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881  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Socialtournaments-A way to stop gambling addiction on: September 03, 2023, 07:51:32 PM
I have no idea how can free tournament help addicted gambler, afaik when someone is addicted (no matter what kind of addiction), he/she should start to leave anything related to the addiction.
Dont you think that it will not make them at all because they will still playing slot games although they do it without risking money?
Afaik it will not help them to reduce their addiction but it will only help them to spend less money for a while only, once the free tournament is over then they will continue with their own money.
To stop addiction effectively, gamblers should start from themselves by a great will to leave it step by step.

It's a massive stretch made by the user to sell Social Tournaments for some reason. Logically speaking there's no way these "free tournaments" are made to help the average gambler who's addicted to relinquish the bad behaviors in my opinion it even promotes it which is a massive kick in the balls for those people who wanted to quit gambling. I would agree with you too, there's no real solution to solving gambling addiction than quitting gambling outrightly.

Social tournaments is a massive free tournament for people who wanted to play but got no money to deposit at best, it's no end-all-be-all solution to gambling addiction and it will never be since it promotes the very thing that you're trying to quit in the first place.
882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your perception about crypto games? on: September 03, 2023, 07:32:57 PM
Nothing in particular. If you're talking about Play to Earn games that is. As you said they perform well during bull runs and are a little mellow afterwards, some even dying off. But I don't particularly harbor any form of hate nor love for such games. They are profitable for sure but if you're willing to spend 2 hours of your life grinding for crypto then might as well make it fun right? A lot of these games have nailed the earn aspect of the P2E equation, but none of them so far has successfully stuck with people during hard times because they never focused on the "play" aspect which is arguably more important than anything else. I have yet to see a crypto game that successfully enticed me more than the conventional "I'm gonna earn from playing this boring game so might as well" feeling that I get from them.
883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: China crackdown against gambling streaming on: September 01, 2023, 09:18:23 PM
they do this to spite their neighboring countries who are pretty much accepting of gambling and all other stuff. While there's logic and good intent behind banning gambling streams and illegal gambling operations, I have never seen a country like China go so far as to issue a crackdown on such operations which would probably cost millions of dollars to process. And while you are right about the part where their banning and crackdowns cause a massive cascade of negative eventualities in the market, it's not so consequential that the whole market wouldn't be able to recover because of it or something. If anything it's going to be a whole month of negativity, and then the next thing we know we've forgotten all about it already.
884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Behaviours of gamblers you dislike. on: September 01, 2023, 08:52:51 PM
What is the one behaviour you noticed in a gambler and  you dislike it? You don't need to have a reason for disliking it but you just do.

As for me I dislike when gamblers complain of their losses, meanwhile you hear them complain when they are getting winnings.

What about you, what do you dislike ?
Some of the things that I hate the most about gamblers is the fact that they don't know when to stop. Speaking from experience with dealing with gambling addiction and seeing it to some of my friends and colleagues it made me think how insufferable I am to deal with when I keep on pushing for gambling despite my friends' wishes. I know they mean good but in my head I was full of the bias that I only need to win one more and then I can stop. Basically the lack of control of some gamblers grinds my gears, cause it reminds me of the times when I was a little more stupid than I was currently.

Another would be those who read into a bet too much. They end up overthinking the most minuscule things and because of that, they lose all sense of reality and fall for easy death traps leading to them losing more money.
885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Socialtournaments-A way to stop gambling addiction on: September 01, 2023, 08:37:41 PM
I don't know if many of you knows SocialTournaments where they hold free tournaments with different types,maximum multiplier,total points score and other related slot machines tournament,they are managed by Pragmatic Play provider and it is a way to invite people to gambling but I see it as an alternative to people who are addicted,they can stop the addiction as they offer enough daily,weekly and monthly tournaments to keep you entertained without you spending any money and if you are in luck and get the biggest multiplier or biggest score you even win real money to your account which you can withdraw to your crypto wallets.

