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[AakZaki]

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/event/San+Marino#info-track

Sunday 13 September Moto GP races will take place at Marco Simoncelli Misano World Circuit, San Marino Italy. Seeing that from the five racing series there are four different winners and only QUARTARO can win twice, the competition for the title is increasingly difficult to determine. Interestingly, the race in Italy will take place in two series. Then seeing the character of this circuit there are slow turns, fast corners, straight tracks also exist, this combination is quite difficult for the racers. In 2019, Marquez won at this circuit, followed by two Yamaha riders QUARTARO and Vinales. How about the race this time, will it be different again? Yes, I hope the old VR racers can still win in this series. He plays at home and he has won three times at this circuit like Marquez and Lorenzo

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[Koal-84]

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/event/San+Marino#info-track

Sunday 13 September Moto GP races will take place at Marco Simoncelli Misano World Circuit, San Marino Italy. Seeing that from the five racing series there are four different winners and only QUARTARO can win twice, the competition for the title is increasingly difficult to determine. Interestingly, the race in Italy will take place in two series. Then seeing the character of this circuit there are slow turns, fast corners, straight tracks also exist, this combination is quite difficult for the racers. In 2019, Marquez won at this circuit, followed by two Yamaha riders QUARTARO and Vinales. How about the race this time, will it be different again? Yes, I hope the old VR racers can still win in this series. He plays at home and he has won three times at this circuit like Marquez and Lorenzo

Misano is a good track for Yamaha and also Suzuki, you say it, only Marc can beat the Yamahas the last year Rossi are #4 at the end, the time intervals were very short. But KTM is this year very strong and also have young and hungry drivers. Results and time intervals last year.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/ergebnisse/2019/session/san-marino-gp-rennen-29246.html

Marc beat Fabio in the last round.

[AakZaki]

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But KTM is this year very strong and also have young and hungry drivers. Results and time intervals last year.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/ergebnisse/2019/session/san-marino-gp-rennen-29246.html

Marc beat Fabio in the last round.

It seems that on this board not many people like MotoGP, it's just that we often discuss the Moto GP. 😀
You're right, but over the nine races the winners of this circuit were divided equally with Marquez, Lorenzo and Rossi three times as champions on this circuit. But maybe tomorrow Marquez won't race yet, and this is an advantage for his opponent. I think either Yamaha or Ducati will win at this circuit this season.

[Naida_BR]

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if  there was some rain 

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

[dre1982]

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if  there was some rain 

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

[Koal-84]

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But KTM is this year very strong and also have young and hungry drivers. Results and time intervals last year.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/ergebnisse/2019/session/san-marino-gp-rennen-29246.html

Marc beat Fabio in the last round.

It seems that on this board not many people like MotoGP, it's just that we often discuss the Moto GP. 😀                                                    You're right, but over the nine races the winners of this circuit were divided equally with Marquez, Lorenzo and Rossi three times as champions on this circuit. But maybe tomorrow Marquez won't race yet, and this is an advantage for his opponent. I think either Yamaha or Ducati will win at this circuit this season.

This looks really so  , but no problem with the discuss with you  . We well see at Misano but i think Suzuki also the Inline motor have also a very good handling and the engine is a litle bit stronger than Yamaha, and also have 2 good drivers. I don't count on Ducati but this year is all possible.

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if  there was some rain 

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

Very said for Sainz that he change to Ferrari, but i think Raikkönen have a little bit smile on his face when he overtake the Ferrari 

[-CryptoViking-]

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

[swogerino]

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

[Koal-84]

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

Not only Ferrari itself will have problems in Monza although they also have poor aerodynamics, unfortunately you will find all cars with Ferrari engines at the end of the field. I'm curious whether Ferrari will get past Q1 on Saturday.

[dre1982]

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

Not only Ferrari itself will have problems in Monza although they also have poor aerodynamics, unfortunately you will find all cars with Ferrari engines at the end of the field. I'm curious whether Ferrari will get past Q1 on Saturday.

I am afraid that Ferrari wont get it to Q2. If they make it, it would be a miracle. I am wondering how good Renault would to on that track.

I like those close race weekends all the time. We need just more races in a 'normal' season.

[Naida_BR]

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if  there was some rain 

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

Indeed.
He possibly got transferred to Ferrari in order to have a better future instead of sitting at McLaren.
Ferrari is not going to help him contest for a championship title if this car stays in this situation. I hope Binotto is going to do some moves during this season in order to improve the situation that happens right now.

[AakZaki]

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We well see at Misano but i think Suzuki also the Inline motor have also a very good handling and the engine is a litle bit stronger than Yamaha, and also have 2 good drivers. I don't count on Ducati but this year is all possible.

Although this circuit is a stop and go, I predict ducati because they are in their own home. Apart from that, Francesco Bagnaia did not experience the problems experienced by Dovizioso when cornering. Just look at the Andalusian MotoGP, Bagnaia, whose driving style relies on cornering speed, looks good. Bagnaia did not feel any motor problems when cornering, unfortunately she failed to enter the podium because Desmocini Gp was damaged. Although Bagnaia is not the same team as Dovizioso, I think it is a ducati manufacturer.

[Koal-84]

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if  there was some rain 

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

Indeed.
He possibly got transferred to Ferrari in order to have a better future instead of sitting at McLaren.
Ferrari is not going to help him contest for a championship title if this car stays in this situation. I hope Binotto is going to do some moves during this season in order to improve the situation that happens right now.

