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[Ayers]

After Medvedev victory in Rotterdam he is back in the top 10. He moved up 2 places from place 11 to place 9. With his first tournament win this year he seems to be in good form. Last year he only won his first tournament in August in Mexico.
He will serve in Doha (Katar) at Wednesday. There he has the opportunity for another victory.

Medvedev had a good performance in that final.
Honestly, I was a little worried that he might not be able to win because his opponent was in great form.
I thought it could easily have been the first time he was beaten by Sinner, but that did not happen.

On the 22nd of February, he is going to play in Qatar Open. It is still not decided who he is going to face.

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[Swordsoffreedom]

I wouldnt say Sinner was unstable, he was actually quite stable in his mentality as was
Medvedev actually.
The match for me was actually closer than the second and third sets suggest, Sinner
in the end had far too many unforced errors which I am putting down to the long rallies,
medvedev is comfortable enough hitting baseline exchanges, sinner was too but
they took their toll on him in the end.
Great match all the same, I didnt bet on either.

It might be the experience that plays into the hands of Medvedev when it comes to three set games with long rallies, but I just saw that Sinner won his first tournaments at age 19 onwards. He is not that different from Medvedev and also played a couple of great tournaments already. He seems as if he has more in the tank and is still developing a a player. I just remember this quarter final against Djokovic in Wimbledon, which was a five set game and Sinner played like a maniac in first two sets but then lost it big time in the third/fourth/fifth. Djokovic is probably not the best example as he frequently turns around a 0:2 in sets, but still that was so high quality tennis that I thought if he can keep that level for an entire game, he could probably be a no.1 player one day.

Before this match, this final, Medvedev beat Sinner four times. And was not beaten even once. So of course the advantage was with Medvedev. It was only the form that gave Sinner a chance. Sinner was unbeaten for seven matches straight. But that was not enough to give him a win against Medvedev in the final.

Sinner actually had the first set. At that time I thought it was going to be a win for him. But it was a good comeback by Medvedev. He did not give any chance to his opponent in the next two sets.

[serveria.com]

WTA tournament in Dubai. Ladies to watch out for: Rybakina, Sabalenka, Pegula, Ostapenko and of course Swiatek! If Swiatek could keep the momentum she gained during Doha tournament, this will be an easy win for her! Plus she only played 3 matches in Doha (1st round bye, 1/4 final opponent withdrawn) and only 26 games (6:0,6:1,6:0,6:1)? in total so she must have decent form. 

[n0ne]

After Medvedev victory in Rotterdam he is back in the top 10. He moved up 2 places from place 11 to place 9. With his first tournament win this year he seems to be in good form. Last year he only won his first tournament in August in Mexico.
He will serve in Doha (Katar) at Wednesday. There he has the opportunity for another victory.

Medvedev had a good performance in that final.
Honestly, I was a little worried that he might not be able to win because his opponent was in great form.
I thought it could easily have been the first time he was beaten by Sinner, but that did not happen.

On the 22nd of February, he is going to play in Qatar Open. It is still not decided who he is going to face.

Medvedev lost the first set, and he won the second set in a much simple way. During the first set Sinner had a tough fight and won the set. Medvedev kept the winning form continue in the third set and the same made him win the third set same as the past second set. A big win for him and the same have increased the expectation over him for the Qatar Open.

[Rabi3]

After Medvedev victory in Rotterdam he is back in the top 10. He moved up 2 places from place 11 to place 9. With his first tournament win this year he seems to be in good form. Last year he only won his first tournament in August in Mexico.
He will serve in Doha (Katar) at Wednesday. There he has the opportunity for another victory.

Medvedev had a good performance in that final.
Honestly, I was a little worried that he might not be able to win because his opponent was in great form.
I thought it could easily have been the first time he was beaten by Sinner, but that did not happen.

On the 22nd of February, he is going to play in Qatar Open. It is still not decided who he is going to face.

Medvedev lost the first set, and he won the second set in a much simple way. During the first set Sinner had a tough fight and won the set. Medvedev kept the winning form continue in the third set and the same made him win the third set same as the past second set. A big win for him and the same have increased the expectation over him for the Qatar Open.

Jannik Sinner was not an easy opponent, so Medvedev beating him and coming back was really something, he had a tough start this season but he seemed unbothered by it so far, i hope we will see him playing with the same pace later on to get a crazy competition and exciting matches.