I am in no way affiliated with them and you need big KYC,Proof of Address,National ID and Proof of Wallet to get your money.Do you think this platform can help people remove addiction,I think it can be a big boost to do so.
That's one way to look at it at least. But for the most part tournaments like these are made to entice people to play the real thing. With the notion that "if I could get this much money without paying for anything, how much more will I be able to rake in if I start investing money into it now yeah?" Which doesn't have to be expressed any further, is a big contributor to gambling addiction. To me the surefire way for you to be able to stop gambling altogether is to just quit it, it's not something like smoking or alcohol that you should gradually quit to be successful, cause with gambling addiction, the more time you spend gambling the more you're getting reeled into it. The best way is to just quit it entirely and not involve yourself with anything that remotely resembles gambling, even these tournaments.
886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Has your Responsible Gambling had any of these Effects on You? on: August 31, 2023, 11:42:09 PM
This is not a case of being addicted to gambling. There are people who are actually in control of their gambling habits or addiction. For instance, they do not gamble beyond their budget; they commit an hour or two to gambling per week or twice per week and strictly adhere to it, among all other things. We have heard and read stories here and out there about how gambling ruins lives, careers, relationships, throws people into debt and more. But my question is, could this be happening to everybody? Has your responsible gambling habit had any positive effects on your relationships with your spouse, kids, parents, and others? Has it improved your finances and helped you stay out of debt? Has it improved your mental health and well being in anyway? Has it been able to help you meet an urgent need? Let's discuss.

"could this be happening to everybody?".

Honestly, I don't have an answer to the first point you asked. The problem is, everyone, even gamblers, have their own way of understanding and responding to gambling itself for them. I will take a real example that happened in my immediate environment, I have a friend he is a businessman. Having a fairly well-established business, he also has a hobby of gambling. the man I'm talking about here, has a sizable amount of money from the business he runs.
in theory my friend could gamble with a big bankroll if he wanted to. but the fact is, he only gambled with a small bankroll. In fact, even if he loses every day from gambling, it will not harm his business. this example, breaks the first point you questioned. that what my friend did, was purely for fun. if he loses, he can come back to do it another time, without having to chase losses, borrow money, or even damage his relationships, career/business.

Second point, for me this is a little ambiguous. I don't know how to answer that. The problem is, for me gambling is purely for personal entertainment, it has nothing to do with the positive impact on my partner, let alone my children. I do it purely for entertainment, without having to harm other parties, especially harming my partner, children, or even family. and if I may answer according to my version, the positive impact is none other than not harming anyone, in fact I did not miss the responsibility to fulfill basic household needs.
Great point. A lot of us here have gambling embedded into our lives and psyche so much that we are justifying its existence in our lifestyle beyond the conventional “entertainment”.  OP could be a clear example of this as he’s looking for a positive side to gambling which frankly speaking, there is none. The fact that gambling could be so easily replaced by anything that remotely resembles a hobby, plus the notion that gambling is an inherently dangerous venture to be in are just the tip of the iceberg in this “gambling has no positives” train. People fail to consider that there doesn’t have to be a reason for anything just so you can justify its existence in your life. Gambling is just one of those things.

It’s not ambiguous to ask if there’s any upsides to gambling, it’s just hard to answer cause there is none in the first place.
887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots with the purchase of bonus games - is it good or bad? on: August 31, 2023, 11:15:15 PM
Bonus buy is a good feature in slots, it is the time that a gambler can win the most. One thing I have noticed about the bonus buy is that they are not cheap, but with it you have high chance to win a big bonus.

