Why I'm an atheist

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Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

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[BADecker]

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

[af_newbie]

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

[BADecker]

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

But remember. We don't know how life came about. The complexity is far greater than any way we can seriously envision a form of evolution to have done it. Since this all came about in ways we don't understand, why are you so certain that it couldn't come about again?

[af_newbie]

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

But remember. We don't know how life came about. The complexity is far greater than any way we can seriously envision a form of evolution to have done it. Since this all came about in ways we don't understand, why are you so certain that it couldn't come about again?

True.  We don't know how the first microorganisms formed here on Earth (or were brought to Earth by falling meteorites or asteroids), but everything after that we have very good explanations backed by observable data.

Actually, if life on Earth formed rather quickly after Earth was formed, I am pretty confident a similar process might have occurred (is occurring or will occur) elsewhere in the universe.

As for human bodies, well, sorry, when you are dead, you are food for other organisms.  So you can shelf the story of Jesus as a fairytale for small children.  Sorry to break it to you, as I know your whole worldview is based on it.

[hornetsnest]

You are just mad.  You cannot survive inside Earth.  As for 'lakes of fire', where would the steady source of oxygen come from? LOL.
Does hell have in/out ventilation to the surface?

Yes the earth convulses or "vents" and volcanoes erupt and the earthquakes happen in many places.Don't assume it would be oxygen that causes the earth to convulse either. The Earth gets hotter as one travels towards the core, known as the geothermal gradient.The composition of Earth's core remains a mystery but yes as a lake is flat on the surface to your eyes on earth such will be the lake of fire within it.

BTW, the proteins in your body would denature at about 42 degrees Celsius.  Never mind the pressures and temperatures below the surface.
The temperature alone would increase by 25 degrees Celsius per kilometer of depth.
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Geothermal_gradient

Irrelevant-Refer to point regarding your soul below

BTW, what is the soul made of?

The soul is not made of flesh. It is the individual spirit that is placed within your flesh vessel . It's what makes you "YOU" and not the person standing next to you.




I can see by your tone that no answer will be enough but lead to another question so I will leave it to the very God you question to answer you in full one day in a way better than my limited ability can but maybe Hebrews Chapter 10 will help your understanding of God's mercy.......all the way to verse 31 please.

Fire needs oxygen.  It is really an oxidation reaction.  For the 'lakes of fire' to have a fire, you (God/Satan or whoever is managing the place) would need to supply oxygen and remove CO2.  This idea is as idiotic as the rest of the Bible.  Please stop and read a chemistry textbook.

What is the soul made of? (ROFL)

Hint: We know the exact composition of the human body.

While youre down in the earths core next time bring back a few samples for analysis so we can go through them. I'll just wait here ;-) 

Atheists are the origin of all savagery

[philipma1957]

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

But if you are not really flesh and blood and that you simply were created to think you are that you theory is wrong.

Of course if it is what you see is what you get then the flesh and blood would truly break down. You would be correct at least about the flesh and blood body.

My life's experience has shown me the following:

 the part of existence outside of me can contradict itself and basically do as it pleases.
I can choose to think and believe whatever I want about it.

The inside part of me my mind/soul/whatever can lie at times so well that it can trick me . 

So basically I simply try to be nice to others and not ponder upon these deep thoughts.

[BADecker]

But remember. We don't know how life came about. The complexity is far greater than any way we can seriously envision a form of evolution to have done it. Since this all came about in ways we don't understand, why are you so certain that it couldn't come about again?

True.  We don't know how the first microorganisms formed here on Earth (or were brought to Earth by falling meteorites or asteroids), but everything after that we have very good explanations backed by observable data. - Our ability to observe is very limited. Nobody has seen a virus jump from one person to the next. The idea that people catch disease from each other is a pure assumption. Since science isn't that far into explaining the metaphysical, perhaps viruses and disease are caught metaphysically, by empathy between people. And maybe people get well the same way. So, our observational data that explains most of anything is interpretation and assumption.

Actually, if life on Earth formed rather quickly after Earth was formed, I am pretty confident a similar process might have occurred (is occurring or will occur) elsewhere in the universe. - I like your little "if." If the moon is almost 100% green cheese, and the astronauts just happened to land on the part that is rock, Wisconsin and California cheese-makers would flip their lids... the lids on their cheese-making cauldrons, that is.

As for human bodies, well, sorry, when you are dead, you are food for other organisms.  So you can shelf the story of Jesus as a fairytale for small children.  Sorry to break it to you, as I know your whole worldview is based on it.