[mv1986]

I wouldnt say Sinner was unstable, he was actually quite stable in his mentality as was
Medvedev actually.
The match for me was actually closer than the second and third sets suggest, Sinner
in the end had far too many unforced errors which I am putting down to the long rallies,
medvedev is comfortable enough hitting baseline exchanges, sinner was too but
they took their toll on him in the end.
Great match all the same, I didnt bet on either.

It might be the experience that plays into the hands of Medvedev when it comes to three set games with long rallies, but I just saw that Sinner won his first tournaments at age 19 onwards. He is not that different from Medvedev and also played a couple of great tournaments already. He seems as if he has more in the tank and is still developing a a player. I just remember this quarter final against Djokovic in Wimbledon, which was a five set game and Sinner played like a maniac in first two sets but then lost it big time in the third/fourth/fifth. Djokovic is probably not the best example as he frequently turns around a 0:2 in sets, but still that was so high quality tennis that I thought if he can keep that level for an entire game, he could probably be a no.1 player one day.

Before this match, this final, Medvedev beat Sinner four times. And was not beaten even once. So of course the advantage was with Medvedev. It was only the form that gave Sinner a chance. Sinner was unbeaten for seven matches straight. But that was not enough to give him a win against Medvedev in the final.

Sinner actually had the first set. At that time I thought it was going to be a win for him. But it was a good comeback by Medvedev. He did not give any chance to his opponent in the next two sets.

The fact that Medvedev beat Sinner four times before this final doesn't really say that much as Sinner is so young. At some point the turnaround can happen when a player has the potential for it. I could just compare this to Djokovic vs. Federer head to head. Guess what, Djokovic started with four losses against Federer and then slowly turned the statistics around. Another weird example is the final phase for Federer against Nadal, which ended with a 7-1 winning streak for Federer and nobody expected that.

So yes, the statistics are an indicator. I am not saying they are meaningless. But Sinner will have his winning game against Medvedev soon. It is not like Medvedev always beats him with such an ease that we can say Sinner will never have a chance.

[Juggy777]

I wouldnt say Sinner was unstable, he was actually quite stable in his mentality as was
Medvedev actually.
The match for me was actually closer than the second and third sets suggest, Sinner
in the end had far too many unforced errors which I am putting down to the long rallies,
medvedev is comfortable enough hitting baseline exchanges, sinner was too but
they took their toll on him in the end.
Great match all the same, I didnt bet on either.

It might be the experience that plays into the hands of Medvedev when it comes to three set games with long rallies, but I just saw that Sinner won his first tournaments at age 19 onwards. He is not that different from Medvedev and also played a couple of great tournaments already. He seems as if he has more in the tank and is still developing a a player. I just remember this quarter final against Djokovic in Wimbledon, which was a five set game and Sinner played like a maniac in first two sets but then lost it big time in the third/fourth/fifth. Djokovic is probably not the best example as he frequently turns around a 0:2 in sets, but still that was so high quality tennis that I thought if he can keep that level for an entire game, he could probably be a no.1 player one day.

Before this match, this final, Medvedev beat Sinner four times. And was not beaten even once. So of course the advantage was with Medvedev. It was only the form that gave Sinner a chance. Sinner was unbeaten for seven matches straight. But that was not enough to give him a win against Medvedev in the final.

Sinner actually had the first set. At that time I thought it was going to be a win for him. But it was a good comeback by Medvedev. He did not give any chance to his opponent in the next two sets.

The fact that Medvedev beat Sinner four times before this final doesn't really say that much as Sinner is so young. At some point the turnaround can happen when a player has the potential for it. I could just compare this to Djokovic vs. Federer head to head. Guess what, Djokovic started with four losses against Federer and then slowly turned the statistics around. Another weird example is the final phase for Federer against Nadal, which ended with a 7-1 winning streak for Federer and nobody expected that.

So yes, the statistics are an indicator. I am not saying they are meaningless. But Sinner will have his winning game against Medvedev soon. It is not like Medvedev always beats him with such an ease that we can say Sinner will never have a chance.

@mv1986 I don’t think the earlier defeats mattered to Sinner, because he did won the first set which showed he was determined to beat Medvedev but unfortunately he felt short in the second and third set. Furthermore Sinner can only improve from this defeat, and I believe that when he faces Medvedev again he’ll most probably beat him because I’m sure that he’ll be hurting badly after constantly losing to him.

[bct_ail]

On the 22nd of February, he is going to play in Qatar Open. It is still not decided who he is going to face.

