global p2p cash system. masternodes are literally an oligarchy. its not sustainable.

I did see the that dash billboard on the highway driving through caracas (not sure why considering mining is way more popular given the free electricity, a terrible investment for your masternode governance, its literally nicer than the nestle and polar billboards lol)

but still very happy to see that marketing.

My post had literally nothing to do with Dash.

Yeah, but your history is all in the dash fourm, including the masternode payout statistics. i just made the assumption. do you have a dash masternode? if so, your incentive is likely against bitcoin cash. hence the 'bcash chart'

LOL. The conclusion on the chart states this is bullish for Bitcoin Cash.
1537  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 20, 2018, 09:15:40 PM
Is the Van Eck the ‘important’ one or is there another on 30 Sept?

It's the "important" one. This recent announcement is stating that they are now officially considering this and want more comments from the public. They have a whole slew of questions at the end part that they want the public to answer. I will be surprised if they do not go ahead and delay, come 30 Sept. Quite frankly, I wish that they would just go ahead and deny and we would be done with it. Unfortunately, if they deny, I'm sure it will be appealed. It's pretty clear to me that the SEC wants to be assured that there is minimal market manipulation going on. Many of us here already highly suspect that their is lots of dirty pool being played in the BTC markets.

https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/cboebzx/2018/34-84231.pdf

If you don't wanna go through all that text, here's the short summary for you: VanEck SolidX ETF decision postponed
so that was the tiny dip.

Meh, looks like noise to me.
1538  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 20, 2018, 06:17:25 PM
Found an interesting comparison of crypto exchanges
Looks like BitMEX has one of the best fee ratings.. but they are still big  Roll Eyes



full https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_exchanges

Don't be fooled by the "low" Bitmex fee. That is the fee charged on the whole leveraged amount. So if someone goes 100x, they are actually paying 2.25 % maker and 7.5 % taker on their actual risked amount. (or something like that.) And that is only for one way in the trade. Eventually, you will want to close your position at some point and pay the fee again.
1539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [XDNA]Revolution in mining|POW|HEX algo|BitGun|T.N.T. [XDNA][ANN] on: September 20, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
7% is the truth of small things. Even if XDNA grows by 700%, I will not sell my coins. The potential of the project is so great. that I expect to get a big profit.
Now with such prices for all currencies such growth is simply unimaginable. With this growth, we will become millionaires. I'll be happy at that price.

A 700% rise would only bring the price to just above 16000 sats. Unfortunately, I personally would need a better rise than that to ROI. Although, that would be close. When this project started, I bought hash on hashnest to get enough coins for a Masternode. Unfortunately, I still am far from ROI. So, I am what you call a bagholder. Hope this goes to the moon.
1540  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: When Schnorr will be added? on: September 20, 2018, 05:39:36 PM

Those were arguments that the anti-SegWit people used, but they're not true:
 - SegWit's security doesn't depend on miners, but rather on the economy. (Otherwise the UASF attempt wouldn't have made any sense...)

Looks like i misunderstood, however what if all miners use non-SegWit nodes, others use SegWit nodes and there's transaction from/to Bech32 address? AFAIK this will make such transaction never confirmed/included by miners.


If all of the miners decided to run non-Segwit nodes, I'm sure that would hurt the market value of BTC, and hurt their bottom line. I am sure there will eventually be at least one pool that will relent and go back to verifying segwit transactions. Or someone in this space will create a new pool that does run a segwit node. Since that pool would be paying out slightly more due to the transaction fees, many miners would switch to that pool. Other pools would probably be swayed to abandon their little boycott and start mining segwit tx again.
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