The price of bitcoin and gold is often affected by the same market circumstances. Rising geopolitical tensions tend to favor alternative investment vehicles. Following the killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, tensions are rising between the US and Iran. https://fintoism.com/news/mike-novogratz-bullish-gold-bitcoin/I d bet that he first went long and later published those 'Expectations' LoL |
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anonym hilf niemand (Normalos) ausser BIG CRIME >> BIG SHIT !
Wieso denken alle bei anonym direkt an CRIME? Ich denke eher an andere Dinge... ...Vereine welche in gewissen Regionen verfolgt werden ...Journalisten welche versteckt Leben müssen ...Whistleblower ...der kleine Mann der sein Badezimmer schwarz bezahlen möchte ...prostitution ...Drogenkonsumenten usw usw... das sind Dinge die immer eine Art anonymer Währung erfordern und nicht im Bereich BIG CRIME spielen sondern im Bereich des lebenlläufigen Alltags Die Geister , die ich rief ... Bitcoin soll meiner Meinung nach helfen, was Regierungen, big Industrie usw mit UNSEREM Geld machen, ich will sehen, wohin meine Steuern gehen und was bisher im DUNKLEN so passiert Das ist doch 1000x mal besser als wenn Greti und Bleti ANONYM ihre Kaugummis kaufen könne, das bleiben sie effektiv ja auch mit transparentem Bitcoin, denn das geht in der Masse unter - nicht aber die Multi-Millionen (Scam) Transaktionen (die sowiso getraced werden müssen) Denk nach mann! Das Label 'Anonym' zieht eher die Idioten an, mit den willst du doch nix zu tun haben, oder ? |
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Glaubt Ihr auch, dass 2020 rivacy Coins wie Monero,Zcash oder Grin Bitcoin outperformen werden bzw. könnten.
Nein. Weder sehe ich überhaupt einen großen Markt für Privacy Coins (schon bei Bitcoin wird die Masse weniger an der eigenen Privatsphäre denn mehr am eigenen Geldbeutel interessiert sein). Noch erwarte ich, dass die wenigen Privatsphäre-affinen User sich mehrheitlich auf den einen, "besten" Privacy Coin einigen könnten, der damit an Relevanz Bitcoin zumindest in diesem Marktsegment gewinnen könnte. Einfacher gesagt: a) es gibt eine kleine Gruppe "Privacy-Freaks" b) diese sind im Vergleich zu den typischen "Zockern" für den Marktpreis praktisch irrelevant c) diese verteilen ihre Kaufkraft auch noch zu (gleichen?) Teilen auf verschiedene Altcoins d) profitDem ist nichts hinzuzufügen. Naja erweitert mal euren Horizont und fragt euch wie zukünftig alle Steuerhinterzieher, Ganoven , Drogenkäufe etc etc ohne Bargeld abgewickelt werden sollen. Die Zeit der privacy coins wird kommen, das geht jedoch noch einige Jahre, spätestens aber wenn wir den digitalen Euro haben und der Staat jeden unserer Käufe/Tansaktion nachvollziehen kann. Letztes Jahr ca. zum Zeitpunkt Der Libra Coin ankündigung war gefühlt ganz N.Y.C mit mit so einem tollen Statement zuplakatiert.  Die Masse wird dann Wahrscheinlich das nutzen was drauf steht und nicht was drin ist .Wie bei sovielen dingen im Leben   jok1337 hat von Steuerhinterzieher, Ganoven und Drogenkäufe geschrieben. Für diese Zwecke werden Coins, die nicht wirklich Privacy Coins sind wahrscheinlich nicht auf Dauer verwendet (werden können)  Manche wollen es nicht verstehen. Ich bin zwar kein riesen Fan von privacy Coins bin aber davon überzeugt das sie in naher Zukunft eine sehr große Rolle spielen werden, und mit privacy Coin meine ich gewiss nicht libra. Richtige privacy Coins gibt es mM nur zwei: monero und pirate wobei zweiteres wohl die bessere Wahl wäre. Bitte doch erstmal den Unterschied zwischen 'privat' und 'anonym' klarstellen Bitcoin ist absolut genug privat anonym hilf niemand (Normalos) ausser BIG CRIME >> BIG SHIT ! |
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In fact, there's technically nothing that could ever prove Satoshi's identity. Signing from early addresses or Satoshi's PGP key would only muddy the waters. Private keys can be compromised due to security mistakes or even encryption vulnerabilities. You are right, but by that logic you can't actually prove anyone is anyone online. I can't prove I'm the same person who made that last post, and theymos can't prove he is the same person who opened his account. If someone showed up with signed messages from Satoshi linked addresses and his PGP key, with detailed knowledge of bitcoin, was able to display knowledge of things like the content of Satoshi's PMs on this forum, was able to convince theymos he was genuine and have his account unlocked, then I suspect the vast majority would see that as sufficient proof. Certainly the media would, and anything he said or did would be reported as "Satoshi says..." Quite right. Posessing some keys (of a car, house, email account - bitcoin wallet) ,doesn't prove real ownership - not on showing, using, whatever. Real 'evidence' needs a lot of more - esp in real world, like receipts of registering all the web sites, ppl who have Counter checked the White Paper,... telling things not known before in a decent way. Evidence is a tricky thing out of the math realm - even for judges |
