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[coinlocket$]

Im still betting tomorrow for a Hamilton top 1, he should take the lead eventually as experience shows up long term on the track. I think it's unlikely Verstappen gets lucky enough to do pole+win this weekend.

He got too much luck the past week with his victory he needs to compensate .

I hope finally for a fight between Bottas and Hamilton, last week Bottas lost a huge opportunity for the comeback on the leaderboard.

What he is waiting for? He is so week this should be the last year to Mercedes (always if Hamilton will not leave at the end of the season).

He is too weak, he doesn't deserve the best car on the game IMHO, there are better pilots than him.

[Juggy777]

Im still betting tomorrow for a Hamilton top 1, he should take the lead eventually as experience shows up long term on the track. I think it's unlikely Verstappen gets lucky enough to do pole+win this weekend.

He got too much luck the past week with his victory he needs to compensate .

I hope finally for a fight between Bottas and Hamilton, last week Bottas lost a huge opportunity for the comeback on the leaderboard.

What he is waiting for? He is so week this should be the last year to Mercedes (always if Hamilton will not leave at the end of the season).

He is too weak, he doesn't deserve the best car on the game IMHO, there are better pilots than him.

Verstappen showed great form to clinch the pole position, and Hamilton will really need to work hard on his strategy to beat him. While Verstappen is starting from pole, I feel he’ll loose it to Hamilton as he’s not experienced enough to beat him. Bottas is a good driver but Mercedes will never allow him to beat Hamilton, I’m sure they’ll ask him to make way for Hamilton in today’s race.

[joniboini]

Bottas is a good driver but Mercedes will never allow him to beat Hamilton, I’m sure they’ll ask him to make way for Hamilton in today’s race.

I really hate team order sometimes. It's as if one of the riders need to slow down and make a way to pass his friends so he can win the race. That's not a race at all.

I still believe Hamilton will win the race, has lots of experience behind him and he's really strong this season. It would be a surprise if he didn't win just because he didn't get the pole.

[Saint-loup]

Bottas is a good driver but Mercedes will never allow him to beat Hamilton, I’m sure they’ll ask him to make way for Hamilton in today’s race.

I really hate team order sometimes. It's as if one of the riders need to slow down and make a way to pass his friends so he can win the race. That's not a race at all.

I still believe Hamilton will win the race, has lots of experience behind him and he's really strong this season. It would be a surprise if he didn't win just because he didn't get the pole.

I'm sorry but Hamilton is not the favorite of this race.
For the bookmakers, the favorite is Max Verstappen with an odd of 1.95 for him and 3.4 for Lewis Hamilton.
1.95 is rather high so Verstappen is not a big favorite, but the odd for Lewis Hamilton is even higher.
So, there will be suspense this afternoon. Hamilton is in 3rd position on the starting grid while Verstappen is in pole position.
Verstappen even beat the track record during the qualifying session.

https://www.oddschecker.com/motorsport/formula-1/hungarian-grand-prix/winner

[Tapyaks72]

Bottas is a good driver but Mercedes will never allow him to beat Hamilton, I’m sure they’ll ask him to make way for Hamilton in today’s race.

I really hate team order sometimes. It's as if one of the riders need to slow down and make a way to pass his friends so he can win the race. That's not a race at all.

I still believe Hamilton will win the race, has lots of experience behind him and he's really strong this season. It would be a surprise if he didn't win just because he didn't get the pole.

I'm sorry but Hamilton is not the favorite of this race.
For the bookmakers, the favorite is Max Verstappen with an odd of 1.95 for him and 3.4 for Lewis Hamilton.
1.95 is rather high so Verstappen is not a big favorite, but the odd for Lewis Hamilton is even higher.
So, there will be suspense this afternoon. Hamilton is in 3rd position on the starting grid while Verstappen is in pole position.

https://www.oddschecker.com/motorsport/formula-1/hungarian-grand-prix/winner

Maybe these the moment were Verstappen to shine in the podium, with team work and with better strategy, a better race and even getting championship, Hopefully we see some other drivers that would shine in the podium.

[coinlocket$]

Are you ready for the most boring race of the year? No Raid.

Good sleep while we will watch the race.

[Saint-loup]

Mick Schumacher, the son of Michael Schumacher, just won his first Grand Prix in Formula 2, this morning at Mogyoród (Hungary)! He starts to follow his father's footsteps... I think he could become a great champion too.