In gambling, always know that you should use little amount of money that you can afford to lose to gamble even if you want to go for bonus buy. Bonus buy can be from from 50 or 60 dollars or more.
If that what makes you profitable in slots and you think you’re capable enough, then why not? After all, as long as you still manage your finances well and you never cross with your limits in gambling, then that’s fine. Bonus buy will give you opportunities for a bigger win, but still do it with caution. It’s not all the time that you should go for bonuses, but also take time to limit your expenses some times especially if you are on a frequent loss. Spending much does not guarantee for a big win. Slots gambling is still a game of luck, so never spend all your wealth in order to maximize your profits. At the end of the day, the house will always have the higher chances to win.
That's a little optimistic isn't it? For the most part you don't even feel the bonus that you bought. You're literally spending money on something that doesn't give you any form of benefit or value from the purchase thereof. That's why I don't buy bonuses. Plus as I said in my previous comments, most of the time you'd make the most out of these bonus buys by playing more, which is a little counterintuitive considering we guys are out here promoting healthy gambling within a special limit. If we're out here pushing for wins and massive gains we gotta do that tradeoff otherwise we're just literally wasting money over something trivial. No hate on people who buys these bonuses, nor to slots that sell them since after all it does work up to a certain guarantee, but if you're someone who's gambling on a budget then this is just not for you.
888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: August 31, 2023, 10:53:54 PM
The big question was whether Trump would benefit from the conviction drama or not. And I guess we have the definite answer by now. An array of opinion pollsters are now showing Donald Trump with a big lead over Joe Biden in nation-wide polling. The one from Emerson puts Trump at 46%, compared to 44% for Biden, while the poll from New York Post has Trump ahead by 3 points (Biden-41%, Trump-44%). Biden had a comfortable lead two weeks ago, but the situation has now reversed. Still, it would be premature to reach a conclusion. We need to wait for a few more weeks to see whether the poll numbers stay the same.
Could paint him as the hero or not, to his die-hard fans, it sure would portray him as some beaten hero that needs the public's outcry to be released and be allowed to serve again. To everyone who has a little bit of common sense left to them, they'd see this candidacy of his as the spitting image of disrespect to American democracy. How great would it be for someone that's a convicted individual to have a place in the highest seat of power in the country?

If things go well, which they rarely do, we might see a new face in the white house, if not then I guess every country that is america or is allied to it is fucked royally, no way around it honestly.
889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will the transfers to the Saudi league become a problem for European football? on: August 31, 2023, 10:40:24 PM
It would be for sure. They are reeling in powerhouses of players which will definitely show in the performance of European Football moving forward. It would even affect its viewership since now, if you want to watch your idols play you'd have to tune in to the Saudi League instead of waiting for these new bloods from the European League to ripen up and be on par with the veterans. In any case this doesn't mean that the European League is done for. It's well established enough to suffer such defeat so I think the transfer of these players to newer leagues would incite major hiccups in the viewership and performance of the European League, but overtime the skill and anticipation of the people will catch up with it again.
890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Hypothetical Question on: August 31, 2023, 10:21:26 PM
Would I have known that it is a guaranteed win? The fact that you'd have to trust the person's best intentions about it is already a dealbreaker for me, but at the same time I may humor the idea especially if it's someone who was able to prove that what they are trying to say is indeed true. In which case, I may gamble all my bankroll for that bet and take my winnings, however high they must be. Losses are off the table anyway and the only thing that's preventing me from getting that win is the confidence to trust in someone I barely know. Otherwise if they weren't able to prove their credibility by showing me past eventualities or at least evidences that lead me to think that they are correct, I'm inclined to not believe them and not gamble. I still would humor the idea and I may put in a couple hundred dollars on it though.
891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Importance of Gambling to the society on: August 31, 2023, 09:56:55 PM
In general, gambling is not important for society because basically it will have a negative impact and harm yourself and other people around you, but on the contrary, if a country legalizes gambling, it will actually benefit that country, because of the possible taxes that bookies have to pay to the government.
However, it is different if the gambler is said to be a professional gambler, it is very likely that he always gets lucky or wins and loses a little.
Like exactly. There's no real inherent benefit to gambling since if it's entertainment you're looking for you pretty much have other available options at the table, some of which does not involve spending real money for that matter. Some people may argue that the reason why it is so beneficial is because of the taxes that it rakes in and puts to the government funds but I argue that you could pretty much replace gambling with anything that's taxable and nothing will change with the way taxes are carried out in your country.