But nobody knows enough about the metaphysical to know that your body is you. The idea that your body is you, is a fairy-tale for small children.

Learn about God from the Bible so you can finally begin to understand how things really work.

[af_newbie]

Just learning that there are lots of gods in India that reach up to 36000 is really amazing. Let's just discount the number of gods of Vikings and Chinese gods. What are they all doing now while the world is on the brink of ww3?

I always remember the words of my father that gods are all made up. just as how the monster wolf he created when he don't want me to go to the woods.
If Jesus is true, are all those who had lived before him, going to hell?

Jesus's work on the cross took care of all sin for all time. His success in rising from the dead is the thing that literally upholds the universe.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the historical examples of what happened when people obeyed God and when they didn't. Jesus is the Son of God. Things of the universe are way different than science wants you to believe.

When a person is dead, nothing can bring them to life.  It is physically impossible.

The biochemical pathways in our cells cannot function without oxygen. Autolysis starts about 10 minutes after you die.
The breakdown of cell walls and subsequent decomposition is irreversible.

People who wrote the stories about Jesus did not know what planet they were on, never mind the cellular biochemistry.

But if you are not really flesh and blood and that you simply were created to think you are that you theory is wrong.

Of course if it is what you see is what you get then the flesh and blood would truly break down. You would be correct at least about the flesh and blood body.

My life's experience has shown me the following:

 the part of existence outside of me can contradict itself and basically do as it pleases.
I can choose to think and believe whatever I want about it.

The inside part of me my mind/soul/whatever can lie at times so well that it can trick me .  

So basically I simply try to be nice to others and not ponder upon these deep thoughts.

Microscopes don't lie.  The physics, chemistry, and biology of living organisms have been well established.  No need to argue about it.

As for the mythical soul, well, it is a literary fiction.  

[af_newbie]

But remember. We don't know how life came about. The complexity is far greater than any way we can seriously envision a form of evolution to have done it. Since this all came about in ways we don't understand, why are you so certain that it couldn't come about again?

True.  We don't know how the first microorganisms formed here on Earth (or were brought to Earth by falling meteorites or asteroids), but everything after that we have very good explanations backed by observable data. - Our ability to observe is very limited. Nobody has seen a virus jump from one person to the next. The idea that people catch disease from each other is a pure assumption. Since science isn't that far into explaining the metaphysical, perhaps viruses and disease are caught metaphysically, by empathy between people. And maybe people get well the same way. So, our observational data that explains most of anything is interpretation and assumption.

Actually, if life on Earth formed rather quickly after Earth was formed, I am pretty confident a similar process might have occurred (is occurring or will occur) elsewhere in the universe. - I like your little "if." If the moon is almost 100% green cheese, and the astronauts just happened to land on the part that is rock, Wisconsin and California cheese-makers would flip their lids... the lids on their cheese-making cauldrons, that is.

As for human bodies, well, sorry, when you are dead, you are food for other organisms.  So you can shelf the story of Jesus as a fairytale for small children.  Sorry to break it to you, as I know your whole worldview is based on it.

But nobody knows enough about the metaphysical to know that your body is you. The idea that your body is you, is a fairy-tale for small children.

Learn about God from the Bible so you can finally begin to understand how things really work.

I would but God is nowhere to be found.  It is impossible to observe/study fictional characters.

Next time you talk to God, ask him to PM me so that I can set up a zoom call with him, and meet in person (to study and observe him).

Bible is a Bronze Age literary artifact.  It is useless as a learning tool.  Unless you want to learn about the Bronze Age cultures.

My interests lie elsewhere.

[sirazimuth]

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My position is all atheists are religious fanatics that choose to believe in nothing. Totally as fucked up as religious beliefs.
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Dude, you are SO wrong.  I'm an atheist ,and I'm not a religious fanatic.  (atheism is not a religion, just like baldness is not a hair color)
I believe in plenty of rational things, like science. Its not fucked up, my friend. Quite the contrary.
You are painting with a broad brush. Put it away.

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The reality is we are simply too stupid to know what the fuck is happening and agnosticism is the only sane way to be.
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I used to be agnostic too. That's just a cop out. I got a clue, got off the fence, stopped being wishy washy, and took a stance.
And btw, maybe you do, but I don't think I'm too I'm stupid too know what's happening. Quite the contrary.

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Btw if you a true agnostic you can switch to either god belief or nothing belief when and if they are correctly and accurately described to you by the universe.
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Is that an order?

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I was raised a roman catholic grades k to 8 a total of nine years of training.
I have come to realize I have zero need to believe in things i do not understand or know.
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Then educate yourself to understand and know the things you don't.