The problem by Ferrari is Binotto and the management, i think Ferrari must change more thinks then only the drivers. Ferrari have a big management problem. Technician, drivers and money are not there problems.

[-CryptoViking-]

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

I agree with you, it will be hard to watch, but they have to try to get as much as they possibly can from this one. At least show some fighting spirit, put up a fight, try some alternative strategy and mix it up during the race. Fans already know this season is gone down the drain, but would appreciate to see some fighting spirit at least.

[coinlocket$]

double GP in Monza, Ferrari will probably not upgrade the car anymore IMHO.

1st week GP should be a sunny week

2nd week GP should be a rainy week

1st GP without party mode but it will be dominated by Mercedes in the race, a different thing can be the qualify with Verstappen.

[Koal-84]

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We well see at Misano but i think Suzuki also the Inline motor have also a very good handling and the engine is a litle bit stronger than Yamaha, and also have 2 good drivers. I don't count on Ducati but this year is all possible.

Although this circuit is a stop and go, I predict ducati because they are in their own home. Apart from that, Francesco Bagnaia did not experience the problems experienced by Dovizioso when cornering. Just look at the Andalusian MotoGP, Bagnaia, whose driving style relies on cornering speed, looks good. Bagnaia did not feel any motor problems when cornering, unfortunately she failed to enter the podium because Desmocini Gp was damaged. Although Bagnaia is not the same team as Dovizioso, I think it is a ducati manufacturer.

Maybe but Ducati is at slower tracks where engine performance is not critical not so strong, but we will see. At Bagnaia i hope for him he becomes the chance for the factory team, and yes he is or looks a little bit stronger.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 GP.

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

I agree with you, it will be hard to watch, but they have to try to get as much as they possibly can from this one. At least show some fighting spirit, put up a fight, try some alternative strategy and mix it up during the race. Fans already know this season is gone down the drain, but would appreciate to see some fighting spirit at least.

  Ferrari has this year the luck, Monza without fans  

double GP in Monza, Ferrari will probably not upgrade the car anymore IMHO.

1st week GP should be a sunny week

2nd week GP should be a rainy week

1st GP without party mode but it will be dominated by Mercedes in the race, a different thing can be the qualify with Verstappen.

Ferrari have updates, smaller wings and a little bit changes at the aerodynamic, but i think all team have this.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-258076-formel-1-technik-special-ferrari-erklaert-monza-paket/

But only in German.

[coinlocket$]

Ferrari have updates, smaller wings and a little bit changes at the aerodynamic, but i think all team have this.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-258076-formel-1-technik-special-ferrari-erklaert-monza-paket/

But only in German.

yeah, but they are not going to spend a lot of money while the major problem is the not upgradable engine with 100 fewer horsepower.

They will test some things for next year or even skip next year for the postponed revolution of 2022.

FP2 today,



Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2020/09/04/formula-1-monza-italia-2020-diretta-prove-libere


The fun GP can be next week in Monza with probable rain.

[LTU_btc]

The fun GP can be next week in Monza with probable rain.

But next race will be held in Mugello, not in Monza. Any way, yeah, now it shows rain, but forecast may change, there is still a lot time until the race. I just remind that few days before Belgium GP there was 90% chance of rain.

[Juggy777]

Ferrari have updates, smaller wings and a little bit changes at the aerodynamic, but i think all team have this.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/formel1/news-258076-formel-1-technik-special-ferrari-erklaert-monza-paket/

But only in German.

yeah, but they are not going to spend a lot of money while the major problem is the not upgradable engine with 100 fewer horsepower.

They will test some things for next year or even skip next year for the postponed revolution of 2022.

Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2020/09/04/formula-1-monza-italia-2020-diretta-prove-libere


The fun GP can be next week in Monza with probable rain.

@coinlocket$ you’re correct as Ferrari chairman John Elkann too has confirmed this, that Ferrari is planning major updates that which will take place in 2022, and till then they’ll continue to struggle. Also with this confirmation we can safely bet on Mercedes to win the championship again, because Ferrari has surrendered the 2020 season, and the 2021 season even before it has began.

You’d think the only way from here would be up, but no - Ferrari is expecting the situation to continue for the foreseeable. Its ‘065’ car has fundamental issues, and a chassis freeze for 2020 and 2021 plus spending caps for next year means it won’t be possible to address the problems. Like some other teams, Ferrari is instead pinning its hopes on the drastic rule changes, now coming into force for 2022 instead of 2021 thanks to Covid-19.

He added: “Today we are laying the foundations for being competitive and returning to winning when the rules change in 2022. I am convinced of this”. So, we probably won’t be seeing either of the Scuderia’s drivers on the top step of the podium this year or next.

Source:

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/ferrari-doesnt-think-it-can-win-again-until-2022/

[coinlocket$]

But next race will be held in Mugello, not in Monza. Any way, yeah, now it shows rain, but forecast may change, there is still a lot time until the race. I just remind that few days before Belgium GP there was 90% chance of rain.

yeah you right sorry but anyway, Mugello si close to Monza not so far away so the weather can be the same.



Source: https://www.ilmeteo.it/meteo/Mugello



Anyway about F1 Today, not so sure about Mercedes pole position without party mode after all.