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1181  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Duelbits Scam Alert: Unveiling the Illusion of "The Most Rewarding Casino" on: September 07, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
Reuploading your album to talkimg together with the caption you gave below the original images for easy view:


promised rewards


My Stats - I am at level 14 | Stats of a level 12 user with less wagering's and more rewards, I am sure the deposits are low as well


Lie about un-subscriptions from offers


Deposits



That done, I'd like to know if you can perhaps give us more evidences to the email and the snipped chat. Same like Wapfika, I can't find anything from their team that promised a bonus. All they say was that they'll offer you a bonus when they have any available. There were no mention that they guaranteed a bonus if you keep playing.

Further, you said, "Duelbits reached out directly, offering sincere apologies and the prospect of a resolution." But I can't find it on any of the screenshots you uploaded, they apologizing and a prospect of resolution. And about subscription, is there any backing up evidence for this claim? All we can see for this matter is they acknowledged you unsubscribed, but no proof that you never unsubscribe, so we're at he-said-they-said situation here unless you can provide more context.

Perhaps you can provide us with those things I mentioned to make things more clear?
1182  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: coinplay seized over 1400$ winnings on: September 07, 2023, 12:19:23 PM
Since Kyc is becomming such a thing in the crypto world(much to my disliking), wouldn't it be great if the forum made casino operators submit kyc before being allowed to announce their casino on the forum? Give users a way to seek legal action against operators assuming their case is legit.

Since that is not an option you have, you should take what they offer and start playing in more reputable casinos. If you are from a jurisdiction that doesn't allow gambling or is prohibited on most sites, you might start betting at your local casino sportsbook.

100% supported.
I mean at any time they are holding all the cards. Customers have 0 power when it comes to disputes or anything similar. Doing this would at least protect the members of this forum from scammy behaviour.

And yes, all this KYC stuff over the past year is becoming increasingly annoying. Where are the good old times? Many sites (such as stake also) promised to never ask KYC. Now it's mandatory at some places ( such as stake for new accounts  Roll Eyes ) .

I guess the word "never" has a changed meaning now.

I have to say that's an interesting idea, though technically it'll be KYD, LOL.

Now, as for the changes in never to a mandatory, based on what I read on an explanation given by a platform sometime in the past, there's not much they can do about it. They're pressed into a tight spot between compliant to governments' AML/ATF regulation and preserving the anonymity nature of crypto.

This is one of the reason why some casinos made a tiered KYC and/or only ask for KYC when a problem occured in a user's account and not before, to give some wiggle room between compliant to govt. rules and to protect their customer's privacy.
1183  Other / Meta / Re: censoring foul words. on: September 07, 2023, 12:06:54 PM
I actually don’t see any need why the forum should start censoring post just because they included a curse word in it, if you don’t like the way an user responded to your post the best thing you can do is to ignore them and forget something ever happened rather than to start engaging in a heated argument with both of you insulting yourself, after all you don’t know them and they don’t know you, so don’t let anyone’s words get to your head.

Don’t forget that this is a forum and everyone should be able to give his or her own opinion without being censored. And once the content of user get removed because of their choice of words then that would defeat the whole idea of “freedom of speech”.
No one actually has freedom of speech because at some point you have to follow the rules of the platform that you are using to convey your message. For example, if you make some advertising, a CTA message, or a post in a Bitcoin discussion, that topic will be moved to service discussions, which means you have no control. Another example is if you make a post with some faulty or wrong information and try to lead people the wrong way, you will be tagged as neutral or maybe removed if you are found guilty of plagiarism. We all know that by following the simple rules, we can live forever here until we die, but if we don't follow the rules, we can't survive here.

[...]

I think you're mistakenly took the meaning of freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech does not mean you're also entitled to freedom of consequences and neglecting the concept of a system. And the things you mentioned above are consequences of one's action. If they post something that's out of context, they're still allowed to, they're free to do it, but their post will get moved. Likewise, if they post something faulty, their credibility will be questioned, if they post a plagiarized content or other things that's against the rules of the forum, they'll be questioned and if found guilty, tagged. Again, consequences.

A freedom of speech neglecting a system or a rule [where a post should be posted, or what [oot] comment on what board, or what kind of post are not allowed] is an anarchy.
1184  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] SINBAD.IO [Mix Your BTC Quickly] Signature Campaign | Up-to $200/w on: September 07, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
Royse777, what do these numbers in the note column mean?

I'm pretty much sure that's BPIP rank at the time Royse handpicked us.