He will play against Liam Broady. Have not heard anything from him yet. I do not think the game will last long. After that he will probably meet Bautista.
More interesting are the matches between Rublev against Griekspoor and Zverev against Murray. All matches will take place on 22nd of February.

[aoluain]

On the 22nd of February, he is going to play in Qatar Open. It is still not decided who he is going to face.

He will play against Liam Broady. Have not heard anything from him yet. I do not think the game will last long. After that he will probably meet Bautista.
More interesting are the matches between Rublev against Griekspoor and Zverev against Murray. All matches will take place on 22nd of February.

Doha is where the action continues, most of the big names are there, Medvedev,
Zverev, Murray, Griekspoor, Felix AA.

I'm not sure Murray is going to get past Zverev, it will be a battle royale I think.

Medvedev v Broady....can Medvedev carry his top form into this competition?


Over in Rio where Alcaraz is playing, Musetti seeded 3rd has been beaten by Jarry?
4-6, 1-6 - thats an big upset.

[Strongkored]

Over in Rio where Alcaraz is playing, Musetti seeded 3rd has been beaten by Jarry?
4-6, 1-6 - thats an big upset.

With Musseti's defeat, practically Alcaraz will be easier to get to the final and if according to predictions he will fight Norrie and this will be a repeat of the Buenos Aires ATP final before this tournament, before he goes to the final the opponent who might still trouble him is L. Đere or Schwartzman, but relatively there are no opponents that are tough enough for Alcaraz especially since this is a clay court tournament

[bct_ail]

Doha is where the action continues, most of the big names are there, Medvedev,
Zverev, Murray, Griekspoor, Felix AA.

I'm not sure Murray is going to get past Zverev, it will be a battle royale I think.

I also assume that. It will be a close match. I think Murray will try to play long rallies. Then it will be more difficult for Zverev. His physical fitness is not perfect yet and neither is his confidence in himself. With long rallies, Murray can provoke more mistakes from Zverev.

Bautista had played against Fucsovics yesterday. Bautista won but had difficulties and needed 3 sets.

[mv1986]

I wouldnt say Sinner was unstable, he was actually quite stable in his mentality as was
Medvedev actually.
The match for me was actually closer than the second and third sets suggest, Sinner
in the end had far too many unforced errors which I am putting down to the long rallies,
medvedev is comfortable enough hitting baseline exchanges, sinner was too but
they took their toll on him in the end.
Great match all the same, I didnt bet on either.

It might be the experience that plays into the hands of Medvedev when it comes to three set games with long rallies, but I just saw that Sinner won his first tournaments at age 19 onwards. He is not that different from Medvedev and also played a couple of great tournaments already. He seems as if he has more in the tank and is still developing a a player. I just remember this quarter final against Djokovic in Wimbledon, which was a five set game and Sinner played like a maniac in first two sets but then lost it big time in the third/fourth/fifth. Djokovic is probably not the best example as he frequently turns around a 0:2 in sets, but still that was so high quality tennis that I thought if he can keep that level for an entire game, he could probably be a no.1 player one day.

Before this match, this final, Medvedev beat Sinner four times. And was not beaten even once. So of course the advantage was with Medvedev. It was only the form that gave Sinner a chance. Sinner was unbeaten for seven matches straight. But that was not enough to give him a win against Medvedev in the final.

Sinner actually had the first set. At that time I thought it was going to be a win for him. But it was a good comeback by Medvedev. He did not give any chance to his opponent in the next two sets.

The fact that Medvedev beat Sinner four times before this final doesn't really say that much as Sinner is so young. At some point the turnaround can happen when a player has the potential for it. I could just compare this to Djokovic vs. Federer head to head. Guess what, Djokovic started with four losses against Federer and then slowly turned the statistics around. Another weird example is the final phase for Federer against Nadal, which ended with a 7-1 winning streak for Federer and nobody expected that.

So yes, the statistics are an indicator. I am not saying they are meaningless. But Sinner will have his winning game against Medvedev soon. It is not like Medvedev always beats him with such an ease that we can say Sinner will never have a chance.

@mv1986 I don’t think the earlier defeats mattered to Sinner, because he did won the first set which showed he was determined to beat Medvedev but unfortunately he felt short in the second and third set. Furthermore Sinner can only improve from this defeat, and I believe that when he faces Medvedev again he’ll most probably beat him because I’m sure that he’ll be hurting badly after constantly losing to him.