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Whoever wrote that is desperately clutching at straws. There's nothing concrete in any of that and it's just wishful thinking on their part that they haven't been duped by a con-artist. I'm sorry, but both they and you have been deceived. I'd agree on the Point of wishful thinking - but that is behind all crpto ( esp see LN ...) , otherwise we'd have global adoption today |
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What exactly defines a 'fork' Bitcoin got forked many times ... not always contentious, but I d say even LTC and ETH are forks - at least from the initial idea - also having lots of Bitcoin's code |
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Oh no..Trolls invited ^ |
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Can't we just dump all the CW threads into a new forum section called "Trash"? Appreciate we shouldn't be censoring what can be posted but honestly, any CW thread isn't a bitcoin discussion, it's a CW discussion.
Sure, it might help some easy guys not to get triggered But the rest won't ignore he is creating most Bitcoin related patents Has still the relevant copyrights Tells the best facts about what Bitcoin IS able to do, without any alterations Solves the issue of governance by locking down, freezing the refactored protocol Tells the best story why and how Bitcoin was created ... Try to ignore all that. Happy 2020 |
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how? I'm very interested in your answer, really. And if you do use a mixer or are able to really ofuscate your coins... then comes the problem on future AML/KYC where you could have problems spending your coins.
if you have countries like Portugal or Germany (where you just have to prove you own the address more than a year) i do expect not a large problem even if you have to go with the AML/KYC procedure. Prove of ownership more than a year in the past for a single adress with a amount of 0.001 BTC on it would be perfect for me in 2027. Well, let's say you do your split one BTC into 1000 parts. Ok, unless you do a lot more additional movements it would be easy to see where do those BTC come from. AND if you ever use more than one to do a payment (ie: for any tx higher than 0.001) you will have to combine several and then it will be absolutely clear the common point where these addresses come from. It's not just proof of ownership, but origin of funds... something that complicates if you do manage to really obfuscate the origin of yours. And in the case of using a mixer, you could end with coins "tainted" in some way or another. I mean, yeah, go split some of your coins if you want.... but don't go full retard on it  i don't doubt that if you have addresses with which you will get in focus of authorities because you have an monthly income of <10k and you want to cash out an address with >500k on it. but if you are flying under the radar with small addresses you don't have to prove the origin of funds. and even if. I bought mining equipment in 2013 for what? to play SatoshiDice and lost all or either not. When BTC goes 1mio, the tax authorities will have software that tells them exactly to which wallet an address holding coins belongs as bitserve already explained, there will be certainly no more "under the radar" by then latest. Some block explorers can do a good job on associating addresses to wallets already nowadays. Also consider that when BTC goes to 1mio, you won't be able to cash out the smallest amount to fiat without KYC, I would consider that too. Like bitserve I'd also strongly really recommend against such a 1000-split. Otherwise you need to go through a mixer or an exchange but these fees would kill your plan completely. Writing from a tax paradise with regards to crypto coins it could be perceived as offensive and rude if I would say "just pay your taxes then", but it could save you some trouble and a lot of fees though I am not in your shoes and can't judge what taxes would eat away. Here you go, either BitCoin goes 'arm in arm' on best purpose as planned already by Satoshi right from the start, means most transparent and even IP to IP, not anonymous as later it was altered into... Or BTC will get into serious problems. No world wide adoption I see here BTW, best and safest money is NOT transferred anonymously |
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This person Craig Wright is an impostor, he talks a lot of bullshit. Not a reliable person. Everything he says can be discarded.