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ie God or nothing.
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Not sure what your point is.

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For me good friends and kindness to people when possible are my goals while I live here on earth 🌏.
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You and me both, my friend.

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whats next don’t know don’t care I will deal with it when it happens.

fair enough.

And to answer the question in the thread title "why I'm an atheist" is quite simple really.
I don't believe in sky fairies and the supernatural. And I'm not "agnostic" about that either.

[Trading]

Christians claim that Jesus raised from the dead after 3 days.

3 days? What a coincidence. How many messiahs and religious figures raised from the dead after 3 days?

This myth was invented because of the Sun.

The Sun stays stationary between 21th and 24th December (for 3 days, the Winter Solstice) and then on 25th December “raises from the dead” and days start to increase in length again. It's because of this that it's a holiday for many pagans.

And it is also the reason why was picked by the church as the Jesus's "birthday".

They claim the resurrection has to be true, because the apostles wouldn’t risk their life for a lie.

Yet, there is no clear support for any organized and hard prosecution. Christians don’t claim that the Roman authorities killed anyone after the death of Jesus. The bible says that only Jesus was arrested.

Romans couldn’t care less for the Christians. No apostle claimed to be the king of the Jews.
According to Acts 18:12-17, the Roman proconsul Gallop dismissed a case against Paul.

Even if we believe the New Testament, there are just a few references to mild/mob prosecution and to the killing of Stephen.

And the apostles had good reasons to lie about the resurrection of Jesus (No way I’m going back to be a fisher again). They already had many followers or the Jewish religious authorities wouldn’t see them as a threat.

There were no more killings until more than 30 years later, under Nero. It’s when Paul and Peter are executed (about 64/68 CE) (he didn’t see that coming: damn, I should have kept being a fisher).

This persecution didn’t last long. There were more than a century of toleration until Marcus Aurelius (161–180).

Christians were much more diligent prosecuting others later, for centuries. "Nobody was expecting the Spanish Inquisition", but...

[hornetsnest]

Christians claim that Jesus raised from the dead after 3 days.

3 days? What a coincidence. How many messiahs and religious figures raised from the dead after 3 days?

This myth was invented because of the Sun.

The Sun stays stationary between 21th and 24th December (for 3 days, the Winter Solstice) and then on 25th December “raises from the dead” and days start to increase in length again. It's because of this that it's a holiday for many pagans.

And it is also the reason why was picked by the church as the Jesus's "birthday".

They claim the resurrection has to be true, because the apostles wouldn’t risk their life for a lie.

Yet, there is no clear support for any organized and hard prosecution. Christians don’t claim that the Roman authorities killed anyone after the death of Jesus. The bible says that only Jesus was arrested.

Romans couldn’t care less for the Christians. No apostle claimed to be the king of the Jews.
According to Acts 18:12-17, the Roman proconsul Gallop dismissed a case against Paul.

Even if we believe the New Testament, there are just a few references to mild/mob prosecution and to the killing of Stephen.

And the apostles had good reasons to lie about the resurrection of Jesus (No way I’m going back to be a fisher again). They already had many followers or the Jewish religious authorities wouldn’t see them as a threat.

There were no more killings until more than 30 years later, under Nero. It’s when Paul and Peter are executed (about 64/68 CE) (he didn’t see that coming: damn, I should have kept being a fisher).

This persecution didn’t last long. There were more than a century of toleration until Marcus Aurelius (161–180).

Christians were much more diligent prosecuting others later, for centuries. "Nobody was expecting the Spanish Inquisition", but...

The Jesus from Nazareth born to the virgin Mary (immaculate conception) who was crucified for your sins and is the one who stands between you and the just hand of the Living God will even offer you mercy on the day you ask for it and that day will come no matter if you believe it or not.

There were no more killings until more than 30 years later, under Nero. It’s when Paul and Peter are executed (about 64/68 CE) (he didn’t see that coming: damn, I should have kept being a fisher).

He did see it coming. Peter was persuaded by the Christian community in Rome to flee the savage persecution unleashed by the mad Emperor, Nero. ‘It would not be good if our leaders were captured,’ they argued. On the road to Naples and the South, the famous Via Appia (same route where the followers of spartacus lined the road hung on crosses), a few miles south of the city Peter met a man. ‘Quo vadis?’ he asked him. ‘I am going to Rome to be crucified,’ was the reply. Peter knew it was the Lord and turned on his heel and walked back to the city to share the fate of his brothers and sisters. They threw his body on the dump and on this dump today stands his church and hell will not prevail against it. VERY soon they will think it is destroyed but they are in for a surprise once their hour is over.