That is exactly what I am saying. Now, being able to go the whole distance is important in any sport if you want to make it to the top of course. That is why the big three have been so successful. Even if they were 0:2 down in sets, everyone knew that the game is by no means over yet. That is an incredible strength characteristic.

You can't expect Sinner yet to be on that level, but he is on a good way to become such player. When you watch him play and he is at his best, there is really no big difference between him and top 3 players right now. But he has to solve the problem when it comes to endurance and consistency for a whole game.

[aoluain]

Doha is where the action continues, most of the big names are there, Medvedev,
Zverev, Murray, Griekspoor, Felix AA.

I'm not sure Murray is going to get past Zverev, it will be a battle royale I think.

I also assume that. It will be a close match. I think Murray will try to play long rallies. Then it will be more difficult for Zverev. His physical fitness is not perfect yet and neither is his confidence in himself. With long rallies, Murray can provoke more mistakes from Zverev.

Bautista had played against Fucsovics yesterday. Bautista won but had difficulties and needed 3 sets.

Well, he got the job done, won the first set tie break, got beaten in the second set
6-2 and broke Zverev in the third to win that 5-7.

I only caught the last set, IDK I get really frustrated by watching Murray, he can
be so negative and lets his emotions out winning or losing, I know thats the
way he manages but I find it so frustrating/annoying.

Anyway he is through to the last 8, and there is still some serious players to potentially
get past, Rublev, Felix AA, Medvedev and Davidovich Fokina, all seeded players.

[shogun47]

Doha is where the action continues, most of the big names are there, Medvedev,
Zverev, Murray, Griekspoor, Felix AA.

I'm not sure Murray is going to get past Zverev, it will be a battle royale I think.

I also assume that. It will be a close match. I think Murray will try to play long rallies. Then it will be more difficult for Zverev. His physical fitness is not perfect yet and neither is his confidence in himself. With long rallies, Murray can provoke more mistakes from Zverev.

Bautista had played against Fucsovics yesterday. Bautista won but had difficulties and needed 3 sets.

Well, he got the job done, won the first set tie break, got beaten in the second set
6-2 and broke Zverev in the third to win that 5-7.

I only caught the last set, IDK I get really frustrated by watching Murray, he can
be so negative and lets his emotions out winning or losing, I know thats the
way he manages but I find it so frustrating/annoying.

Anyway he is through to the last 8, and there is still some serious players to potentially
get past, Rublev, Felix AA, Medvedev and Davidovich Fokina, all seeded players.

Murray beating Zverev is either a very good performance by Murray or a very bad performance by Zverev. I didn't watch the game, but with all issues Murray now had down the road and also his age, how can Zverev lose against him when he otherwise is trying to become a number 1 in the world? This is not against Murray and I respect him a lot and all his achievements, but I think that Zverev is just not as strong as the media was hyping him a couple of years ago. Since he is German, Tthey said he is going to be the next Boris Becker. He is so far away from winning a Grand Slam. He is 25 I know, but now there is Alcaraz and a couple of other talents that I think are already stronger than him. 

[serveria.com]

Doha is where the action continues, most of the big names are there, Medvedev,
Zverev, Murray, Griekspoor, Felix AA.

I'm not sure Murray is going to get past Zverev, it will be a battle royale I think.

I also assume that. It will be a close match. I think Murray will try to play long rallies. Then it will be more difficult for Zverev. His physical fitness is not perfect yet and neither is his confidence in himself. With long rallies, Murray can provoke more mistakes from Zverev.

Bautista had played against Fucsovics yesterday. Bautista won but had difficulties and needed 3 sets.

Well, he got the job done, won the first set tie break, got beaten in the second set
6-2 and broke Zverev in the third to win that 5-7.

I only caught the last set, IDK I get really frustrated by watching Murray, he can
be so negative and lets his emotions out winning or losing, I know thats the
way he manages but I find it so frustrating/annoying.

Anyway he is through to the last 8, and there is still some serious players to potentially
get past, Rublev, Felix AA, Medvedev and Davidovich Fokina, all seeded players.

Murray beating Zverev is either a very good performance by Murray or a very bad performance by Zverev. I didn't watch the game, but with all issues Murray now had down the road and also his age, how can Zverev lose against him when he otherwise is trying to become a number 1 in the world? This is not against Murray and I respect him a lot and all his achievements, but I think that Zverev is just not as strong as the media was hyping him a couple of years ago. Since he is German, Tthey said he is going to be the next Boris Becker. He is so far away from winning a Grand Slam. He is 25 I know, but now there is Alcaraz and a couple of other talents that I think are already stronger than him. 