Last time I checked he talked a lot about original BitCoin and why Satoshi designed it exactly that way. For all the rest, it is not part of our business to decide if its bs or not All wanted free money and speech transfer. But now u are spotted issues? |
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We migth agree on RV, but for the rest I m happy to disagree.
I'm strong beleiver, that BitCoin is the new value protocol for the Internet, and needs to go industrial / enterprise in order to get used - like PMs (gold, silver,palladium) are used for different things
Only with that permanent multi-use - the SoV function comes in
Thank you for your civilized response(s). It's refreshing seeing a BSV supporter react to critique like that. It's great for people that they have their own networks to support. It's better for Bitcoin too because the big blockers clearly were doing everything in their power to force their will upon Bitcoin but failed. Now they can successfully force their will upon their own networks. Everyone happy.  That's funny, normally my stuff gets into hate alert, ignore sections or delisted by the mods I m very sad, that many Bitcoiners have been sold the mere of original BitCoin doesn't work, and so needs alterations and extra networks to wait for the fixing... Lets give old original BitCoin the time of good Whiskey or red wine (and some industrial large distillery) to see if Satoshi got it all right after he decided its good to leave it to Gavin |
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Yep, but sadly Blockstream made them pay decent fees. BTC is the wrong electronic cash
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@hendra147. This is a big joke and the person behind it also a big joke. We even see hv_, one the most ardent bitcoin sv supporters in bitcointalk wash his hands off from this stupid horseplay hehehe. Five years ago, the crypto community became aware of an alleged contract called the Tulip Trust. The supposed contract emerged when a few tech-based news outlets published stories on two former business partners Craig Wright and David Kleiman. According to the Tulip Trust contract story, Wright and Kleiman were ostensibly part of the group that invented Bitcoin. The trust claims that on January 1, 2020, approximately 1,100,111 BTC will be returned to Wright and now skeptics are patiently waiting for the arrival of a bonded courier.
https://news.bitcoin.com/alleged-8b-btc-tulip-trust-expires-with-tales-of-bonded-couriers/The tulip trust must be expired right now, but some peple still waiting the "tulip trust" will come. people who still trust sathosi nakamoto is David Kleiman will says BCH will take over bitcoin, what do you think about this issue? This is hilarious. Let's wait maybe for another week, so we can get back to Craig Wright and slap his claims on his own face. Seriously though, this man is not worth of our time and attention. He was a big joke right from the very beginning, and he should be treated just like a good source of entertainment worth some laughing. I am sure that by the time CW will be interviewed on this he will be inventing another lie to cover his tracks. Anyway, the most important thing is that we are entertained by his jokes. Last I checked he is in the middle of a running law suit. Could have some impact? Dunno Not my business... |
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The thing is, nothing really is a surprise in Bitcoin. No FED defines rates, prints fresh money, announces any action plan,...
All priced in guys
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Aber solange PayPal funktioniert, sehe ich kein Grund, warum die Menschen auf etwas bekanntes und bewährtes wie PayPal und Kreditkarten Zahlungen verzichten sollten.