Gambling is something that we did out of boredom to cheat our peers out of their own money in the past. When casinos came in they were made with the thought in mind of cheating two people at the same time so you can earn more money. With these notions in mind I don't think you could particularly call gambling "beneficial" .
892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots with the purchase of bonus games - is it good or bad? on: August 31, 2023, 09:42:24 PM
You bombard create threads with the same context, namely casino, profit loss and slot machines. I don't know what your goal is Instead of focusing on discussing it in one thread, why do you have to make it a lot? while the target of the discussion will refer to the same assumptions. If in case it can be discussed in the same thread please don't make it again. We know what you have to say, but it would be nice if you kept one thread created and active there for the full discussion.

Do the size and frequency of online casino winnings depend on the time of year?
Constant wins in the casino for several days, then constant losses. Noticed?!
honestly great eye for catching this one. I didn't know it was him who's doing all these threads here, although I don't really agree with "discussing it in one thread" as these topics have their differences when you dig deeper.
I tried the bonus purchase feature on slots, but mostly I only got bad results and I often even lost money. But when I do regular spins, sometimes I actually get quite a lot of money from multiplication of 25x to 50x. I often see people get multiplied above 100x on buying these bonuses, but I've never felt it myself. So maybe I'm out of luck and I'd rather do that regular spin for now.
I feel like these "bonuses" are more of a death trap than something that you'd really be able to use to get more wins. For instance you must have a lot of spins for these bonuses to even do their magic as if you stick with your regular bankroll you're sure to lose a lot of money from the spins and the bonus purchase. Another would be the fact that they cost money too, which goes towards the casinos, and while I like the prospect of winning more, in this case it doesn't really make sense especially since I'm only gambling for entertainment only.
893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Has your Responsible Gambling had any of these Effects on You? on: August 31, 2023, 09:24:32 PM
I was a belligerent gambler back then as any newb in the industry. I'd usually go for gambling sessions that span hours on end, sometimes even going so far as to take some of my own money from the weekly budget even though I already set gambling limits altogether. Back then I knew this wasn't the right thing and I should stop but I didn't have a concrete plan of how to do so back then, and when I did, it made all the difference for me. Suddenly it's much easier to exert discipline on myself, I was able to stop spending so much money on gambling and redirect those expenditures to more important spends like my hobbies and shit, and was even able to touch grass every now and again which is something I exclusively couldn't do since I had to sit in front of my computer all day to gamble.
894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIBA 2023 World Cup Prediction Thread on: August 30, 2023, 11:41:01 PM
With how laughable the Philippines are performing in the game that they themselves are hosting, it’s safe to say that they are outclassed in the game that they pool millions of pesos for, and they are not going to bag any gold medals nor be part of any major international tournaments moving forward. Poor performance, coaching from one of the most senile people on the planet, and just downright lukewarm players that are in there cause of hype and nothing else to back that hype for are just the tip of this disappointment iceberg. I would say I hope things change and their team performs better in future games but I can’t bring myself to believe in them anymore. It’s just so disappointing watching “professional” players play the ball game like they are high school students in tryouts.
895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do the size and frequency of online casino winnings depend on the time of year? on: August 30, 2023, 10:21:40 PM
In theory this should coincide with the months/times when more people are expected to gamble. And though that could be arbitrary for the most part, holidays like Christmas and Valentine's Day could push people to gamble due to the pressure of buying people their respective gifts and trinkets. As for me personally, I found that I still win more when I gamble more, but on that note I also lose more that just counteracts against each other leading to a net profit of 0. For the most part the only surefire way for you to really win big in casinos is to play their game. If you don't or if you play less you can expect to not get the jackpot or not attain higher prizes, that's just the way things go. No rocket science behind it or whatever.
896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Still not a safe practice even if it works on: August 30, 2023, 10:02:20 PM
I don't use VPNs for stuff like that. It's just counterintuitive especially when it comes to dealing with centralized crypto casinos like stake, they'd literally ask you for identification including a proof of residency, there's no point in "using a VPN to throw them off" when your static IP stays the same all throughout. I'm not saying you should stop using VPNs altogether, as they work really well if you're looking for content that is region blocked like movies on netflix and whatnot, but beyond that? I don't see any good reason really.

