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[aoluain]

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He was making those comments in reaction to the crowd jeering him at the speeches.
I think he is fed-up with the negative attention he gets ^{i dont know where it all started}

Whatever about jeering a player during the match ^{which I dont think is o.k}
Its another to jeer at the award ceremony. I recon a lot of it is alcohol fuelled.

Noticed he didnt mention the audience ^{and how great they were} in his
speech.

[casperBGD]

~snip

Did you guys see his face while listening to speeches on award ceremony after the match? He looked bored and even made some grimaces during speeches. I have a feeling Nadal tried to gave him advice at that moment but he did not want to listen. Real Champions are conducting themselves as champions even when loosing.

reminded me on Andy Roddick after losing Wimbledon final to Roger Federer, not sure what year was it, but it was in five setter, and something like 17:15 in last set for Federer
after the match it was similar situation, Federer showed him empathy and gave advice, and Roddick complained that Federer is winning his sixth or seventh (not sure which that was), and cannot know how it is "to lose your one and only chance to win it"

what a way to lose a historic match, and that was great one, as this one on last Sunday

[Trofo]

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Did you guys see his face while listening to speeches on award ceremony after the match? He looked bored and even made some grimaces during speeches. I have a feeling Nadal tried to gave him advice at that moment but he did not want to listen. Real Champions are conducting themselves as champions even when loosing.

reminded me on Andy Roddick after losing Wimbledon final to Roger Federer, not sure what year was it, but it was in five setter, and something like 17:15 in last set for Federer
after the match it was similar situation, Federer showed him empathy and gave advice, and Roddick complained that Federer is winning his sixth or seventh (not sure which that was), and cannot know how it is "to lose your one and only chance to win it"

what a way to lose a historic match, and that was great one, as this one on last Sunday

I don't remember that match but I have much more sympathy for Roddick than Medvedev. First off it was a match without 5th set tie break, meaning it lasted much longer, second it probably felt like Roddick's only chance while Medvedev won last Grand Slam played and by wining it took Djokovic chance for gold slam and to get in front of the Fedex and Nadal by GS won. It is sport, loosing the important match is part of professional's life and he has to get better at it.

[Cnut237]

^We had a discussion about Medvedev improving his game play and mental stability few days ago. I said that I still think he is mentally not prepared just that he managed to improve his game so much so we don't see that unstable side of him that often. This just confirmed it for me, he is still the same prickly looser who always has a problem with something when he is not winning. It was the same crowd/ref/ball kids in first 2 sets and there was no problems. After he started loosing he took it out on all of them. Good player, but needs to work on his behavior a lot.

Did you guys see his face while listening to speeches on award ceremony after the match? He looked bored and even made some grimaces during speeches. I have a feeling Nadal tried to gave him advice at that moment but he did not want to listen. Real Champions are conducting themselves as champions even when loosing.

Maybe he is even too honest and just don't thinks about his answers. Remember his interview on full court after semi final victory. The crowd did not like him much and he got boos for mentioning Djokovic and than Courier tried to set him up to win them over. He answered in a worst possible way to all those questions. Last one was if he will watch Barty play final and he answered no, that is the time I am eating supper. Then Courier lost patience and said to him something like "C'mon man I am trying to set you up to win them over and you are not doing yourself any favours". And then Medvedev finally got it, smiled and said something like he will watch on mobile while eating.

I think a lot of players start to complain when matches begin to run away from them. But one difference with Medvedev is I don't think he cares what the fans think of him, he is there to win the tennis match and couldn't care less about the fans. And if the fans don't like him, and start cheering for his opponent, then it's kind of understandable that his attitude afterwards in the press conference is quite dismissive and confrontational... I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing when he said having a meal was more important than watching Barty, he was simply saying to the fans: 'You don't like me? Well, f*ck you, I don't like you either.' Some elite sports players are just like that, it may even be part of the reason he is a top player... maybe without that attitude, he wouldn't be as good.