[Naida_BR]

Amazing race right now in Hungaroring with Hamilton pushing a lot Verstappen for a battle for the 1st position.
After pushing hard, Hamilton got out of track and he was left behind. I hope he will be able to reach Max again and see them fighting for the 1st place.

[slocker]

CZECH REPUBLIC MOTOGP - RACE RESULTS

POS   RIDER   NAT   TEAM   TIME/DIFF

1   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   39m 24.43s
2   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +2.452s
3   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (GP19)   +3.497s
4   Alex Rins   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +4.858s
5   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +6.007s
6   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +9.083s
7   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)*   +12.092s
8   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +13.976s
9   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +15.724s
10   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +16.558s
11   Pol Espargaro   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +18.234s
12   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP18)*   +19.738s
13   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   +22.539s
14   Johann Zarco   FRA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +30.459s
15   Stefan Bradl   GER   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +30.500s
16   Tito Rabat   SPA   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   +30.755s
17   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +37.170s
18   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +37.343s
19   Karel Abraham   CZE   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   +44.296s
20   Sylvain Guintoli   FRA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +48.938s
    Hafizh Syahrin   MAL   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   DNF
    Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   DNF
    Joan Mir   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   DNF

[coinlocket$]

So as predicted Hamilton won this race too and now he can say, he almost won the title.

The race was as predicted boring for the 90% of the time, I remember only a few really overtakes, the others were for different conditions of the tires.

The strategy of Hamilton won with fresh tires and the end.

Bottas is a really bad driver, he is good for Mercedes only cause he stays on his spot behind Hamilton.

Ferrari was not present on this race, this is probably the hardest race for them, next 2 races they will be the favorite on SPA and Monza.
Let's see finally if LKecrec can win a race on his 1st year.

What will happen next year?
Vettel will stay @Ferrari?
Hamilton will stay at @mercedes?

[Naida_BR]

So as predicted Hamilton won this race too and now he can say, he almost won the title.

The race was as predicted boring for the 90% of the time, I remember only a few really overtakes, the others were for different conditions of the tires.

The strategy of Hamilton won with fresh tires and the end.

Bottas is a really bad driver, he is good for Mercedes only cause he stays on his spot behind Hamilton.

Ferrari was not present on this race, this is probably the hardest race for them, next 2 races they will be the favorite on SPA and Monza.
Let's see finally if LKecrec can win a race on his 1st year.

What will happen next year?
Vettel will stay @Ferrari?
Hamilton will stay at @mercedes?

It was not boring at all.
The strategicsl move that Mercedes did made it very interesting.
Hamilton won the race totally fair and Mercedes showed that they are the best team in th th championship.

[slocker]

2019 FORMULA 1 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - RACE RESULTS

POSITION   DRIVER   NATIONALITY   TEAM   LAPS/GAP

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   70 laps
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 17.796s
3   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 61.433s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 65.250s
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 lap
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 1 lap
7   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 1 lap
9   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 lap
10   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1 lap
11   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1 lap
12   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 1 lap
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1 lap
14   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 1 lap
15   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 2 laps
16   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2 laps
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 2 laps
18   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 2 laps
19   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 3 laps
Ret   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   39 laps

What a race and Mercedes made good call with right change, Ferrari needs to improve for next race.

[coinlocket$]

It was not boring at all.
The strategicsl move that Mercedes did made it very interesting.
Hamilton won the race totally fair and Mercedes showed that they are the best team in th th championship.

Excuse me but when you can see overtakes only for the following reasons to me is a boring GP.

- Drives must save gas or they can't reach the end.

- Drives overtake only when they are 2 seconds faster every lap.

- The driver in front of you has no more tires.

Next 2 GPs will be fun to watch, this was interesting only on the duel Hamilton- Max, the following GPs will be interesting for every position (Not for Williams of course)

[maculeth]

CZECH REPUBLIC MOTOGP - RACE RESULTS

POS   RIDER   NAT   TEAM   TIME/DIFF

1   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   39m 24.43s
2   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +2.452s
3   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (GP19)   +3.497s
4   Alex Rins   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +4.858s
5   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +6.007s
6   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +9.083s
7   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)*   +12.092s
8   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +13.976s
9   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +15.724s
10   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +16.558s
11   Pol Espargaro   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +18.234s
12   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP18)*   +19.738s
13   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   +22.539s
14   Johann Zarco   FRA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +30.459s
15   Stefan Bradl   GER   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +30.500s
16   Tito Rabat   SPA   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   +30.755s
17   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +37.170s
18   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +37.343s
19   Karel Abraham   CZE   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   +44.296s
20   Sylvain Guintoli   FRA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +48.938s
    Hafizh Syahrin   MAL   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   DNF
    Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   DNF
    Joan Mir   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   DNF

good race, but a bit bored, because the distance between the drivers is quite far, the more confirmed Marquez at the top of the standings.