Many underestimate Murray, saying he's old and all those health issues etc but I somehow wasn't surprised he defeated Sascha. Zverev was out for a year with injury and he's not on top of his form now (same thing happened to Thiem - out for a longer time and can't get back in top 10).

P.S. I also didn't watch this match but I did watch Murray v Berrettini at AO and it was a tremendous performance by the Brit.

[bct_ail]

Murray beating Zverev is either a very good performance by Murray or a very bad performance by Zverev. I didn't watch the game, but with all issues Murray now had down the road and also his age, how can Zverev lose against him when he otherwise is trying to become a number 1 in the world?

After 8 months of not being able to play in the 2022 French Open due to his injury, it is completely understandable that he still needs time to be back to his old level.

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After Bautista already facing problems against his previous opponent he now lost to O'Connell from Australia. I would say this is the first result in this tournament which is surprising.

[n0ne]

After Bautista already facing problems against his previous opponent he now lost to O'Connell from Australia. I would say this is the first result in this tournament which is surprising.

Really surprised, because the odds were in favour of Bautista. During the second set it was Christopher who didn't give up and won the set 6⁵-7⁷. He was completely tired by the end and wasn't make a comeback. Christopher to face Medvedev in the next match. Will he able to play same as what he did with Bautista.

[Strongkored]

Christopher to face Medvedev in the next match. Will he able to play same as what he did with Bautista.

I don't think Medvedev will lose against O'Connell it will just be an easy match for Medvedev, O'Connell will probably put up a tough fight later but Medvedev will handle it, and it will be very interesting to see Murray take on Medvedev in the final but before it happened Murray needed to beat Rublev who is the favorite to win here.

[BALIK]

Christopher to face Medvedev in the next match. Will he able to play same as what he did with Bautista.

I don't think Medvedev will lose against O'Connell it will just be an easy match for Medvedev, O'Connell will probably put up a tough fight later but Medvedev will handle it, and it will be very interesting to see Murray take on Medvedev in the final but before it happened Murray needed to beat Rublev who is the favorite to win here.

Bautista lost against O'Connell. Which was obviously very unexpected. But anyway, the next match is going to be O'Connell vs Medvedev. Medvedev should not lose this match. At this point, it is really hard to actually say anything. Because the last match of O'Connell was also expected to be a loss for him. But he was able to win. I don't think any surprises are going to happen in this match. But there is always a chance for that as well.

Murray vs Rublev is actually going to be much more interesting. Rublev is the one for me to win this match. Of course, there is no 100% chance that he's going to win. I assume that this match is going to be much more competitive compared to the Medvedev one.

[aoluain]

Murray beating Zverev is either a very good performance by Murray or a very bad performance by Zverev. I didn't watch the game, but with all issues Murray now had down the road and also his age, how can Zverev lose against him when he otherwise is trying to become a number 1 in the world?

After 8 months of not being able to play in the 2022 French Open due to his injury, it is completely understandable that he still needs time to be back to his old level.

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Agree, Zverev is not fully back to his pre-injury form, that said Murray as one of the commentators
pointed out while I was watching has "court craft" his experience is key, he is able to call on his
skill to make different shots and opportune times and knows when to use them especially when
under pressure.

This will only go so far because another tool which players must have is "fitness", thats mobility,
flexability and stamina which Murray's is compromised.

Christopher to face Medvedev in the next match. Will he able to play same as what he did with Bautista.

I don't think Medvedev will lose against O'Connell it will just be an easy match for Medvedev, O'Connell will probably put up a tough fight later but Medvedev will handle it, and it will be very interesting to see Murray take on Medvedev in the final but before it happened Murray needed to beat Rublev who is the favorite to win here.

Bautista lost against O'Connell. Which was obviously very unexpected. But anyway, the next match is going to be O'Connell vs Medvedev. Medvedev should not lose this match. At this point, it is really hard to actually say anything. Because the last match of O'Connell was also expected to be a loss for him. But he was able to win. I don't think any surprises are going to happen in this match. But there is always a chance for that as well.

Murray vs Rublev is actually going to be much more interesting. Rublev is the one for me to win this match. Of course, there is no 100% chance that he's going to win. I assume that this match is going to be much more competitive compared to the Medvedev one.

Murray v Rublev - im not betting on this one, Rublev can be very unpredictable, but can be
really good. It will be interesting but really I dont expect Murray to progress.