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1901  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 03, 2019, 09:00:39 AM
Pure speculation without any use, "intrinsive" valeu is just poison. Nothing substancial...

In spite of the typos, this is the most accurate summary of BSV I've ever read.

Good. We know ur comprehension capabilities very accurate for long time now.

BSV has just all the other values u ll never get

1902  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: October 03, 2019, 08:58:21 AM
Roll Eyes You're trolling.

Newbies, in reality there are barriers to scaling. It can't scale on-chain without centralizing the network, and giving up some of its actual value proposition, which is censorship-resistance.

gotta love that comedy.
so developers say no to developing onchain scaling.. sniff sniff, smells like they are censoring community needs/desires


Who's censoring? How can it be censored? There's a person out there who is saying his coin is Bitcoin for crying out loud. He has bitcoin.com, /r/btc, and had the @bitcoin Twitter account promoting that his coin is Bitcoin.

Community needs/desires? You make it look like that the WHOLE community wanted big blocks. Plus you said that Bitcoin "bilaterally split" into Core and Cash. Which one does the community want/the market want?

more comedy gold.
trying to say bitcoin cant scale because of physics..[facepalm]
scaling is about timely growth, which physics actually proves is possible.
whats not possible is huge single leap to an impossibly large number.


Roll Eyes

What have I been telling you? Bitcoin can't simply increase the block size without scaling in/centralizing the network. But users shouldn't run full nodes, so it's OK, right?

it can simply increase the blocksize actually.. todays technology is far more superier than the requirements of 1mb base
yes i said todays tech. oh and it only costs $50 for such tech

centralising the network?? how...  go on say that scripted joke, you know th one, the one your friend told you about servers..
..
my response: people will run full nodes on home devices
again
my response: people will run full nodes on home devices


Not when the network increases its block size whenever a demanding minority wants, preventing it from scaling out, increasing costs.

For decentralization, Bitcoin's main value proposition, static node requirements are better for the network eventually.


There are no "non- mining full nodes". This is some creative non sense that u just repeat.

U try to teach ppl their e banking client can do much. Sure u can validate what ur bank s server calculated for u. As miners do for ur wallet. But u can only shout and run to miners if ur client cannot follow the protocol.


The UASF begs to differ, and to see that it started as the minority that the majority followed.

I hope u remember how the voting / signaling for segwit worked. Even that without the 2x promise it d ve never ever happened.

Uasf is sooo lol and shows u re all in for trolling


You're clearly trying too hard to mislead the readers by acting like that. But if you believe it's making me angry, it's not. I'm very happy to reply with the facts for everyone to read.

Newbies, learn your history, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/long-road-segwit-how-bitcoins-biggest-protocol-upgrade-became-reality

Cool

No prove that proof of raspi did anything. Just simply PoSM


You say "no proof", but you cannot disprove the movement. Segwit activation through the initiative of the UASF is proof enough.

Quote

Mislead newbees to finance ur dumb btc ponzi.


Cannot be taken seriously, especially from a person who misleads everyone, and say that "Craig Wright is Satoshi". You have lost.

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Sane ppl know all that or find it out in a day of due dilligence


Cool

Nope

The only kick for activation came from the 2x promise / NYA.

Wanting to ignore this makes u full retard ponzi scammer.



This is proof
1903  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: October 02, 2019, 09:30:28 PM
Bump, Craig is a fraud.

I see him rather catching all the anno and anarcho frauds who try to do all sorts of illegal stuff with crypto

No wonder they hate him and want him to be called out...

1904  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: October 02, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
BSV is not a speculative coin
No more worrying about the price.
It will become more and more clear.

BSV (Bitcoinsv) No immediate payment waiting Additional information 10/2
https://www.xn--bitcoinsv-jj7p186e.com/2019/10/bsvbitcoinsv10.html

Pure speculation without any use, "intrinsive" valeu is just poison. Nothing substancial...


Trolls just too lazy or dumb to get that and able to inject permanent PoW into real usage (except ponzi ...)
1905  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: October 02, 2019, 12:54:52 PM
Roll Eyes You're trolling.

Newbies, in reality there are barriers to scaling. It can't scale on-chain without centralizing the network, and giving up some of its actual value proposition, which is censorship-resistance.

gotta love that comedy.
so developers say no to developing onchain scaling.. sniff sniff, smells like they are censoring community needs/desires


Who's censoring? How can it be censored? There's a person out there who is saying his coin is Bitcoin for crying out loud. He has bitcoin.com, /r/btc, and had the @bitcoin Twitter account promoting that his coin is Bitcoin.

