[ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers

[wasref]

how much was raised

[Bigcabrito]

how much was raised

The ICO ends on March, 21st 2016.

They have raised ~3,600 BTC thus far.

[johny08]

how much was raised

The ICO ends on March, 21st 2016.

They have raised ~3,600 BTC thus far.

the crypti project was not very successfull in meanings of price development.

it started at 1 mill. usd and dropped half and never ever went up again until the devs went out of money.

lisk seems to be the same tech as crypti project (a fork). there is not much tech more you can put in a dapp protocoll network. just fresh money for maintaining and pushing into the market. a good tech with reputition is selling by itself.

the developers coming from next. and next is not really successfull project, in meanings of tech nor price development. its outdated tech and crashed almost 10x from its peak at 60 mill.

conclusion:
-known developers for failing projects in means of develeoped to the end, but didnt make it on the market, like 100 other coins. 100 coins trying 1 is successfull. this one will be not successfull.

the 3600 btc are being collected by greed and speculation, but not on facts. big players, saying to me, they are not touching the presale. maybe i asked the wrong ones.

I do hope lisk can get a success. there is a dozen other coins trying to be on the ethereum wave as it was the same with btc and all the others clons of it.

i supported the coin from the beginning, just getting mixed reactions on lisk. too much history behind the devs with next and crypti and there are walls of acceptance IMO.

I am invested as well.

Want to be the crypto szene a little bit more honest. There are almost just spammers around, want high fast profit.

Thats destroying the altcoins and btc and the community.

[a20756079]

i want join it.

[Vaccomondus]

i guess this can end to 10k satoshi per coin at the end of the ico, but it will increase to 100k satoshi after it?

[Bigcabrito]

how much was raised

The ICO ends on March, 21st 2016.

They have raised ~3,600 BTC thus far.

the crypti project was not very successfull in meanings of price development.

it started at 1 mill. usd and dropped half and never ever went up again until the devs went out of money.

lisk seems to be the same tech as crypti project (a fork). there is not much tech more you can put in a dapp protocoll network. just fresh money for maintaining and pushing into the market. a good tech with reputition is selling by itself.

the developers coming from next. and next is not really successfull project, in meanings of tech nor price development. its outdated tech and crashed almost 10x from its peak at 60 mill.

conclusion:
-known developers for failing projects in means of develeoped to the end, but didnt make it on the market, like 100 other coins. 100 coins trying 1 is successfull. this one will be not successfull.

the 3600 btc are being collected by greed and speculation, but not on facts. big players, saying to me, they are not touching the presale. maybe i asked the wrong ones.

I do hope lisk can get a success. there is a dozen other coins trying to be on the ethereum wave as it was the same with btc and all the others clons of it.

i supported the coin from the beginning, just getting mixed reactions on lisk. too much history behind the devs with next and crypti and there are walls of acceptance IMO.

I am invested as well.

Want to be the crypto szene a little bit more honest. There are almost just spammers around, want high fast profit.

Thats destroying the altcoins and btc and the community.

I don't believe there is such a thing as finished development regarding the improvement of the technology.

Regarding Nxt and Crypti, I do not consider them as failures in any way. They paved the way for second generation crypto-currencies. At present time we have blockchain technologies that are really impressive.

Regarding the team behind Lisk, they were never core members of either Nxt nor Crypti. On the upside, they have gained experience working with these projects while experiencing both success and failures.

Success is no accident. It is earned by hard work, perseverance and sacrifices. This team has grit.  

[LiskHQ]

i did not get my btc for the signature campaign. did i make something wrong?

You won't get BTC, only LISK and only after the launch of Lisk. Right now there is no network we could use to transfer the LISK.

can i fund my exchange i iniciated on the 22 februar without transfering coins to it?

Yes. Bonus is taken from the time of transaction as others already said.

can anyone explain what is the technical advantage or supperior idea in comparison to crypti. why was lisk born?

can anyone explain what is the technical advantage or supperior idea in comparison to crypti. why was lisk born?

They had a different vision on future development. Lisk is a fork of Crypti, so at present time there is not much difference.

The most prominent change is block rewards for forgers which provides incentive for people to delegate and secure the network.

As time passes they will begin to drift apart and the technical advantages should become clearer.

Exactly. Olivier and I are already working on the next features. It will take a few weeks to really see a big differences between Lisk and Crypti. But this time will definitely come sooner than later.

[MalReynolds]

how much was raised

The ICO ends on March, 21st 2016.

They have raised ~3,600 BTC thus far.

At this time about 2900 "new" BTC have been raised, creating a $1.2 million cash technical development fund. About 775 BTC have been transferred over from Crypti, and this represents the fair market value of the Version 0.5.5 code base that Lisk will use at launch.  About 346 BTC have been given out in "early participation" rewards to kickstart the Lisk ICO and build a much larger community than existed at Crypti.  These BTC are effectively an advertising expense that has generated over 8 BTC for every 1 advertising BTC spent.   The growing Lisk community is now in the high hundreds / low thousands of people who represents a tangible asset easily worth what has been spent in advertising to get them organized.

These numbers are detailed and updated in the upper left corner of the following public spreadsheets tracking the Lisk ICO.

How Many Lisk You Will Receive For One Bitcoin (BTC)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iOEdaRnBmSAO5miW7xYheeYUgo5wL9l9BONw6x21nQg/edit?usp=sharing

How Many Lisk You Will Receive For One Crypti (XCR)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GwWKK7bpjYTxtQRIq_l2xiKI9rEOpTU1oTt0q3C6Mc8/edit?usp=sharing

The Satoshi Price For One Lisk

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q2MJ25_bK5Yi60FYohYCUEkujUtL5c0P1dOdlDMPMBI/edit?usp=sharing

[lisker]

Concerning the Coindesk article, I would suggest having it published after the ICO so that our investment may fructify instead of having less but more expensive Lisks.