But it's quite telling that when Courier was finally explicit about the question of his relation to the fans, he realised he'd taken it far enough, and so relented a bit rather than go to an extreme. I don't think any of it was clumsy or accidental, he was well aware of the effect his responses would have.

[Joca97]

Many high ranked players are interested in montpellier ATP tournament zverev and monfils are the favourite ones to win it, goffin last year winner was not doing good this season and since last year he did not win any tournament but he did well today getting past bonzi with 2 1 score i hope he get back to his form.

Zverev after a big fail on australian open really wants to comeback with a title thats why he signed up for the tournament. While Monfils is playing at home and has a big advantage of a home crowd but i dont think he can win a title with Zverev here.

[babygun]

I actually like rebels. I am sick and tired of the same PR crap coming out of their mouths, from tennis to basketball to football. It's like some kind of '10 steps to like me' PDF that is circulating around.
I'd really like somebody to say no, i don't want to waste my time on women's tennis if he actually means it.

That said, what Medvedev (or Kyrgios) is doing is the opposite. Fans love bad boys, they don't really like crybabies or idiots.

Rebels can be fun if they have any interesting to say or complain about things that doesn't seem farfetched and have some truth in it. Kyrgios is such a kind of guy who doesn't care but still can book some results (winning the doubles title). Medvedev was indeed a crybaby this whole tournament so hopefully he learns something from it.

[el kaka22]

The difference between Roddick and Medvedev type of players and other superstars like Nadal and Federer is that by the time they were in Medvedevs age, they were capable of winning a few championships, while others couldn't so obviously it is not easy for these people to feel that at ease.

If you are 17-18 years old and lose to Nadal on the finals then you could still be hopeful about things, but when you are 25+ years old and only have a few finals and no titles then you feel like your chance is slipping out of your hand and that is why you do not want to hear any advice from anyone. If he believed that he still has a lot of chance in the future then he would be fine but lets be honest how many tournaments do you feel like they would be able to win?

[paxmao]

There has been some whirl and noise about the glorification and ascension to heavens of Nadal on his 21st Grand Slam. Apparently, most reporters and many people seem oblivious to the fact that Steffi Graf, Venus Williams and Navratilova all won more grand slams than Nadal and they do not seem to have caught as much wind in the news. I am not inclined to think that a fem grand slam has the same grade of competitiveness than a male one.

Anyway, I would like to place a binary bet: Will Nadal ever win another GS title?

[Joca97]

There has been some whirl and noise about the glorification and ascension to heavens of Nadal on his 21st Grand Slam. Apparently, most reporters and many people seem oblivious to the fact that Steffi Graf, Venus Williams and Navratilova all won more grand slams than Nadal and they do not seem to have caught as much wind in the news. I am not inclined to think that a fem grand slam has the same grade of competitiveness than a male one.

Anyway, I would like to place a binary bet: Will Nadal ever win another GS title?

Nadal made a huge step by winning this australian open but i dont see him being the best in history. He will be the best in history on clay by far but overall i dont think he will be. Djokovic could have walked on this tournament and win it if he wasnt deported. Im really looking forward to what will happen next.

[babygun]

There has been some whirl and noise about the glorification and ascension to heavens of Nadal on his 21st Grand Slam. Apparently, most reporters and many people seem oblivious to the fact that Steffi Graf, Venus Williams and Navratilova all won more grand slams than Nadal and they do not seem to have caught as much wind in the news. I am not inclined to think that a fem grand slam has the same grade of competitiveness than a male one.

Anyway, I would like to place a binary bet: Will Nadal ever win another GS title?

Your need to get your facts straight. Steffi Graf won 22 grand slam titles but Venus Williams and Navratilova but won less titles than Nadal. Only Margaret Court (24) and Serena Williams (23) have won more than Nadal also. Next grand title for Nadal will probably be Roland Garros!