Also, I see that it says that the campaign period is from Saturday to Friday. is that also a change considering that until now it was Thursday to Wednesday?

I think this one is a mistake and corrected. The recent update on the opening post [dated today, 7th of September] as well as the new spreadsheet wrote the usual date, Wednesday as the end of the week and Thursday as the starting day of the week.
1185  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: HitBTC scam on: September 07, 2023, 11:20:49 AM
[...] Afaik, HitBTC has a predatory scheme of charging a monthly fee if you've been inactive for 6 months.

18.4. Inactive Account Fee. In case during 6 (six) months the User has not made a single Trade, or single Deposit, or single Withdrawal of Funds, the Account of such User shall be considered Inactive Account (“Inactive Account “). For all Inactive Accounts, HITBTC applies a monthly fee, which is the equivalent of 20 (twenty) USDT at the current SPOT rate of the USDT to the Currency in which the fee will be debited (“Inactive Account Fee “).

Do this rule has been around since years ago? That could explain why my balance hit zero.

At one point in the past, I got a warning email from hitbtc that someone tried to access my account. Driven by curiosity rather than wanting to secure my account, I logged in and saw that my balance is zero --or if not zero, then it was negligible to be withdrawn-- I might be wrong [and this time, the chance is quite big that my memory served me wrong] but I think I used to had some balance there, not sure which currency was it, but I pretty much sure I left something there. At that time, I thought I must have moved the remaining balance and forgot about it. With this added info, though, I became quite sure I did left something there and got deducted by "inactive account fee". Ahh, well, what's done is done.
1186  Other / Meta / Re: Trust Flags!!! on: September 06, 2023, 09:19:09 PM
Bro I have also noticed there are plenty of accounts with negative rating but they are not banned and they lute a lot of new people in their ponzy schemes. And they stole so much money from the.

Well, the forum does not moderate scams, we help each other by warning about potential threads, so yeah, those accounts are not banned. But on those cases, I'll say the fault is entirely at the hand of those people. The warnings are there, those orange numbers are not just for aesthetic purpose. The forum has given their effort to warn about the scammers and the ponzi schemes through tagging them. If people are still lured by the promise of easy return, then their greed is the one to be blamed here.
1187  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: September 06, 2023, 05:18:11 PM
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Clearly it didn't take long for BitcoinGirl.Club to restore rationale and remove the positive feedback, because I didn't see it happen

He has positive default trusted you, not given you positive trust feedback which is why you cannot see it. (And it's still there)

Here it is: https://bpip.org/TrustLog?&trusted=bencodie&chtype=All

Oh, right. I see. I don't see what the difference between nutildah distrusting me and BCG trusting me is then. To me it just seems like nutildah doesn't see eye to eye with my views and thus my judgement, while BCG sees eye to eye with my views and thus my judgement. That's my best guess...and to be honest, if I put myself in BCG's shoes and another member was randomly distrusted due to defending his reputation, highlighting facts about a scam, calling out power-trippers, gambling fiends, fake victims, etc. I probably wouldn't feel a need to balance any scales or trust them any more than another member, but I would definitely feel more obliged to support them if someone distrusted them for no reason if their judgement is ultimately right in my eyes. That's just me though Smiley


tl;dr: nutildah probably most likely distrust you because you leave incorrect feedback and have an impaired judgement instead of simply disagreeing with you.


I won't pretend I know what's exactly on nutildah's mind, but I'm pretty much sure you're wrong about why he distrusted you; that he simply doesn't see eye to eye with your view. I think it's more to what you left on JG's trust feedback and said here on this thread, as evidenced on #2805, #2807 [and yes, I read every part of that essay], perhaps can also be glimpsed on #2809.

If I may divulge more, if you don't trust JG, as stated on #2805, then what you should do it put a tilde on JG's name on your trust list, or perhaps simply ignore him, instead of writing a negative feedback. When you leave a negative feedback based on what arguably a retaliation,

Do's and Don'ts
  • Don't leave positive feedback for your own alt account (use neutral comments for this).
  • Don't leave negative feedback when someone violates the forum rules. Instead, use Report to moderator for rule violations.
  • Do leave mutual neutral feedback if you want to show which alt account(s) belong to you.
  • Don't leave (negative) feedback based on retaliation.
  • Don't leave (positive) feedback just because someone left it to you.

or that you've been placing incorrect feedback numerous times, or as stated on #2807, "however I am someone who looks at things as they are, excluding the politics and general consensus, and making my own judgements", others are allowed to consider a possibility that you didn't know how trust feedback intended to work, thus allows people to at the very least questions your ability to leave an accurate feedback.