Community needs/desires? You make it look like that the WHOLE community wanted big blocks. Plus you said that Bitcoin "bilaterally split" into Core and Cash. Which one does the community want/the market want?

more comedy gold.
trying to say bitcoin cant scale because of physics..[facepalm]
scaling is about timely growth, which physics actually proves is possible.
whats not possible is huge single leap to an impossibly large number.


Roll Eyes

What have I been telling you? Bitcoin can't simply increase the block size without scaling in/centralizing the network. But users shouldn't run full nodes, so it's OK, right?

it can simply increase the blocksize actually.. todays technology is far more superier than the requirements of 1mb base
yes i said todays tech. oh and it only costs $50 for such tech

centralising the network?? how...  go on say that scripted joke, you know th one, the one your friend told you about servers..
..
my response: people will run full nodes on home devices
again
my response: people will run full nodes on home devices


Not when the network increases its block size whenever a demanding minority wants, preventing it from scaling out, increasing costs.

For decentralization, Bitcoin's main value proposition, static node requirements are better for the network eventually.


There are no "non- mining full nodes". This is some creative non sense that u just repeat.

U try to teach ppl their e banking client can do much. Sure u can validate what ur bank s server calculated for u. As miners do for ur wallet. But u can only shout and run to miners if ur client cannot follow the protocol.


The UASF begs to differ, and to see that it started as the minority that the majority followed.

I hope u remember how the voting / signaling for segwit worked. Even that without the 2x promise it d ve never ever happened.

Uasf is sooo lol and shows u re all in for trolling


You're clearly trying too hard to mislead the readers by acting like that. But if you believe it's making me angry, it's not. I'm very happy to reply with the facts for everyone to read.

Newbies, learn your history, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/long-road-segwit-how-bitcoins-biggest-protocol-upgrade-became-reality

Cool

No prove that proof of raspi did anything. Just simply PoSM

Mislead newbees to finance ur dumb btc ponzi.

Sane ppl know all that or find it out in a day of due dilligence
1906  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: October 01, 2019, 05:50:49 AM
Roll Eyes You're trolling.

Newbies, in reality there are barriers to scaling. It can't scale on-chain without centralizing the network, and giving up some of its actual value proposition, which is censorship-resistance.

gotta love that comedy.
so developers say no to developing onchain scaling.. sniff sniff, smells like they are censoring community needs/desires


Who's censoring? How can it be censored? There's a person out there who is saying his coin is Bitcoin for crying out loud. He has bitcoin.com, /r/btc, and had the @bitcoin Twitter account promoting that his coin is Bitcoin.

Community needs/desires? You make it look like that the WHOLE community wanted big blocks. Plus you said that Bitcoin "bilaterally split" into Core and Cash. Which one does the community want/the market want?

more comedy gold.
trying to say bitcoin cant scale because of physics..[facepalm]
scaling is about timely growth, which physics actually proves is possible.
whats not possible is huge single leap to an impossibly large number.


Roll Eyes

What have I been telling you? Bitcoin can't simply increase the block size without scaling in/centralizing the network. But users shouldn't run full nodes, so it's OK, right?

it can simply increase the blocksize actually.. todays technology is far more superier than the requirements of 1mb base
yes i said todays tech. oh and it only costs $50 for such tech

centralising the network?? how...  go on say that scripted joke, you know th one, the one your friend told you about servers..
..
my response: people will run full nodes on home devices
again
my response: people will run full nodes on home devices


Not when the network increases its block size whenever a demanding minority wants, preventing it from scaling out, increasing costs.

For decentralization, Bitcoin's main value proposition, static node requirements are better for the network eventually.


There are no "non- mining full nodes". This is some creative non sense that u just repeat.

U try to teach ppl their e banking client can do much. Sure u can validate what ur bank s server calculated for u. As miners do for ur wallet. But u can only shout and run to miners if ur client cannot follow the protocol.


The UASF begs to differ, and to see that it started as the minority that the majority followed.

I hope u remember how the voting / signaling for segwit worked. Even that without the 2x promise it d ve never ever happened.