While it is possible that a person could die for a lie, in the case of Christianity, those who believed Jesus had risen from the dead, had credible evidence to support their fervent belief. Christians of that time had something in their possession that others who died for their beliefs did not have; a written record from eyewitnesses who stated they had seen Jesus crucified and then alive three days later.

This record also contained the testimony of the most astute Pharisee in Israel, Saul of Tarsus, who stated in 14 letters that He had seen the resurrected Jesus with his own eyes: “Am I not as free as anyone else? Am I not an apostle? Haven’t I seen Jesus our Lord with my own eyes?” ~1 Corinthians 9:1.

The Christians of that time knew well that Saul had persecuted Christians and sought their death. Immediately after Saul saw Jesus on the road to Damascus, he became a completely different man. Now known as Paul, he became the chief architect of the true facts of Jesus’ resurrection and the certain truth that He is the true Messiah. It was these written records that caused the early believers in Jesus to not deny His resurrection and make them willing to die with confidence that Jesus had risen from the dead.

We see evidence of these facts in that when the Romans gave Christians the opportunity to deny Jesus, and worship their Roman gods, they refused. Christians were so certain that Jesus had risen, they were willing to die because they believe He would also raise them.

It is certain that Roman leaders did not believe in the resurrection, but they certainly accepted that Christians believed that Jesus had risen from the dead. It is this record that remains in the Roman Senate today that is compelling evidence of Jesus’ resurrection.

These facts were established by the writings of Roman Historians, Tacitus and Suetonius, as they described the resurrection as a terrible superstition that would endanger the Roman Empire. It was for this reason that we have an incredible record that Jesus had risen from the dead because history records that over five million Christians went to their death during a 250-year period of history under ten Roman Emperors, rather than recant and deny Jesus’ resurrection had taken place.






The following is the English translation of the text from the image above:

“Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom. The next thing was to seek means of propitiating the gods, and recourse was had to the Sibylline books, by the direction of which prayers were offered to Vulcanus, Ceres, and Proserpina. Juno, too, was entreated by the matrons, first, in the Capitol, then on the nearest part of the coast, whence water was procured to sprinkle the fane and image of the goddess. And there were sacred banquets and nightly vigils celebrated by married women. But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man’s cruelty, that they were being destroyed.”

On another note. Can any atheist explain why anything exists? Why isn't there simply nothing? Why is there not just an empty void of nothing?

[Natsuu]

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On another note. Can any atheist explain why anything exists? Why isn't there simply nothing? Why is there not just an empty void of nothing?

I am no atheist but there is simple explanation to your question.

The void is the universe itself, and the void that you are saying is expanding infinitely.

The existence of anything is due to the rapid expansion of our universe, and the existence of the void (universe) is due to the big bang.

So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD?

[hornetsnest]

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On another note. Can any atheist explain why anything exists? Why isn't there simply nothing? Why is there not just an empty void of nothing?

I am no atheist but there is simple explanation to your question.

The void is the universe itself, and the void that you are saying is expanding infinitely.

The existence of anything is due to the rapid expansion of our universe, and the existence of the void (universe) is due to the big bang.

So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD?

So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD?

Yes science cannot explain the "big bang" anymore than they can explain how man was formed from dust. They present theories and misrepresent them as facts much like they are the original "conspiracy theorists". We could ask Darwin but he is dead as he is only just a mortal made from dust too and his soul awaits judgement like even emperors, kings and queens who lie in the dirt and who do not have infinite wisdom like God. He unfortunately is the hero of those other absolute atheists who propogate lies knowing full well there is a God but are so full of hatred towards him they are willing to preach a false gospel however Darwin,God have mercy upon his soul has an anger ignited by the death of his sister which is to a point understandable however in preaching survival of the fittest he certainly is not "fit" to even do so as he was married to his first cousin which in itself causes some issues with any progeny considering some of his offspring died through his transgressions.

Who created God you ask?  NOBODY created God. He is infinite,the ALPHA and the OMEGA. Scientists are but mortal corrupt men and women. How would you expect them to understand God? His ways are not their ways. Their concept of morality comes from the precepts of corrupted men and not the law of the Creator.

Why is there nothing and no God you say? There is NOT nothing. There is life amid the void as you can attest from the fact you live on a planet teeming with such life while light travels through the void and sound does not for VERY good reason. There IS a God and only a fool would deny it.

[Trading]

Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15).

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus!

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?

Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one).

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

[BADecker]

Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.

All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to.

[af_newbie]

Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.

All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to.

Cure stories indeed.