[...]
Trust list
You should add users who left accurate feedback and have good Trust lists to your Trust list, and you should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback.[...]

I believe, this is also what Loyce implies when he said,

That's okay. It's how the Trust system is designed. But it will also mean your feedback won't show up by default.
So it's really up to you: do you want your feedback to mean something to the majority of users, or do you want to use your own interpretation of the Trust system?

He politely asked you if you would like to get yourself acquainted with the trust system of the forum, or you'd like to perceive the trust system the way you want it, which, by the way, you're completely allowed to, as the forum are leaning toward decentralization, there's no strict and absolute mainframe established by one person. But, again, it'll imply that you doesn't know how the trust system intended to work, and though you're fully entitled that opinion, others are also entitled to perceive that you might leave inaccurate feedback later in the future because of that perspective you have. Thus, excluding you from the decentalized system of Default Trust, thus tilde.
1188  Other / Meta / Re: censoring foul words. on: September 06, 2023, 02:37:29 PM
According to loyceV “If you can be offended by someone online, it means you’re doing something wrong”.
Ensure you are not misquoting LoyceV because the above statement seems ambiguous. If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?

[...]

The famous and well known reference he use to describe being offended is this post, but if you never encountered his approach on debate and attack on personal traits on numerous threads, his "[un]official" title on his personal text clearly made this stance on being offended: "Thick Skinned Gang Leader".

To answer your question, if you're [easily] got offended by someone online, it means you're "doing something wrong", as you need to have a thicker skin if you want to have peace of mind on the forum or basically anywhere else on the internet.

In short, be like Bill, not Bob

1189  Other / Meta / Re: Trust Flags!!! on: September 06, 2023, 12:11:07 PM
[...]
Another thing I have witnessed is, when you’re wrongly accused and given a neg tag and it’s obvious that it was not worth a negative tag a DT-member can counter the tag with a positive tag i.e write against the negative tag so that anyone going through your trust feedback would be able to know that you were wrongly accused. But I’m cases where the accusations were correct you won’t be able to remove your tags.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

A bit added info for this part, a DT-member can't counter the negative tag with positive, per se, as how it used to work. Previously, when a negative [-1] is perceived as unfair, a DT can jump in and countered with positive [+1], both scores will negate each other. But with the recent system, both scores "co-exist" and what's shown in someone's profile is the total scores, e.g., if someone has 4 negatives [-4] and 5 positives [+5], it will no longer shows -0/0/+1, but rather -4/0/+5
1190  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: HitBTC scam on: September 06, 2023, 08:34:54 AM
My friend recommended me this exchange to trade but I wanted to KYC in advance to avoid any surprises. It may be strict, but I passed it, just followed the instructions and got verified in a couple of days. No complaints of any edited photos from them, the procedure is clear and straightforward. So far so good, hope it stays that way  Tongue

KYC-ing in advance does not mean you'd avoid any surprises. Any centralized and custodial exchange can request you to reverify and/or request further personal information. I suggest at least skimming their terms of service.

Further, HitBTC is known for its shady practices -- selective scamming and problem/s typically arise once a user has deposited money to them particularly relatively significant amounts where they get the surprise invasive KYC.

You still have time to get out Tongue

Call me cynical, but I don't think the main purpose of their story is to share their "KYC experience" from HitBTC. They created an account, minutes later hit --pun intended-- this specific thread that's been buried under several other accusation threads about how their KYC procedure is clear and easy, and then went under right after.
1191  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Stake.com on: September 05, 2023, 06:31:03 PM
[...]Hello everyone, I was scammed by a stake and is not withdrawing my funds. the fact is that I watched a casino streamer and decided to register there, this is my first experience in the field of gambling. I made 3 bets on American football, ended up with a loss, lost everything, made a deposit of $ 450 and they limited me literally all actions, I can’t bet, withdraw and replenish my account, they asked me to go through all levels of verification, as well as they are silent and do not say anything, I show this for general viewing because they do not give the user's money. because I didn't win anything, I only lost. I made deposits for 1310 dollars, withdrew 460 dollars, my current balance is 450 dollars, that is, I only lost, without winning, they just steal other people's money.

Correction, you actually win one match according to the image below. And, if I may propose a possibility why they require you to submit SoW, it most likely because you deposited at 9.32 P.M. and immediately withdraw one hour later at 10.33 P.M. after one bet, it might trigger their AML/ATF policy.