Uasf is sooo lol and shows u re all in for trolling
1907  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: September 29, 2019, 02:07:52 PM
bitcoin is a store of value. as it first needs to be a store of value to then be a medium of exchange.
by this i mean if having no value, people wont want to exchange it.


I'm not trolling, OK? But I believe we debated about this before, and you said that Bitcoin should be a medium of exchange first to be valuable, and that because of small blocks, Bitcoin cannot be a medium of exchange. Or am I confused?

It must be 'easy' exchangable to get value at all - if u cannot transfer, nobody wants it / can handle it -> useless Wink

Bitcoin should be P2P cash - per definition.  so it should be free to transfer


But if no one wants to hold it, no one would accept it as a medium of exchange. "Medium of exchange" is not only for its sake. It also has to be a store of value, for later use as a medium of exchange. Cool



We know, it is chicken & egg.

But Bitcoin is fully digital / electronic

So it MUST be the cheapest and easy medium of exchange - it's purely intuitive and it is even TOP LEVEL ADVERTISED as the NEW  e-cash

so what is the issue ? BTC is not  Bitcoin and money any more - it cannot be a store of value for its only sake  Wink


I would say yes to all of that, if the technical solution was as easy as increasing the block size to increase transaction throughput, BUT without preventing the network from scaling out.


Bitcoin was designed to be digital - it does not need artificial barriers - it can do, what computers can do - so let it do - it is honest by design


 Roll Eyes You're trolling.

Newbies, in reality there are barriers to scaling. It can't scale on-chain without centralizing the network, and giving up some of its actual value proposition, which is censorship-resistance.

If u are losing on arguments, u go name calling?


Did I call you names? No. Is that your way to end the debate? I said you're trolling.

Quote

Nope, scaling means real scaling, and not little ( by little Joe, little RasPI,...)


In the real world, by real, in this dimension, no one can go around the laws of physics.

Quote

Miners have done this step already, they have invested and installed high tech level network over the past years, in a still enough decentral way, and that is as industrial grade scaling has to be done for global networks,
Nothing new.

It stays decentral enough over time cause competition is maximum open and everyone can build high level efficient mining equipment and join every time, that will challenge any monopoly over long term. Perfect open rotation.


Because they had to specialize, or be left behind mining with inefficient hardware, and mine at a loss.

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Little joe RasPI pies were never ever of relevance, they only run their wallet clients, when miners run the server farms, as Satoshi designed it.

Meh


Non-mining full nodes validate, they are as part of the network as the nodes the miners connect to. Some miners don't run their own full nodes anymore. Plus why would you tell everyone not to? Is that your whole debate for big blocks? "Because the community doesn't have to run their own full nodes"?


There are no "non- mining full nodes". This is some creative non sense that u just repeat.

U try to teach ppl their e banking client can do much. Sure u can validate what ur bank s server calculated for u. As miners do for ur wallet. But u can only shout and run to miners if ur client cannot follow the protocol.

Nice trolling from u though
1908  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: September 28, 2019, 09:01:30 AM
bitcoin is a store of value. as it first needs to be a store of value to then be a medium of exchange.
by this i mean if having no value, people wont want to exchange it.


I'm not trolling, OK? But I believe we debated about this before, and you said that Bitcoin should be a medium of exchange first to be valuable, and that because of small blocks, Bitcoin cannot be a medium of exchange. Or am I confused?

It must be 'easy' exchangable to get value at all - if u cannot transfer, nobody wants it / can handle it -> useless Wink

Bitcoin should be P2P cash - per definition.  so it should be free to transfer


But if no one wants to hold it, no one would accept it as a medium of exchange. "Medium of exchange" is not only for its sake. It also has to be a store of value, for later use as a medium of exchange. Cool



We know, it is chicken & egg.

But Bitcoin is fully digital / electronic

So it MUST be the cheapest and easy medium of exchange - it's purely intuitive and it is even TOP LEVEL ADVERTISED as the NEW  e-cash

so what is the issue ? BTC is not  Bitcoin and money any more - it cannot be a store of value for its only sake  Wink


I would say yes to all of that, if the technical solution was as easy as increasing the block size to increase transaction throughput, BUT without preventing the network from scaling out.


Bitcoin was designed to be digital - it does not need artificial barriers - it can do, what computers can do - so let it do - it is honest by design


 Roll Eyes You're trolling.