God created Adam then Eve, nobody else was there to witness it, yet someone wrote about it 'exactly' as it happened.
Conversations with the talking snake and all.

Another one, Jesus was resurrected, and someone wrote about it 60 years later.

How about Islam? Quran collection of poems was written 30 years after Muhammad died, by people who traveled around Saudi Arabia
and talked to people who knew some people who knew someone who saw Muhammad, and told them what he said.  Go figure.

How about Mormons?  Tablets were found by a convicted conman, who then lost them, but convinced people that they were there, pure gold and all.

It is all the same shit, different packaging.  All 'divinely' inspired. LOL.

Word of God my ass.

[BADecker]

Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.

All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to.

Cure stories indeed.

God created Adam then Eve, nobody else was there to witness it, yet someone wrote about it 'exactly' as it happened.
Conversations with the talking snake and all. - Witnesses: Father God, Son God, Holy Spirit God.

Another one, Jesus was resurrected, and someone wrote about it 60 years later. - His resurrection was prophesied hundreds of years before He was born... in the O.T.

How about Islam? Quran collection of poems was written 30 years after Muhammad died, by people who traveled around Saudi Arabia
and talked to people who knew some people who knew someone who saw Muhammad, and told them what he said.  Go figure. - The God of Islam is a different God than the God of the Bible. It's a false God. How do we know? It doesn't have Jesus as God.

How about Mormons?  Tablets were found by a convicted conman, who then lost them, but convinced people that they were there, pure gold and all. - As long as Mormons believe the Bible if there is a conflict between it and the Book of Mormon, great. Many science books are science fiction without God, to their destruction.

It is all the same shit, different packaging.  All 'divinely' inspired. LOL. - Actually, the God of the Bible is very real. But since you won't accept the evidence of creation, why should He waste any more time on you?

Word of God my ass.

Yep. His Word set your ass in place. But if you didn't have one, nobody would know. They'd think you were walking on your hands.




EDIT: I shouldn't have been so harsh with you. I know you are trying to make sense of this life. It can be difficult, but... turn back to God and the Bible, and God will clarify everything for you. Blessings on you.

[af_newbie]

Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.

The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.

Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?

People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter?
Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.

Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.

Followers: Where is Jesus?
Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him.
Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans.
Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.

Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.

All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to.

Cure stories indeed.

God created Adam then Eve, nobody else was there to witness it, yet someone wrote about it 'exactly' as it happened.
Conversations with the talking snake and all. - Witnesses: Father God, Son God, Holy Spirit God.

Another one, Jesus was resurrected, and someone wrote about it 60 years later. - His resurrection was prophesied hundreds of years before He was born... in the O.T.

How about Islam? Quran collection of poems was written 30 years after Muhammad died, by people who traveled around Saudi Arabia
and talked to people who knew some people who knew someone who saw Muhammad, and told them what he said.  Go figure. - The God of Islam is a different God than the God of the Bible. It's a false God. How do we know? It doesn't have Jesus as God.

How about Mormons?  Tablets were found by a convicted conman, who then lost them, but convinced people that they were there, pure gold and all. - As long as Mormons believe the Bible if there is a conflict between it and the Book of Mormon, great. Many science books are science fiction without God, to their destruction.

It is all the same shit, different packaging.  All 'divinely' inspired. LOL. - Actually, the God of the Bible is very real. But since you won't accept the evidence of creation, why should He waste any more time on you?

Word of God my ass.

Yep. His Word set your ass in place. But if you didn't have one, nobody would know. They'd think you were walking on your hands.




EDIT: I shouldn't have been so harsh with you. I know you are trying to make sense of this life. It can be difficult, but... turn back to God and the Bible, and God will clarify everything for you. Blessings on you.

You truly think I did not try.  I was an altar boy. I believed in every bit of the stories in the Bible.  Until I turned 12.  From that point on, the Bible made less and less sense.

Now, when I open the Bible, it is just to point out to guys like you, that these Bronze Age stories do not make one iota of sense.

It is impossible to read the Bible and not realize what it is.  You have to be completely ignorant of the scientific facts to accept any of the
stories as truths.  10,000 years old, flat Earth, talking snakes, making humans out of dirt, or human bones, making plants before the Sun, or bacteria.  Virgin pregnancies?  Hell or heaven concepts, resurrection, three Gods in one, etc.  Not to mention the moral code, slavery, prostituting your own daughters, misogyny, discrimination of women and gays, cannibalism, killing children, killing whole tribes, the list goes on...

The Bible is a vile book written by primitive psychopaths over the course of 2,500+ years.  It should be studied and ridiculed for what it is.