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Happy New Year to all the WO gang...
Carolina will come this year.
She will sweeten our nights.
She will.
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got ledger nano's and blues myself ..... also happy with those
I have a Ledger Nano S too. Also a good device. well.... i already have one totally dead, warranty replaced. I also had a lot of trouble retrieving my funds, as i had many small deposits that bricked the ledger live... i needed to get another ledger, install the chrome apps and retrieve some funds. For my digibyte i needed to install a sw wallet on my phone with the seed of my ledger in order to retrieve them. My ledger live is still +_ 150.000 digibytes off that i dont have anymore on that ledger... leder support i give a score below zero. Very dissapointed in that device... curious about trezor experiences. Didn't you have the recovery seed? The way I understand it, you just get a new Ledger, enter the seed and you're back to where you were just before the old one died... |
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got ledger nano's and blues myself ..... also happy with those
I have a Ledger Nano S too. Also a good device. |
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Okay guys, there seems to be some misunderstanding with respect to paper wallet security. Now, the misunderstanding might lie with me or it might lie with you so I am putting some Bitcoin on the line here as a test. If you are correct, it should be as easy as 123 to steal the .0123 Bitcoin I have secured on this paper wallet. If I am correct, then I can relax. My fully exposed paper wallet:  Go 4 IT! I will monitor the balance. Come on, xhomerx10, this is a passphrase-protected wallet! It is obviously very secure... But this is not what Bitcoin ATMs produce, and I know people who just keep those ATM-generated wallets in their safes. Not a wise thing to do! And not everyone knows it is possible to passphrase-protect a paper wallet. It's a good point though, and a good source of info for the paper wallet fans out there. Do the above ^^^ or risk losing your BTC! |
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stealing the paper or the device is the same just a very littke of weight difference
The difference is, if you steal my TREZOR, you ain't getting my coins... You need both my TREZOR and what's in my brain to get to my coins. But if you steal Jimbo's paper wallets, you already have his coins... |
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Proof of keys? I control my own keys thank you.
Trusted third parties? Isn't that an oxymoron?
I haven't had any coins on an exchange since MtGox. Luckily that mistake only cost me 50BTC. Never again.
Closest thing I have to a trusted third party is my Trezor which I somehow got talked into using against my better judgment. Luckily I only have 5BTC on it. I stopped using it last year after having it for less than half a year.
Obviously cold ("paper" wallet) storage is much more secure. Only I have control over the keys and they're never exposed to the internet except when I sweep a wallet into Mycelium to transfer coins and that's only small amounts for short periods of time.
This is why it's good to spread your stash between dozens or hundreds of small wallets. My biggest single wallet has a little over 30 coins in it (from pulling out what I had at Cavirtex after being Goxed) but I'm almost scared to sweep it to split it into smaller wallets because that would entail risking that many coins at once by exposing them to the internet.
I suppose I should empty my Trezor on Genesis Block Day as a way to assert ownership of my keys instead of trusting Trezor. Then again why wait until Jan. 3?
Jimbo, rest assured. With a TREZOR, you control the keys. Your seed words are the keys. It's just a different form of storage. On paper, you are storing them using ink. With a TREZOR, they are just electrons in a FLASH memory chip. They are both stored locally. No one else but you has control over them. And TREZOR has the added bonus of protecting your keys in case it's stolen (can't easily read those electrons unless you have the PIN). If your paper wallet gets stolen, your coins are gone (they're just a QR code sweep away)... Yes, if trezor is as secure as advertised. Do we know this? This is how much we know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OBIGslgGMBasically: The seed and PIN (sic!) can be extracted from a Trezor device. Not simply, but it is doable. But... If you put a passphrase on the seed, the hacker can do shit... So, which of the following is the easiest? 1. TREZOR: steal the device, then use the extraction method you refer to above to get the seed (and coins). 2. TREZOR: steal the device, then spend eternity trying to crack it (because it's passphrase-protected). 3. Paper Wallet: steal the wallet, then simply sweep the QR code to get the coins! I'd go with a TREZOR... |
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Proof of keys? I control my own keys thank you.
Trusted third parties? Isn't that an oxymoron?
I haven't had any coins on an exchange since MtGox. Luckily that mistake only cost me 50BTC. Never again.
Closest thing I have to a trusted third party is my Trezor which I somehow got talked into using against my better judgment. Luckily I only have 5BTC on it. I stopped using it last year after having it for less than half a year.