[Kemarit]

There has been some whirl and noise about the glorification and ascension to heavens of Nadal on his 21st Grand Slam. Apparently, most reporters and many people seem oblivious to the fact that Steffi Graf, Venus Williams and Navratilova all won more grand slams than Nadal and they do not seem to have caught as much wind in the news. I am not inclined to think that a fem grand slam has the same grade of competitiveness than a male one.

Anyway, I would like to place a binary bet: Will Nadal ever win another GS title?

Your need to get your facts straight. Steffi Graf won 22 grand slam titles but Venus Williams and Navratilova but won less titles than Nadal. Only Margaret Court (24) and Serena Williams (23) have won more than Nadal also. Next grand title for Nadal will probably be Roland Garros!

Right, and with the strength of his Australian Open, for sure he will be the favorite in the Roland Garros because this is his court.

As for the male vs female and how the media see it, maybe it is the competitiveness of the male. But for sure as far as viewership, it could be close though.

[Swordsoffreedom]

There has been some whirl and noise about the glorification and ascension to heavens of Nadal on his 21st Grand Slam. Apparently, most reporters and many people seem oblivious to the fact that Steffi Graf, Venus Williams and Navratilova all won more grand slams than Nadal and they do not seem to have caught as much wind in the news. I am not inclined to think that a fem grand slam has the same grade of competitiveness than a male one.

Anyway, I would like to place a binary bet: Will Nadal ever win another GS title?

Your need to get your facts straight. Steffi Graf won 22 grand slam titles but Venus Williams and Navratilova but won less titles than Nadal. Only Margaret Court (24) and Serena Williams (23) have won more than Nadal also. Next grand title for Nadal will probably be Roland Garros!

Even though I should not be saying this out loud but I guess women's tennis back then were not as competitive as it is right now and as a result legends like Steffi Graph or Venus Williams won a lot of titles.

But we can also say that there were better players like Sharapova and Serena at the same period but I think Men's Tennis is a bit more competitive.

And I would disagree that Nadal will win another title as I personally think that he has neared his retirement as his pace and endurance have dipped a bit. But I do have to say that he totally deserved this GS.

[Minor Miner]

The difference between Roddick and Medvedev type of players and other superstars like Nadal and Federer is that by the time they were in Medvedevs age, they were capable of winning a few championships, while others couldn't so obviously it is not easy for these people to feel that at ease.

If you are 17-18 years old and lose to Nadal on the finals then you could still be hopeful about things, but when you are 25+ years old and only have a few finals and no titles then you feel like your chance is slipping out of your hand and that is why you do not want to hear any advice from anyone. If he believed that he still has a lot of chance in the future then he would be fine but lets be honest how many tournaments do you feel like they would be able to win?

Players like Nadal or Federer or Djokovic have some inborn talents in them which gives them a headstart in their career, you know.

But other players like Medvedev or Zverev don't have that, they have to get better over time by practicing a lot.
Yes, Nadal and Federer were far better than Medvedev at his age but I think that it has something a bit related to god-gift which gave them the headstart they needed to come to a legendary position they are in right now.

[Trofo]

There has been some whirl and noise about the glorification and ascension to heavens of Nadal on his 21st Grand Slam. Apparently, most reporters and many people seem oblivious to the fact that Steffi Graf, Venus Williams and Navratilova all won more grand slams than Nadal and they do not seem to have caught as much wind in the news. I am not inclined to think that a fem grand slam has the same grade of competitiveness than a male one.

Anyway, I would like to place a binary bet: Will Nadal ever win another GS title?

Your need to get your facts straight. Steffi Graf won 22 grand slam titles but Venus Williams and Navratilova but won less titles than Nadal. Only Margaret Court (24) and Serena Williams (23) have won more than Nadal also. Next grand title for Nadal will probably be Roland Garros!

Even though I should not be saying this out loud but I guess women's tennis back then were not as competitive as it is right now and as a result legends like Steffi Graph or Venus Williams won a lot of titles.