For one it just slows your internet connection down since now it has to be rerouted into a proxy server before you could do your normal google searching, on the other hand it's a massive hassle to work with even if it just takes "one click".
897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Five Ways Bitcoin is Changing the Sports Betting Game on: August 30, 2023, 09:35:43 PM
The first part is tough to say because some exchanges charge way bigger fees than other exchanges so you'll sometimes be surprised at how much you'll have to pay after buying BTC from some of these popular exchanges.

The fourth way is only accurate for a couple of crypto sportsbooks. Lower or free withdrawal fees on crypto sportsbooks won't always encourage them to reduce the juice or house edge on their lines overall. They would even start to juice their lines compared to before because of how big they are and no one would mention it.
In paper, it's definitely way cheaper processing payments and fund transfers through bitcoin than any other cryptocurrency on the market. The only thing that really breaks this is the fact that there are crunch times that causes bitcoin's transaction fees to drive up. But for the most part, and I can say this with 100% certainty, you'd get the fastest and cheapest rates on bitcoin than with other forms of payment channels, so OP's first statement stands by a long shot.

The fourth reason is also plausible. For the most part bitcoin casinos are provably fair, so they are very reliable and trustworthy when it comes to game outcomes and processing of eventualities. And while provably fair could be cheated with, it's so hard to do so that you might as well just use the model fair and square instead.
898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Constant wins in the casino for several days, then constant losses. Noticed?! on: August 30, 2023, 09:02:51 PM
I have not noticed something similar which happened to me once. I was having a very good streak until the bad luck caught up on me and I could not win anymore, in my case it was a matter of hours, not days.

Even though I am tempted to call it a pattern like you, those games I played were probably fair, so it is more likely all these phenomena you are describing are just a mix of coincidences and you personal tendency to try to find patterns in order to increase your profits. Human history is full of examples of patterns which though to be true and absolute, but over time we realize it was all an illusion set by our own ignorance and we created superstitions based on those patterns.
Yup. People fail to attribute losses to themselves, when in the first place, they wouldn't be acting all iffy and suspect like that if they were winning constantly! The fact that gamblers attribute loss streaks as "patterns" that lead them to believe the casino's pulling a fast one on them is just funny to me, and at the same time a surefire sign for me of someone who is addicted to gambling through and through. It's one thing to be suspicious when things are suspicious indeed, it's another to just blame all the losses to the casino or look for patterns where there are not in the name of justifying that your losses are unwarranted. If you can't take losses like that which comes to every gambler by the way, then might as well not gamble in the first place!
899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Predictions and Trends for Crypto Gambling in 2024 on: August 30, 2023, 08:44:58 PM
not sure how this "fork" you're talking about is going to happen when decentralized crypto casinos already exist and they fare pretty well user-base-wise. Fork only happens when a specific niche need isn't being met by the current market standards, but as in the case with crypto gambling, the need is already met and it's just up for the people to huddle upon it and play. Plus fork only happens on crypto tokens, how can you fork a concept exactly?

While I think you're onto something with these predictions, I don't think these things you specifically mentioned will come to reality, just because they aren't possible within the same stretch of reality that we're in. In any case. why not? right?
900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Glitches still affects online casinos? Or it's the casinos that sucks on: August 30, 2023, 08:20:58 PM
While it was a frustrating experience for that matter, I don't think it's something that is debilitating cause for the most part, casinos and games issue refunds and moneyback returns when their games freeze or glitches occur, which means that you can get back to betting and playing slots again if you wish to. It's annoying at best, and for superstitious gamblers like some they may take it as a sign of bad luck or the casino duping them into getting into a lose streak, but at the end of the day you come in gambling knowing that the odds are never in your favor, at the very least when you're dealing with online casinos the least you could do is expect for things like this to come up every now and again no matter how "revolutionary and state of the art" a casino's technology is.
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