Newbies, in reality there are barriers to scaling. It can't scale on-chain without centralizing the network, and giving up some of its actual value proposition, which is censorship-resistance.

If u are losing on arguments, u go name calling?

Nope, scaling means real scaling, and not little ( by little Joe, little RasPI,...)

Miners have done this step already, they have invested and installed high tech level network over the past years, in a still enough decentral way, and that is as industrial grade scaling has to be done for global networks,
Nothing new.

It stays decentral enough over time cause competition is maximum open and everyone can build high level efficient mining equipment and join every time, that will challenge any monopoly over long term. Perfect open rotation.

Little joe RasPI pies were never ever of relevance, they only run their wallet clients, when miners run the server farms, as Satoshi designed it.

Meh
1909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: September 27, 2019, 08:15:52 PM
BSV works great. Original BitCoin it is, feels 2011

Smiley
Will soon match 2011 BTC prices at this rate lol

Who cares price? We care about use and stability of protocol first.

Price might follow . Not really relevant for non ponzi supporters

Potential is here

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/comments/d9c2vl/a_nontechnical_explanation_of_the_enormous/



LMAO:

Who cares if investors care ?

Who cares is the project can earn enough money ?

Who cares if the project econimy is sustainable ?

Who cares if there are not enough users ?


That's called desillusion mode.

U are in such. Seek a lightening

https://www.cliffordchance.com/hubs/regulatory-investigations-financial-crime-insights/our-insights/hm-treasury-considers-gold-plating-5mld-requirements-for-cryptos.html

Read.

Say bye to btc ln segshit
1910  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: September 27, 2019, 09:13:02 AM
bitcoin is a store of value. as it first needs to be a store of value to then be a medium of exchange.
by this i mean if having no value, people wont want to exchange it.


I'm not trolling, OK? But I believe we debated about this before, and you said that Bitcoin should be a medium of exchange first to be valuable, and that because of small blocks, Bitcoin cannot be a medium of exchange. Or am I confused?

It must be 'easy' exchangable to get value at all - if u cannot transfer, nobody wants it / can handle it -> useless Wink

Bitcoin should be P2P cash - per definition.  so it should be free to transfer


But if no one wants to hold it, no one would accept it as a medium of exchange. "Medium of exchange" is not only for its sake. It also has to be a store of value, for later use as a medium of exchange. Cool



We know, it is chicken & egg.

But Bitcoin is fully digital / electronic

So it MUST be the cheapest and easy medium of exchange - it's purely intuitive and it is even TOP LEVEL ADVERTISED as the NEW  e-cash

so what is the issue ? BTC is not  Bitcoin and money any more - it cannot be a store of value for its only sake  Wink


I would say yes to all of that, if the technical solution was as easy as increasing the block size to increase transaction throughput, BUT without preventing the network from scaling out.

Bitcoin was designed to be digital - it does not need artificial barriers - it can do, what computers can do - so let it do - it is honest by design
1911  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 27, 2019, 08:55:21 AM
I disagree on your interpretation of “relatively high”.  Weekly RSI is about 45 and falling.   Historically the only time we get under 45 Weekly RSI is during the significant bottoming events in January 2015 and December 2018.  I would say 45 Weekly RSI is “relatively low”.

To get much further down you have to assume a capitulation event. We already had our capitulation this cycle.  Am not convinced we need a second one this cycle.   During the 2013 first crash we never got below 48 Weekly RSI.



A log(USD) plot would be better to see, esp for early time frame
1912  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: September 27, 2019, 08:41:20 AM
bitcoin is a store of value. as it first needs to be a store of value to then be a medium of exchange.
by this i mean if having no value, people wont want to exchange it.


I'm not trolling, OK? But I believe we debated about this before, and you said that Bitcoin should be a medium of exchange first to be valuable, and that because of small blocks, Bitcoin cannot be a medium of exchange. Or am I confused?

It must be 'easy' exchangable to get value at all - if u cannot transfer, nobody wants it / can handle it -> useless Wink

Bitcoin should be P2P cash - per definition.  so it should be free to transfer


But if no one wants to hold it, no one would accept it as a medium of exchange. "Medium of exchange" is not only for its sake. It also has to be a store of value, for later use as a medium of exchange. Cool



We know, it is chicken & egg.