But we can also say that there were better players like Sharapova and Serena at the same period but I think Men's Tennis is a bit more competitive.

And I would disagree that Nadal will win another title as I personally think that he has neared his retirement as his pace and endurance have dipped a bit. But I do have to say that he totally deserved this GS.

Maybe it is not modern fay of thinking but you can't compare grand slam titles between WTA and ATP. Guys are playing grueling BO5 matches while girls still play BO3. I am all for equality but then let's make them play by the same rules and see who will be left standing. Without looking at the numbers I am quite sure Barty total time on court this year in AO has been less then Nadal time on court in just semi final and final.

[Jating]

The difference between Roddick and Medvedev type of players and other superstars like Nadal and Federer is that by the time they were in Medvedevs age, they were capable of winning a few championships, while others couldn't so obviously it is not easy for these people to feel that at ease.

If you are 17-18 years old and lose to Nadal on the finals then you could still be hopeful about things, but when you are 25+ years old and only have a few finals and no titles then you feel like your chance is slipping out of your hand and that is why you do not want to hear any advice from anyone. If he believed that he still has a lot of chance in the future then he would be fine but lets be honest how many tournaments do you feel like they would be able to win?

Players like Nadal or Federer or Djokovic have some inborn talents in them which gives them a headstart in their career, you know.

Not sure what you mean by in-born, maybe they are a freak of nature but still they have to work harder just to be on top.

But other players like Medvedev or Zverev don't have that, they have to get better over time by practicing a lot.
Yes, Nadal and Federer were far better than Medvedev at his age but I think that it has something a bit related to god-gift which gave them the headstart they needed to come to a legendary position they are in right now.

I do think both Medvedev or Zverev has some in born talents, but they really have to developed it, specially the mental aspects of this game. Your down 2 sets, and maybe thinking how can you overcome and make a comeback? And this what separates the best from the elites like the big 3. They are still focus on winning even if the chances are slim. Unlike others who might easily give up thinking that they don't have a chance anymore.

[aoluain]

^
Yes we have seen this never give up attitude from Nadal this year already,
down 2 sets and still he takes the title, We saw it last year with Djokovic at
RG, down 2 sets to Tsitsipas and snatches the win from him. That is serious
talent, Skill and mental fortitude.

I agree that a lot of the promising younger players need to perfect that combination.

The triad ^∆ of the mens game have those qualities in abundance
and as they have won through the years they have been able to fine tune them
to build on what they have.

[Cnut237]

^
Yes we have seen this never give up attitude from Nadal this year already,
down 2 sets and still he takes the title, We saw it last year with Djokovic at
RG, down 2 sets to Tsitsipas and snatches the win from him. That is serious
talent, Skill and mental fortitude.

I agree that a lot of the promising younger players need to perfect that combination.

The triad ^∆ of the mens game have those qualities in abundance
and as they have won through the years they have been able to fine tune them
to build on what they have.

There is a big psychological obstacle for younger players to overcome. The big three are all all-time legends, the best and most dominant players that tennis has seen. Yes, their ability to come back from seemingly unwinnable situations is a big part of that... but imagine you are an elite tennis player, just broken into the top 10 in the world, playing Nadal or Djokovic or Federer in a Slam final. You are 2 sets up... and then suddenly they start to fight back, they start to take games away from you. The tension these players must feel just knowing who is across the net from you has to play a part... they are almost guaranteed to fight back, and history shows that if you think you are winning easily against them, it is often an illusion, their status as legends of the game gives them an aura of invincibility, and it can be difficult to fight that.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Even though I should not be saying this out loud but I guess women's tennis back then were not as competitive as it is right now and as a result legends like Steffi Graph or Venus Williams won a lot of titles.
But we can also say that there were better players like Sharapova and Serena at the same period but I think Men's Tennis is a bit more competitive.
And I would disagree that Nadal will win another title as I personally think that he has neared his retirement as his pace and endurance have dipped a bit. But I do have to say that he totally deserved this GS.