Obviously cold ("paper" wallet) storage is much more secure. Only I have control over the keys and they're never exposed to the internet except when I sweep a wallet into Mycelium to transfer coins and that's only small amounts for short periods of time.
This is why it's good to spread your stash between dozens or hundreds of small wallets. My biggest single wallet has a little over 30 coins in it (from pulling out what I had at Cavirtex after being Goxed) but I'm almost scared to sweep it to split it into smaller wallets because that would entail risking that many coins at once by exposing them to the internet.
I suppose I should empty my Trezor on Genesis Block Day as a way to assert ownership of my keys instead of trusting Trezor. Then again why wait until Jan. 3?
Jimbo, rest assured. With a TREZOR, you control the keys. Your seed words are the keys. It's just a different form of storage. On paper, you are storing them using ink. With a TREZOR, they are just electrons in a FLASH memory chip. They are both stored locally. No one else but you has control over them. And TREZOR has the added bonus of protecting your keys in case it's stolen (can't easily read those electrons unless you have the PIN). If your paper wallet gets stolen, your coins are gone (they're just a QR code sweep away)... |
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the engine on water invented long ago, but the fuel companys always destroy such inventions, so as not to lose power https://youtu.be/Jivb7lupDNUtherefore, a million old modems 56 for them is better than one novelty, the future for a gross increase of block size Oh no, no no no NO! Please don't do this... After Global Warming, we are now discussing Free Energy...  Carolina, where are you? Come save us pls!!! |
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^ Actually yes... if you remove this then we'll have no record of it  should be relatively easy to find in public medical records, or even in news articles... I'm talking about the person's real identity. The two colors combined killed his opsec... Got to be careful guys! Removed!  |
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I never would come to the 100k party under my alias in this forum, my opsec was crushed long ago. Like said, I don't care if this user is connected with my real life persona, doesn't change a thing.
Oh and good luck getting my name from any records, you'd have to hack the hospital records I was in, it was never in any news or made public.
Don't worry, I'd never look for your name or anything. No point for me to do that, as I'd never cause any harm to anyone. I just mentioned it for all of us readers here, to be careful when we write about ourselves. A guy in Turkey published in Facebook that he had 400 BTC. IIRC, he was kidnapped, tortured, and his 400 BTC stolen. |
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Actually yes... "[removed] in [removed]" should be relatively easy to find in public medical records, or even in news articles... I'm talking about the person's real identity.
The two colors combined killed his opsec...
Got to be careful guys!
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Merry Christmas & a Happy New Pump!
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Ack! Just looked at the price 1 hour ago...now it is going down...damn it....it's all on me...Ack!
(just don't look, it is always a trap!)
Something to say for 'blissful ignorance' and don't look at BTC price for 5 years, just think of all the angst I would have
lessened in the last 1/2 year alone!
Reminds me of back in 2015 when I got my first BTCs @ $230. I just forgot about them for 2-3 months, and then checked the price and it was $450. I've never had a proper sleep since then. |
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Just came back from a trip overseas, and checked out WO. Man, too many pages to read. Just checked the last 3 pages... Price keeps dropping... Well, they ain't getting my coins for cheap... Will HoDL 'til it goes negative. BCH has nearly zeroed I see. BCH/BTC is ~0.024. Nice one for Ver & Wu.  Keep HoDLing and keep believing.  |
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I haven't been active here much, but I'm still alive. I will try to at least delete the worst shitposting. Reporting particular posts to me via PM is helpful.
We had a long holiday weekend here in the states, and then my wife delivered our first baby right after. Shit's been crazy - attending to work, baby, wife, and sleeping when I get "free time".
Congrats infofront! May s/he grow strong, healthy and rich (well, the last one's already guaranteed). |
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It takes just 3 minutes for the poison to clear... And then he EATS the cobra! |
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Pumping...
As it should...
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No fear at all.
It's a win-win situation.
Moon = Riches beyond wildest dreams
Zero = Life goes on as normal (fiat reserves sufficient)
Only those who went all-in are afraid. And I still believe they will be winners, too, in the end.
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I BTFD! Placed a limit buy order for 3601 € (approx. $4110) and went to sleep. Woke up and saw It got nicely filled almost exactly at the local bottom! Yay! Still some fiat left... What to do...? Wait for the next bottom, or buy now? Have we BATTOMED OUT? |
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