[LTU_btc]

It was really interesting race. Mercedes choose risky strategy for Hamilton to change tyres to medium, but it worked perfectly today. Though I think that Lewis woulds have overtaken Max even on hard tyres. As we saw Max had dead tyres in last laps, while Lewis had 6 laps newer hard tyres than Max. And I can't understand why Mercedes waited so long to pit Bottas when he had broken front wing.
@coinlocket$, I think it's safe to safe that Lewis already won tittle - it's clear for long time already. And I don't agree with you about Bottas - it's nonsense to call him bad driver.

[coinlocket$]

@coinlocket$, I think it's safe to safe that Lewis already won tittle - it's clear for long time already. And I don't agree with you about Bottas - it's nonsense to call him bad driver.

For me, he is only a normal driver nothing more else.

For sure is no easy to run with Hamilton but Bottas is falling often when Hamilton got some issues.

When you have the best car on the game and you are behind Verstappen prove that you are not so good, IMHO.

I like other drivers like LeClerc and Norris more than Bottas.

He did some great race on the past but hey what a car he has.

[DaveF]

good race, but a bit bored, because the distance between the drivers is quite far, the more confirmed Marquez at the top of the standings.

Sometimes it's the bike sometimes it's the rider. Sometimes when someone is just that far out front on a faster bike it all just gets boring.

On that subject.
I don't know how many people here have seen it, but BMW with the BMW Motorrad BoxerCup races have made it all about the rider.
Everyone has the exact same bike.

Yes it's the press blurb but:

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0296089EN/bmw-motorrad-boxercup-–-motorcycle-racing-with-guaranteed-edge-of-seat-thrills?language=en

If you have not watched them I recommend you at least take a look.

-Dave

[swogerino]

For the first time I feel sorry for Verstappen, I am not his fan but today he was driving great and it was Red Bull team fault for his loss.Hamilton drove great too and it was the risky move from Mercedes with that pit stop which I thought race over now but in fact it turned out to be a winning move of the race.At least Max got a point for the fastest lap.

[LTU_btc]

@coinlocket$, I think it's safe to safe that Lewis already won tittle - it's clear for long time already. And I don't agree with you about Bottas - it's nonsense to call him bad driver.

For me, he is only a normal driver nothing more else.

For sure is no easy to run with Hamilton but Bottas is falling often when Hamilton got some issues.

When you have the best car on the game and you are behind Verstappen prove that you are not so good, IMHO.

I like other drivers like LeClerc and Norris more than Bottas.

He did some great race on the past but hey what a car he has.

But Bottas constantly brings result that Mercedes needs and he is still 2nd in drivers championship. Being front wing of Hamilton, he is doing his job fine. Yeah, he was behind Verstappen several times this year, but I think we can call Max as the most talented driver on the grid.
And you should remember how many times other talented lads like Vettel or Lecler made mistakes this year, but you don't call them as bad drivers.
BTW, Toto Wolf said that they are choosing between Bottas and Occon, who will be their driver next season. So, few upcoming races is probably crucial for Bottas

[coinlocket$]

But Bottas constantly brings result that Mercedes needs and he is still 2nd in drivers championship. Being front wing of Hamilton, he is doing his job fine. Yeah, he was behind Verstappen several times this year, but I think we can call Max as the most talented driver on the grid.
And you should remember how many times other talented lads like Vettel or Lecler made mistakes this year, but you don't call them as bad drivers.
BTW, Toto Wolf said that they are choosing between Bottas and Occon, who will be their driver next season. So, few upcoming races is probably crucial for Bottas

Yes he is second but Max is very close now, He has the best car and he is closer to 3rd position more than second.

He has the best car but he fails to often, Of course, is a good second driver for Mercedes, he is a mat for Hamilton!

He will never do anything that can be an issue for Lewis, he can never win the title.

With Rosberg it was more exciting