If another 3600 BTC are invested during the ICO we would get two times less two times more expensive Lisk. Whereas if 3600 BTC are invested after the ICO we would have the same amount but worth more.

So it is better to gain popularity after the ICO but that's my opinion.

[MalReynolds]

I'd like to participate in this ICO but I'm worried about investing my BTC while lot of XCR holders have dumped 60% of all XCR in existence this ICO.

It feels like BTC investors are simply bailing out XCR bag holders in this ICO.

BTC investors are NOT bailing out XCR bag holders in this ICO!

THERE IS NOT A ONE-FOR-ONE EXCHANGE OF CRYPTI XCR FOR LISK.

XCR members joining Lisk are getting their donations capped at the fair market value (at Poloniex, for example) of 1300 satoshi per XCR.    You can see that by going to the "How many Lisk will I get for my XCR" spreadsheet link in my other post above.  At present, the number is 0.274 Lisk will be issued for every Crypti XCR donated, and that number continues to drop as more BTC shows up.  A Lisk is currently worth 4759 Satoshi.  If you trade in ONE Crypti XCR, you currently get 0.274 Lisk and your new Lisk holding is worth 0.274 * 4759 = 1300 satoshi (with minor roundoff error).  

Now look at the "How many Lisk will I get for my BTC" spreadsheet.  If you trade in ONE Bitcoin, you currently get 21,100 Lisk and your new Lisk holding is worth 21,100 * 4759 = 100,000,000 satoshi (with minor roundoff error), which is exactly 1 BTC.

As noted in my post above, so far there have been 773 BTC worth of XCR donated to Lisk at the fixed fair market rate of 1300 satoshi and 2900 actual BTC donated at the adjustable fair market rate of 4759 satoshi per Lisk and rising.   The 773 BTC donated by Crypti holders is the fair market value of all the currently existing Version 0.5.5 sidechain / dapp software that Lisk will use at launch.  The Version 0.5.5 sidechain / dapp software used to launch Lisk is NOT VAPORWARE and its use does not come to the new BTC donors for free.  Utilization of that software as a starting point is currently priced fairly at 773 BTC.  The BTC donations of 2900+ will be used as a cash development fund to IMPROVE THIS CODE BASE and create Lisk Version 0.5.6 and beyond.

To summarize, the value of XCR donations are are capped at 1300 satoshi per coin; the value of BTC donations are continuously adjusted upward to get the current Lisk satoshi value (currently 4759 and rising).  That capped vs. continuous adjustment factor is what keeps the XCR folks from being "bailed out" by the BTC donors!

XCR donators have created a solid sidechain / dapp code base foundation and the new BTC donators are providing funding to improve it.   XCR and BTC donors are not opponents here.  We are all members of the new Lisk team!

[lisker]

  A Lisk is currently worth 4759 Satoshi, and that number continues to drop as more BTC shows up. 

It is the opposite.

[MalReynolds]

A Lisk is currently worth 4759 Satoshi, and that number continues to drop as more BTC shows up.  

It is the opposite.

Yeah, I put that phrase in the wrong place.  Corrected, thanks.

[mr001]

i watch every 10 minutes my estimated lisk number. all my food money is inside.

money money money, give me money.

its aaaaall about money.

but what about the tech behind?

exactly. ethereum has a big team of devs, and Vitali is acted like a guru. 
big companys and banks are invested in Eth, and devs are working not for free. it's aaaaall about money.

[mr001]

Want to be the crypto szene a little bit more honest. There are almost just spammers around, want high fast profit.
Thats destroying the altcoins and btc and the community.
[/quote]
+1 this is really a big problem. but there is one another issue. all cryptos are in competition, the winner are happy, the loser are frustrated. it should be more better to collaborating with each others.

[whisper]

Theoretically how many TPS Lisk network can handle?

I'm sorry if already answered.

[Calabi–Yau Manifold]

i guess this can end to 10k satoshi per coin at the end of the ico, but it will increase to 100k satoshi after it?

Yes, possible. Just look at FCT ico. ETH is big thing, hard to do comparision with ETH so look at FCT.

Lisk ico will hit around 8000-10000 satoshis /1 lisk imo.

30000-50000 is target for first rise at bittrex. 100000 and even 200000 is target for 2nd rise at poloniex.

All we need is HODL few weeks, 3-4m max imo.

The real party will be started at poloniex, selling fast at bittrex is bad idea. Really huge bag of BTC awaiting at poloniex.

[dotabeard]

Last week for the bounty campaign 

[LiskHQ]

Last week for the bounty campaign  

Yes, I will collect all data this evening and make a final list.

[MalReynolds]

Last week for the bounty campaign  

Yes, I will collect all data this evening and make a final list.

Can you please post the official BTC count for 15%, 10% and 5% when you get those?  I will adjust my spreadsheets with this data.

[lordoliver]

i guess this can end to 10k satoshi per coin at the end of the ico, but it will increase to 100k satoshi after it?

Yes, possible. Just look at FCT ico. ETH is big thing, hard to do comparision with ETH so look at FCT.

Lisk ico will hit around 8000-10000 satoshis /1 lisk imo.

30000-50000 is target for first rise at bittrex. 100000 and even 200000 is target for 2nd rise at poloniex.

All we need is HODL few weeks, 3-4m max imo.

The real party will be started at poloniex, selling fast at bittrex is bad idea. Really huge bag of BTC awaiting at poloniex.

It's sad, that projects these days are getting less and less ROI for investors because of those greedy ICO tactics