A document of SoW can probably be annoying, but as everything is done in honest and good intention, I am sure this problem can be solved quickly.
1192  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammers sending messages of trust wallet verification. on: September 05, 2023, 05:50:41 PM
[...]
What I'm thinking is that these dipshit scammers got their e-mail list dump from one of the big data breaches in the crypto space, maybe Ledger.  Hell, maybe even bitcointalk if e-mail addresses were accessible.
[...]

My memory is vague for this matter, but if it is correct [and there is a good --not huge, just good-- chance that it serves me wrong] there are campaigns in the past that required their participants to enroll with their email as PoA. So, even without the forum's address database gotten breached, some emails are accessible for scam attempt.

Not that I'm saying OP got his email breached from that method, just... pointing out a small fact. I think it's more likely OP got "compromised" from database auction.

Edit: verifying that my memory does serve me correctly.
1193  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammers sending messages of trust wallet verification. on: September 04, 2023, 04:59:17 PM
Same question I am asking myself till this moment. Trust wallet need not my email for me to open a wallet neither do they need any documents or details for me to use. Now I begin to think that possibly details have been traded else where because I barely fill my mail any where  only  for exchanges and casino and of lately, I have been receiving series of junk mails which this is also amongst them. Although I do not receive mails of such nature in the past but to my greatest surprise I started receiving series of messages back to back from different languages in their thirties and forties straight every day that it is becoming ridiculous and embarrassing. I am just tired of deleting junk mails every day which is beginning to irritate me.
I wish I could just block them all. It's very frustrating.

Not trying to be out of topic, but... does one of the casino you use to enroll to happen to be the recent one that's got into the spotlight, betnomi? Because IIRC --and by it, I mean I confirmed my memory by searching the posts and reading them again-- many users of betnomi got nice waves of spam in their inbox. So maybe that's where it came from.
1194  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Newbie promoting Ponzi scheme on: September 04, 2023, 04:49:50 PM
They actually did mentioned an incorporation, on their about page, registered under #07568979, Crypto Mining Service, Ltd., registered on 17 March 2011. But I am somewhat sure that name and license was borrowed without the real company's knowledge, and that the company itself has never declared their official website, at least according to this database
While these scammy websites think that Certificate of Incorporation will make them look more legit (and they actually do appear to a newbie that doesn't know how these things work), in reality they mean aboslutely nothing, as I explained few years ago.

Its astonishing how easy and cheap is to register your fake comany there, and even more how many newbies think that its a sign of legitimacy.

One hilarious thing that I found out upon digging further... well, "further" doesn't justify what I said because I looked at one image of their "customer" and the rest of it was spent laughing my ass off --I mean, that's Danny Ocean sitting next to another stolen image-- is that they fabricated their customer review with fake profile, so yes, definitely another red flag.



About the company, though, I agreed with what Gladiatorcomeback said. I think it's legit and real company that they borrowed without the company's consent. Crypto Mining Service, Ltd. is a real company, given they were striken off and threatened to be dissolved on 6th of June and fought the action to be discontinued by fulfilling the required document one month later.
1195  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Newbie promoting Ponzi scheme on: September 04, 2023, 04:11:31 PM
This has scam written all over it. If newbies and/or gullible people send money to the scammers, they will never see the money returned.

They do not mention any company LTD/LLC or anything else in their Terms and Conditions. Also, their website does not seem to have real social media links in their contact page either. They are showing a map on their contact page for a registered office address which can he rented but that name (CGMD Miner) is not registered at the company address.

There are far too many issues pointing to this being a scam therefore the flag is supported.

They actually did mentioned an incorporation, on their about page, registered under #07568979, Crypto Mining Service, Ltd., registered on 17 March 2011. But I am somewhat sure that name and license was borrowed without the real company's knowledge, and that the company itself has never declared their official website, at least according to this database

1196  Economy / Gambling / Re: Whats happening with Betnomi? on: September 04, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
Betnomi was an exit scam from the beginning. There were manys cam accustions but these stupid paid muppets with high rank defended this scam site, royse and yahoo*** get paid to defend this scam, its their fault also that there are many victims now. You see what happens when you are naive and dont listen

How does royse get paid to defend them, again? Far as I know, he doesn't even have any business with them, not even as a campaign or competition manager?
1197  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: is Stunna dead ??? Primedice n Stake spoke person. on: September 04, 2023, 03:32:04 PM
to dumb people are not even reading the chat and blaming me for asking money to agent. I asked either tk bring supervisor to chat or gimme one million dollar as they never transfer the chats to supervisor.