Maybe it is not modern fay of thinking but you can't compare grand slam titles between WTA and ATP. Guys are playing grueling BO5 matches while girls still play BO3. I am all for equality but then let's make them play by the same rules and see who will be left standing. Without looking at the numbers I am quite sure Barty total time on court this year in AO has been less then Nadal time on court in just semi final and final.

No no, I have to oppose that. I think men playing BO5 and women playing BO3's is fair.

Because physically and biologically, men have more endurance and power compared to women.

For example, in cricket, you know, the boundaries of women's cricket are smaller than that of men. So, I don't think making them play the same amount as men would be a fair trade.

[Trofo]

Even though I should not be saying this out loud but I guess women's tennis back then were not as competitive as it is right now and as a result legends like Steffi Graph or Venus Williams won a lot of titles.
But we can also say that there were better players like Sharapova and Serena at the same period but I think Men's Tennis is a bit more competitive.
And I would disagree that Nadal will win another title as I personally think that he has neared his retirement as his pace and endurance have dipped a bit. But I do have to say that he totally deserved this GS.

Maybe it is not modern fay of thinking but you can't compare grand slam titles between WTA and ATP. Guys are playing grueling BO5 matches while girls still play BO3. I am all for equality but then let's make them play by the same rules and see who will be left standing. Without looking at the numbers I am quite sure Barty total time on court this year in AO has been less then Nadal time on court in just semi final and final.

No no, I have to oppose that. I think men playing BO5 and women playing BO3's is fair.

Because physically and biologically, men have more endurance and power compared to women.

For example, in cricket, you know, the boundaries of women's cricket are smaller than that of men. So, I don't think making them play the same amount as men would be a fair trade.

Are women in cricket making the same money from tournaments as men? I really doubt it. They are making exactly the same in tennis from grand slam rewards so I say give them same rules then. It should be something they want as well since best of 5 is what makes grand slams special and they will never be treated the same in the eyes of sponsors and most supporters until they do.

In soccer and handball, women are playing on same fields with same rules and same game lengths.

[Minor Miner]

The difference between Roddick and Medvedev type of players and other superstars like Nadal and Federer is that by the time they were in Medvedevs age, they were capable of winning a few championships, while others couldn't so obviously it is not easy for these people to feel that at ease.
If you are 17-18 years old and lose to Nadal on the finals then you could still be hopeful about things, but when you are 25+ years old and only have a few finals and no titles then you feel like your chance is slipping out of your hand and that is why you do not want to hear any advice from anyone. If he believed that he still has a lot of chance in the future then he would be fine but lets be honest how many tournaments do you feel like they would be able to win?

Players like Nadal or Federer or Djokovic have some inborn talents in them which gives them a headstart in their career, you know.

Not sure what you mean by in-born, maybe they are a freak of nature but still they have to work harder just to be on top.

But other players like Medvedev or Zverev don't have that, they have to get better over time by practicing a lot.
Yes, Nadal and Federer were far better than Medvedev at his age but I think that it has something a bit related to god-gift which gave them the headstart they needed to come to a legendary position they are in right now.

I do think both Medvedev or Zverev has some in born talents, but they really have to developed it, specially the mental aspects of this game. Your down 2 sets, and maybe thinking how can you overcome and make a comeback? And this what separates the best from the elites like the big 3. They are still focus on winning even if the chances are slim. Unlike others who might easily give up thinking that they don't have a chance anymore.

What I meant by born-in-talent is something like a god gift, a prodigy from his birth.

But, I agree that even if they are god-gifted players, they need to train really hard to keep up with the pace but still, I do think that a slight headstart compared to others goes a long way.
In particular, in football we have Messi-Ronaldo, no one can match them. Same in Tennis, we have these big 3. No one can match them.