Why I'm an atheist

[BADecker]

Free people in this world does not exist. I'm an atheist and my mind is free from religious beliefs, but religion fit into our lives by signing a contract with the state. So free from religion in this society to be impossible.

Your atheism is your religion. Check out the definition of religion - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t - to see this.

It didn't say anything about atheism. Your link is about religion

Are you saying that you are not an atheist? Who cares? The fact that you have firmly embedded beliefs within yourself shows that you are religious, and have a personal religion going for yourself. It's in the definition of religion. Take a look. I even gave you the link... even though I wasn't responding to a post of yours. Or are you v1ryspro as well as Gimpeline?

I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.

What does that have to do with anything? Lots of people believe stuff that is not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be any accidents or plane crashes.

Don't believe the proof that God exists. Understand it, so that you pass from believing to knowing.

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[Gimpeline]

Free people in this world does not exist. I'm an atheist and my mind is free from religious beliefs, but religion fit into our lives by signing a contract with the state. So free from religion in this society to be impossible.

Your atheism is your religion. Check out the definition of religion - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t - to see this.

It didn't say anything about atheism. Your link is about religion

Are you saying that you are not an atheist? Who cares? The fact that you have firmly embedded beliefs within yourself shows that you are religious, and have a personal religion going for yourself. It's in the definition of religion. Take a look. I even gave you the link... even though I wasn't responding to a post of yours. Or are you v1ryspro as well as Gimpeline?

I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.

What does that have to do with anything? Lots of people believe stuff that is not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be any accidents or plane crashes.

Don't believe the proof that God exists. Understand it, so that you pass from believing to knowing.

There is no proof. I have asked you over and over again to show me the peer rewired paper and so far you have not delivered.

[BADecker]

Free people in this world does not exist. I'm an atheist and my mind is free from religious beliefs, but religion fit into our lives by signing a contract with the state. So free from religion in this society to be impossible.

Your atheism is your religion. Check out the definition of religion - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t - to see this.

It didn't say anything about atheism. Your link is about religion

Are you saying that you are not an atheist? Who cares? The fact that you have firmly embedded beliefs within yourself shows that you are religious, and have a personal religion going for yourself. It's in the definition of religion. Take a look. I even gave you the link... even though I wasn't responding to a post of yours. Or are you v1ryspro as well as Gimpeline?

I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.

What does that have to do with anything? Lots of people believe stuff that is not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be any accidents or plane crashes.

Don't believe the proof that God exists. Understand it, so that you pass from believing to knowing.

There is no proof. I have asked you over and over again to show me the peer rewired paper and so far you have not delivered.

I really don't think that you would understand the proof if you looked at it. But here it is again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Gimpeline]

I read it again. Want me to repeat the answers I gave in another thread?

[BADecker]

I read it again. Want me to repeat the answers I gave in another thread?

No. Don't repeat. We all understand that you don't understand much.

[Gimpeline]

Who is "we"?

[BADecker]

Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."   

[Gimpeline]

Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."   

I'm not English.
Who are we?

[BADecker]

Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."   

I'm not English.
Who are we?

Huh? You are coming to understand after all.   

[Gimpeline]

so can you reply to the question?

[BADecker]

so can you reply to the question?

We are children of God. Some of us are against Him. Some of us are in favor of Him.

[Gimpeline]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

[BADecker]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

[Gimpeline]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

No. None of us is the children of God. Some just believable it because their holly book says it.

[BADecker]

So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

No. None of us is the children of God. Some just believable it because their holly book says it.

No. There is more. Some of it is proof. But why go into that, since one has to first understand the proof that God exists. Then, after he knows that God exists, he can start to look at the proof that shows that the Bible was written at God's direction. Then he can find the proof in the Bible, and to some extent outside it, that shows that people are the children of God.

[qwik2learn]

I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.

How can you know the answer to the GoD question? Maybe there is some information that you missed. Only when you have seen the evidence of consciousness and what it indicates can you form an informed opinion.

Kurt Godel used logic to conclude these points:
There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.
The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.


Atheist dogma can only form invalid and circular replies to facts presented by consciousness researchers:
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-scientific-proof-of-existence-of-ghosts/answers/33828633/comment/30627732?__snid3__=764974911&__nsrc__=4

[Trading]

On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god.

The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people.

"8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance."

To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8.

This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP.

So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews.

The evolution is logic:

1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews.
2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh.
3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews.
4) There is no other god but Yahweh.

The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com

About Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

KJ21
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ASV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
AMP
“When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.
AMPC
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites.
BRG
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
CEB
When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
CJB
“When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population;
CEV
that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them,
DARBY
When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
DRA
When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ERV
God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.
ESV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
ESVUK
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
EXB
God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel].
GNV
When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel.
GW
When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel.
GNT
The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,

Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8

[BADecker]

On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god.

The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people.

"8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance."

To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8.

This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP.

So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews.

The evolution is logic:

1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews.
2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh.
3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews.
4) There is no other god but Yahweh.

The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com

About Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

KJ21
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ASV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
AMP
“When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.
AMPC
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites.
BRG
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
CEB
When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.
CJB
“When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population;
CEV
that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them,
DARBY
When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel.
DRA
When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel.
ERV
God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.
ESV
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
ESVUK
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
EXB
God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel].
GNV
When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel.
GW
When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel.
GNT
The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,

Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8

The reason why you are not an atheists is, in all these things, you haven't proven that God does not exist. You haven't really done anything outside of talk about some complaints that you have with God, whether or not the complaints are justified. So, you essentially are saying that He DOES exist.

My standard evidence and proofs for the existence of God stand. Since you can't seem to rebut them, perhaps you should find a scientist or a lawyer who is used to rebutting things. You might have a chance that way, of proving you are not trying to set yourself up as god above God.

[qwik2learn]

What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.

I believe your strawman argument goes like this: Given that the Bible seems to be subject to change and contradictory, and Yahweh seems to be like a human, I conclude that all gods are human ideas.

I think that you will now allow me to bring up a great point!

The existence of beings of a different and higher kind is actually a fact; it is an open secret that Earth has been visited countless times by extraterrestrials, so it would not be surprising if Yahweh WAS one such being.

Do Aliens Exist? Nithyananda Answers the Fermi Paradox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PStF--KBRCE

Only a rhetorical analysis of ALL inspired writings will allow you to conclude that ALL the beings in question are each a "human creation".

[Moloch]

The existence of beings of a different and higher kind is actually a fact; it is an open secret that Earth has been visited countless times by extraterrestrials...

For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts