[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[stick]

These details are fuzzy and I'm not sure if this is how it works.  Are there two separate sets of seeds words when you use multiple passphrases?

Moreorless correct but it's not needed to change seed. Just use different passphrases each time when you press Forget device and myTREZOR asks for a passphrase.

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[BurtW]

Here is what I think you are saying to set up multiple passphrases:
a) check the advanced box to enable the passphrase
b) enter a passphrase and then record the 24 word base seed. Let's call this wallet1 = base seed + passphrase1
c) select the forget device function
d) enable and enter a new passphrase and record a new set of 24 words.  These are wallet2 = base seed + passphrase2.
e) always forget device before leaving myTrezor so that it forces me to enter a passphrase to select the wallet I want.

I think the corrections above are more what you are looking for.

You also have a wallet with no passphrase that you can use:  wallet0 = base seed

[molecular]

I expect my TREZOR to arrive some time this week! In the meantime, I have a few questions about the setup. I have read the online User Guide, but there are some details that are not clear to me:

1) At what point during the first time setup is it ok to unplug the TREZOR from the computer?  Do I have to wait for the full recovery seed recording to be completed?  Or is it safe to unplug the TREZOR, and still complete the initial setup?

2) If I want to set up a Multi-Passphrase Encryption, what are the exact sequence of actions.  The instructions are extremely vague, and I do not want to make a mistake.  (Does it only work right after the first time setup, or can I force a second setup after lots of use?  Is there a second set of recovery seeds that I need to record?)

3) Once there are more than one passphrase set up correctly, how do I access one when I plug it in?

4) Is there any detailed description or screenshots of how to use the multiple Accounts and their associated addresses?  (The user guide is sparse on details.)

Thanks

This is what I found out:

If you want to use passphrases, check the passphrases box when initializing. You can use it with no password, except the password dialog appears when you plug in, just click enter. To change from one passphrase to another, you have to issue the "forget device" function.

Just remember that the passwords are a part of the seed, so you need to safely write down both your 24 seed words and your passphrases.

Here is what I think you are saying to set up multiple passphrases:
a) check the advanced box to enable the passphrase
b) enter a passphrase and then record the 24 words. Let's call this passphrase1 and seed1
c) select the forget device function
d) enable and enter a new passphrase and record a new set of 24 words.  These are passphrase2 and seed2.
e) always forget device before leaving myTrezor so that it forces me to enter a passphrase

These details are fuzzy and I'm not sure if this is how it works.  Are there two separate sets of seeds words when you use multiple passphrases?

thanks

no, you use the same 24 words.

seed_wallet1 = seed + passphrase1
seed_wallet2 = seed + passphrase2

[BurtW]

no, you use the same 24 words.

seed_wallet1 = seed + passphrase1
seed_wallet2 = seed + passphrase2

Beat you to it.

[molecular]

no, you use the same 24 words.

seed_wallet1 = seed + passphrase1
seed_wallet2 = seed + passphrase2

Beat you to it.

And stick beat us both

[blossbloss]

stick, BurtW, molecular,

Thanks for providing the clarity on the multi-passphrase process.  I appreciate it.

[randomguy7]

Is there a way to toggle the "request-password"-flag in the trezor without reinitializing it?
As no-password results in the same wallet as an empy password it would be nice to be able to switch between the settings (without having to generate a new seed).

[klokan]

Is there a way to toggle the "request-password"-flag in the trezor without reinitializing it?
As no-password results in the same wallet as an empy password it would be nice to be able to switch between the settings (without having to generate a new seed).

What makes you think that the "no password" is the same wallet as an "empty password"? I doubt it is true. If you switched that flag, you would probably loose access to your "no password" account. Just reinitialize the device with the passphrase enabled.

[randomguy7]

Is there a way to toggle the "request-password"-flag in the trezor without reinitializing it?
As no-password results in the same wallet as an empy password it would be nice to be able to switch between the settings (without having to generate a new seed).

What makes you think that the "no password" is the same wallet as an "empty password"? I doubt it is true. If you switched that flag, you would probably loose access to your "no password" account. Just reinitialize the device with the passphrase enabled.

1. It makes sense because the wallet is based on seed + password (probably put through some hashing functions).
2. I tried it  


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[molecular]

Is there a way to toggle the "request-password"-flag in the trezor without reinitializing it?
As no-password results in the same wallet as an empy password it would be nice to be able to switch between the settings (without having to generate a new seed).

I second this feature request.

[gweedo]

Is there a way to toggle the "request-password"-flag in the trezor without reinitializing it?
As no-password results in the same wallet as an empy password it would be nice to be able to switch between the settings (without having to generate a new seed).

I second this feature request.

I second the feature request to have them ACTUALLY FIX THEIR WALLET so it ACTUALLY WORKS, but me and another person are the only ones that are having the trouble, no one actually cares about that feature.

Plus I want know why they were blaming bitcoin-lib js when that isn't the problem?

[arorts]

I do have Xcode and Brew. What should I do then? BTW, I'm also seeing people pointing out to python-trezor so that's yet another thing I'm trying to make sense out of it in addition to the Electrum plug-in for OS X.
Thx for your help.

I sucessfully installed Electrum 1.9.8 release from the github repo following the MacOSX instructions here
https://electrum.org/download.html

As you already have xcode and brew installed I assume you are comfortable with the command line !

I haven't yet tried the latest master with the Trezor commits as I am still awaiting my classic first edition to reach me.
https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/commits/master

This plugin
https://github.com/m0mchil/electrum/blob/master/plugins/trezor.py

clearly requires python-trezor
https://github.com/trezor/python-trezor/tree/master/trezorlib

Code:

try:
    from trezorlib.client import types
    from trezorlib.client import proto, BaseClient, ProtocolMixin
    from trezorlib.qt.pinmatrix import PinMatrixWidget
    from trezorlib.transport import ConnectionError
    from trezorlib.transport_hid import HidTransport
    TREZOR = True
except ImportError:
    TREZOR = False

The webbrowser plugin is completely different, you need it to setup your Trezor with myTrezor (unless you want to setup/restore your Trezor with the python tools)

Are you referring to installing the Ubuntu's *Development version* and not the "Latest release" in that link?

Does your install process for OS X create any .app entries as well in your Applications folder. I was able to get Electrum wallet to start via command line only but couldn't locate the .app/.dmg file that the github *Developer version* README file refers to.

Does the python setup provide additional features not available in  myTrezor (order of change address spending, freeze, etc?)

In the long-run, I'd like to be able to restore access to all my private keys in the unlikely scenario Trezor completely ceases to exist or USB interface is discontinued.

[dnaleor]

Is there a way to toggle the "request-password"-flag in the trezor without reinitializing it?
As no-password results in the same wallet as an empy password it would be nice to be able to switch between the settings (without having to generate a new seed).

I second this feature request.

me 2
you could add it on the home page together with "change label" and "change pin"
just add a checkbox and it's done

If you want to acces a password protected wallet, just check the box and "forget device", connect again and it's done.
If you want to acces the unprotected wallet, uncheck box, "forget device", connect again and it's done

[RKZ72]

Why is payment only in Bitcoin? 

[Anon136]

Why is payment only in Bitcoin? 

You're kidding right?

[BurtW]

Why is payment only in Bitcoin? 

You're kidding right?

No, he wants to pay in Zimbabweee dollars.

[anarchoatheist]

Does wiping the Trezor then restoring the seed in any way lessen the security of that particular seed? I feel a little uncomfortable moving my fortune onto the wallet without first testing that I can restore it. Before creating my final wallet, I did extensive testing with creating then restoring wallets with and without passwords. Even though I now feel like I am experienced, I feel an uneasy sense not testing the final wallet. What if somehow I wrote the seed down wrong or something. Is this just my O.C.D. messing with me? I would like to test it but I dont like the idea of typing my seed words of my final wallet into the computer either. I know there are a few other wallets that have you confirm that your wallet seed backup is good such as Electrum or Mycelium.

[klokan]

Does wiping the Trezor then restoring the seed in any way lessen the security of that particular seed? I feel a little uncomfortable moving my fortune onto the wallet without first testing that I can restore it. Before creating my final wallet, I did extensive testing with creating then restoring wallets with and without passwords. Even though I now feel like I am experienced, I feel an uneasy sense not testing the final wallet. What if somehow I wrote the seed down wrong or something. Is this just my O.C.D. messing with me? I would like to test it but I dont like the idea of typing my seed words of my final wallet into the computer either. I know there are a few other wallets that have you confirm that your wallet seed backup is good such as Electrum or Mycelium.

Yes it does. Not to the point of breakability, but it's less secure if keylogged: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122438.msg8243033#msg8243033
If you plan to test it, then it's a good idea to do it on a secure computer.

[molecular]

Why is payment only in Bitcoin? 

go buy some bitcoins (don't invest more than you can afford to lose)

[molecular]

Does wiping the Trezor then restoring the seed in any way lessen the security of that particular seed? I feel a little uncomfortable moving my fortune onto the wallet without first testing that I can restore it. Before creating my final wallet, I did extensive testing with creating then restoring wallets with and without passwords.

I recommend testing the seed.

Here's a little story: I had a seed and quite a bit of money on my trezor. I had tested seed restore before, but hadn't tested that seed.

When I received my plastic trezors, I wanted to restore that seed to one of it as backup. Guess what: It wouldn't work. I tried roughly 5 times to restore the seed. Only after having moved the funds to a new seed and a couple of days later did I notice I was misreading my handwriting on one of the words.