stake support is a parrot , which feeds on manipulated results and scamming money from players

You are not asking to either bring supervisor or to pay you. As I previously mentioned on your other thread [amongst many other], you still ask the 1M USD even after they granted your demand and let the supervisor talk to you. In fact, the first thing you tell the supervisor is to pay him because you "want to bury this" and it'll be better to "wrap this", pretty much sounds like an extortion for money



The OP is clearly very upset but unfortunately for him he seems he is venting frustration in the wrong place. From what has been stated in the thread it seems he is in denial because he lost funds and now is looking at shifting the blame on to Stake. If Stake were manipulating outcomes or altering historical data, it would have been picked up by now.

Nope, he's leaning more toward grasping at straws and throwing muds rather than venting, if I may give my opinion. So far, he accuses Stake to be a scam family business due to the owner's father's past history, changing betID during live betting, using motion sensors to cheat their user, manipulating betting [mine games] history, and paid anyone who question his story as people on their payroll.

But yes, I think he's in denial, he lost his inheritance money to gamble at stake.
1198  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Facebook Ads Scam on: September 04, 2023, 03:18:39 PM
What happens when you've reported scam ads. If they're taking down scam ads it's showing commitment by Facebook but they shouldn't promote scams in the first place. They've got resources to make sure each ad gets seen by a human before it's published. I'd say Facebook isn't behaving responsibly until they've tried their best to stop scam ads.

Then, I'll suggest you to write email to their security and perhaps marketing team about how they should behave and what criteria should they look for instead of writing it here because, as I am sure you can guess, it's rather pointless.
1199  Economy / Gambling / Re: OLE777 - Join Us For New And Exciting Promos! on: September 04, 2023, 03:15:04 PM
this f... site is a scam... They blocked my account with 271 usdt on it. After "reviewing" it they told me that my account will be permanently frozen and money confiscated. I asked them to prove me what I did wrong. They told me that they can't share with me their "findings"... I played mostly live betting in here. Ole77 are just scammers

Though I sympathize for the current situation you're currently in, that red banner above this thread is not for nothing, it serve as a warning that the platform should be taken with some degree of precaution. May I suggest you to do more DD of the platform you're about to play prior to depositing and playing? This forum has a very good... track record of platforms, it could serve as a good reference point.
1200  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Dexsport.io HUGE SCAM on: September 02, 2023, 11:40:22 PM
Yes I've already bet there, I've even won and been able to withdraw my winnings, so I can confirm it works like what you said but I've also seen bad testimonies on internet of people complaining they were not able to withdraw their funds, so I don't know what to think and I prefer to stay cautious. OP has been able to withdraw his deposit, it's better than nothing, but if it's true that "they let [him] withdraw after a lot of hassle" it's not acceptable from a decentralized sportsbook and it shouldn't be encouraged by talking about KYC. Thank you to dedicate time to the cases of this section btw.

Hmm... at this point, it will feel like I am trying to antagonize you, but I can assure you that I have no hidden agenda here other than to straigthen facts, so... to be fair, the impression I get from OP's own screenshot and dexsports.io's statement [both were presented below for easier access of the context] was that the fund being returned instantly, and that the claim of "a lot of hassle" came from OP himself without supporting evidence. The only image he provide as evidence is a chat with their support team that literally snipped to the part where they refunded his bet, there were no part of the chat where OP has to pursue their support to withdraw, or any effort done that made him managed to get his fund back.



[...] Unfortunately, our fraud prevention system detected violation of there T&C from your side that's why your bets were automatically refunded, i.e. you received your funds back in a whole amount. [...]

IF we peek into their ANN thread, though, there's a recent claim of withdrawal being blocked [quoted below], and regardless it came from a newbie whose first and only post is about the complain, it might still be wise to be very cautious when betting on this platform for the time being.

Website works great but unfortunately this is not a trustworthy website. Voided all of my sports bets for "honest betting methods" (absolutely untrue) and now I am unable to withdraw. Avoid.

Focusing back to OP and this case, as previously mentioned, OP had a case with other platform for an almost similar situation, violating a TnC of sportsbook that's yet to be straigthened out by OP. So, while the platform itself, dexsport.io, should be taken with caution, IMO, until OP can give explanation of that case and this statement [hopefully with evidence] of hassle, his statement also need to be taken with grains of salt.
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