Dann hast Du noch nie was verkauft und die Waren verschickt, danach wurde das Geld von Paypal zurückgebucht, da der Besitzer sagte sein PayPal Account wurde gehackt? Da gibts noch zig andere Beispiele, PayPal ist großer MIST, den du nicht steuern kannst / vertrauen kannst und schon garnicht darauf verlassen kannst. 5 Tausend Seiten AGBs, die finden schon einen Grund, wenn mal was passiert, es dem Kunden anzulasten. Da bezahle ich liebe mit BTC da hab ich alles im Griff und wenn, dann war es mein Fehler... Sorry, aber mit PayPal hab ich schon zu viel negative Erfahrung gemacht. Viele Grüße Willi Absolut korrekt Fazit, jeder Middle Men muss vernünftigen Service bieten, egal für Payments oder als Politiker. Bitcoin kann da recht viel aufräumen, als besseres Payment System aber auch um die Ausgaben und Einnahmen unserer Politiker transparenter zu checken |
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... Alles andere ist wieder fürchterlicher Kommunismus / Planwirtschaft
Wieso fürchterlich? Erleben wir nicht gerade das der Kapitalismus auch nicht funktioniert? Ne, der Kommunismus ist zu recht gescheitert, war er doch die Fortsetzung der Monarchie durch Zentralkomitee, als 'dezentraler' Bitcoiner versteht man hoffentlich, das solche Strukturen in Korruption enden. Der wettbewerbsoffene transparente Kapitalismus ist bisher das beste System. Je mehr Sozialismus hinzukommt, je mehr Middle Men braucht es, die wiederum in Korruption enden, da ihnen die Macht zu Kopf steigt. Wer kontrolliert denn unsere Politiker? Hier sollte doch auch PoW gelten |
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Er hat eindeutig zu viel vom Bitcoin, und versucht ihn zu hypen. Der wird seine Bitcoins überteuert über euch auskübeln, und es geschieht euch recht. Ach das ist nicht das Problem, dann sinkt der Kurswert halt auf Null. Problematischer empfinde ich die Generation Greta. Versuche denen mal zu erklären was an Mongolischem Kohlestrom so toll sei, und POW Mining. Die starren den ganzen Tag auf's Handy und wären eigentlich die Zielgruppe die dann ihre Eltern und Grosseltern als weitere Zielgruppen erschliessen müsste. Dieser lange hier vergessene Begriff der "Adoption". Hmm, das Stromthema... Bitcoin Miningfarmen entstehen überall, wo man günstig an Strom kommt. Sei es durch Korruption, die Möglichkeit illegal Strom zu zapfen oder durch (zu) niedrige Preise, die im Falle des mongolischen Kohlestroms keine Umweltkosten beinhalten in manchen Fällen aber auch einfach durch ein regionales Überangebot an Strom bedingt sind. Da Bitcoin die Menge an Minern und Strom nicht braucht und auch mit weniger funktioniert, liegt es an den Verantwortlichen in den Ländern und Regionen die Missstände des Minings, wenn es denn welche sind, abzustellen. Das ist kein Systemfehler von Bitcoin, sondern Bitcoin ist hier lediglich der Indikatorstreifen, der auf Missstände hinweisen kann. Würde Bitcoin die Energiemenge tatsächlich erfordern müsste man es wohl kritisch sehen. Ich denke auch nicht, dass die westlichen Millenials die Zielgruppe einer Bitcoin Adaption als Bezahlsystem sind. Ob die mit Apple-Pay, der Visacard ihrer Eltern oder mit der EC-Karte bezahlen spielt eigentlich keine Rolle. So lange diese Zahlungssysteme noch funktionieren braucht niemand Bitcoin. Wenn diese Zahlungssysteme oder das Finanzsystem insgesamt nicht mehr richtig funktionieren kommt Bitcoin eher ins Spiel. Die meisten Menschen, das muss man denke ich auch klar sehen, sind noch nicht reif für Zahlungssysteme ohne Intermediäre, bei denen sie die volle Verantwortung für ihr Handeln selbst tragen müssen. Hohe Kosten für Energie führen zu Effizienz und Innovationen - Deutschland hat hohe Stromkosten. Am Ende entscheidet ja der Kunde über Kosten / Nutzen. Alles andere ist wieder fürchterlicher Kommunismus / Planwirtschaft |
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Once a shit, always a shit and he will be a shit forever. To be honest, I didn't believe into anything he said from the start. I know already that he is a shit and what he are saying are pure shit. The problem right now is since there are new investors in the market right now, he is gaining popularity and trying to hypnotize those new investors until the time will come that they will believe him  . Hey mate, calm down, don't worry as no one believes in him, he can't make us fool all the time as there were a lot of crypto experts in the world who knows how to know the Truth and it was already proven that he knows nothing at all about Bitcoin and blockchain, I don't know what came up to his mind why he's claiming this. At least he is a very good trigger and is a working guy. Patents ARE PoW btw |
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Not fully true, only if its use is artificially restricted / governed to be a 'store of value' = 'club for hodl' thingy
People vote with their money. No one is forced to put anything in Bitcoin or to not take it out when they own some and want to get out. If I don't like what Bitcoin is, I'll dump most of it and put that capital into another coin. The very fact that people aren't choosing BCash or BSV is that they firstly aren't unique (hundreds of altcoins are faster, cheaper and just as, if not, more scalable), and secondly, they are lead by entities who most normal thinking people don't want to be associated with. You vote with your money too by holding BSV. It's a vote that hasn't worked out well and probably never will unless we go through a 2017 like mania again. This is true, and there is long and short term - I see only BSV winning (sep tha halvening race) for the long term KISS & Capacity |
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