But Bitcoin is fully digital / electronic

So it MUST be the cheapest and easy medium of exchange - it's purely intuitive and it is even TOP LEVEL ADVERTISED as the NEW  e-cash

so what is the issue ? BTC is not  Bitcoin and money any more - it cannot be a store of value for its only sake  Wink
1913  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 27, 2019, 07:06:36 AM

had to log in to merit this gem. after all we are talking about shitcoins. don´t know if it possible to sum up shitcoinery in one meme in a better way.

Lol  the 'Sharding' of Ethereum  - such a DAO
1914  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: September 26, 2019, 06:03:28 PM
BSV works great. Original BitCoin it is, feels 2011

Smiley
Will soon match 2011 BTC prices at this rate lol

Who cares price? We care about use and stability of protocol first.

Price might follow . Not really relevant for non ponzi supporters

Potential is here

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/comments/d9c2vl/a_nontechnical_explanation_of_the_enormous/

1915  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: September 26, 2019, 02:24:41 PM
bitcoin is a store of value. as it first needs to be a store of value to then be a medium of exchange.
by this i mean if having no value, people wont want to exchange it.


I'm not trolling, OK? But I believe we debated about this before, and you said that Bitcoin should be a medium of exchange first to be valuable, and that because of small blocks, Bitcoin cannot be a medium of exchange. Or am I confused?

It must be 'easy' exchangable to get value at all - if u cannot transfer, nobody wants it / can handle it -> useless Wink

Bitcoin should be P2P cash - per definition.  so it should be free to transfer
1916  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum SCAM? on: September 26, 2019, 07:23:14 AM
BitCoin was about PoW

If you want to have Smart Contracts (for dev sake, not scam sake,...) - so pls do and prove your work like this honest man here

https://youtu.be/CN8NfMBTx0U

and this will be better by far !
But now all blockchains are switching to POS mining or masternodes to support the network. Why POW is better than POS for you?

Staking is not secure for Long term - u once buy some license ( for a DB) and do nothing more for the db's security  - this is just old world and LOL

Proof of Shit
1917  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: September 26, 2019, 07:09:40 AM
BSV works great. Original BitCoin it is, feels 2011

Smiley
1918  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: September 25, 2019, 10:54:03 AM
Here's why Calvin doesn't throw more hash power at SV, its already embarrassingly centralized:



What metric u have for 'too embarrassingly centralized'

LoL

u have no - but nice rant   Cheesy

Its simple math: Coingeek owns the clear majority of BSV's hash rate.

Coingeek: 41.67%
SV Pool: 18.06%

Total: 59.73%

You're going to have to troll harder next time if you want me to respond any further.

Nope - Definition of centralized and decentralized is not given

second - u have not provided what that means - I d guess u are about 'risk' ?

U ve no clue about risk, evalue it and properly mitigate it - go back to segshit and watch
1919  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: September 25, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
... always the same idoits ... meh


Proof that trolls still dominate the crypto space

https://coingeek.com/kraken-to-force-a-10-clearance-fee-on-bitcoin-sv-users/

lol

You're talking about trolls dominating the crypto space while unironically linking a coingeek article. That's rich. This is pretty much what I think of whenever I heard the name "coingeek":

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Yesterday, ETC Cooperative Executive Director Bob Summerwill uninvited Core Scientific CTO Kristy-Leigh Minehan to speak at the upcoming ETC Summit over concerns about her professional connections to CoinGeek, an ostensible Bitcoin news source that primarily exists to espouse Bitcoin SV propaganda...

To Summerwill, Minehan’s professional connections are disconcerting. He wrote:

“Craig Wright is a fraud, serial liar and perjurer, and Calvin Ayre is not much better. I cannot have the ETC Cooperative and the ETC Summit associated with such disreputable individuals and companies, so I chose to withdraw my invitation.”

Wow, Squire Mining plans for power outage and BTC’s hashrste flash crashes 40% yesterday. How much hash do Craig and Calvin have?  Shocked

https://twitter.com/gannvan/status/1176441875332382720?s=21

Craig has zero. Here's why Calvin doesn't throw more hash power at SV, its already embarrassingly centralized:



What metric u have for 'too embarrassingly centralized'

LoL

u have no - but nice rant   Cheesy
1920  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 25, 2019, 05:58:48 AM
Dogecoin is a little suprise...

It must be very cheap to attack bCash SV.



Doesn't matter how cheap it is, but it's illegal and what risk u run doing such


So pls add on figures for being sued and u get it
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