Why I'm an atheist

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You can demonstrate the existence of an immaterial or discarnate being by using a rhetorical analysis of the source material, just like the exemplary analysis in the paper "The Problen of Seth's Origin", and the 60+ other parapsychological case studies already mentioned.

And how can you prove that something immaterial can affect the material. Especially to create something tangible. God is the fruit of a sick imagination. It has nothing to do with common sense.

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[qwik2learn]

You can demonstrate the existence of an immaterial or discarnate being by using a rhetorical analysis of the source material, just like the exemplary analysis in the paper "The Problen of Seth's Origin", and the 60+ other parapsychological case studies already mentioned.

And how can you prove that something immaterial can affect the material. Especially to create something tangible. God is the fruit of a sick imagination. It has nothing to do with common sense.

Just by reading the cases you can prove to yourself that something akin to survival of the personality is taking place, it is the only sensible explanation for the physical manifestations in these cases. How else to explain them?

[qwik2learn]

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

You assert about "reality", but what about these 40 cases which actually happened in reality?
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

What "reality-based" explanation do you provide? Oh, I see, you will dismiss these cases as "merely a PDF on some website".
Get a grip, af_newbie! Reality is staring you right in the face!

Why do atheists like to ignore those physical manifestations that suggest the survival of the personality? There are many intriguing examples.

[MattScott]

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

You assert about "reality", but what about these 40 cases which actually happened in reality?
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

What "reality-based" explanation do you provide? Oh, I see, you will dismiss these cases as "merely a PDF on some website".
Get a grip, af_newbie! Reality is staring you right in the face!

Why do atheists like to ignore those physical manifestations that suggest the survival of the personality? There are many intriguing examples.

What physical phenomenon? I don't know them. I only know that Jesus was a simple man who was killed by the Romans, but how can we prove his resurrection I don't understand. God is all a fairy tale with no evidence.

[Ronxawala]

You can demonstrate the existence of an immaterial or discarnate being by using a rhetorical analysis of the source material, just like the exemplary analysis in the paper "The Problen of Seth's Origin", and the 60+ other parapsychological case studies already mentioned.

As for me, if you believe at least bo something, it will be much easier. This psychological moment and just like that it does not explain, but I sometimes overcomes fear for sodeyanom in their lives. I believe, I did not do enough.

[BADecker]

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

You assert about "reality", but what about these 40 cases which actually happened in reality?
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

What "reality-based" explanation do you provide? Oh, I see, you will dismiss these cases as "merely a PDF on some website".
Get a grip, af_newbie! Reality is staring you right in the face!

Why do atheists like to ignore those physical manifestations that suggest the survival of the personality? There are many intriguing examples.

What physical phenomenon? I don't know them. I only know that Jesus was a simple man who was killed by the Romans, but how can we prove his resurrection I don't understand. God is all a fairy tale with no evidence.

That's the trick, isn't it. If you had proof, you wouldn't need faith. Why not? Because you would have knowledge.

But the whole idea of salvation is based on faith. So, you don't really want proof.

However, unlike atheism, we get to have some basic knowledge. We get the eye witness reports of many people who saw Jesus alive after His crucifixion. So, we are not working on blind faith like atheists in their atheism. We have enough evidence to have a basis for faith.

The whole problem of sin in the first place was that Adam and Eve did not believe God. They believed the serpent in the Garden. At least Eve did, and Adam was such a pussy to blindly let her listen to the devil in the serpent. This is part of the reason why we have to have faith in God now. They didn't have it in the Garden like they should have back then. So, we need to be different. We need to have faith in God, now. God requires it to balance out the lack of it in the Garden.

[qwik2learn]

Proof is not preferable to faith? That is magical thinking, of course proof is preferable to faith. When it comes to inspired writings, I think you should read it ALL and then make an informed opinion.

Read the gospel that was left out of the Bible:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j002/

[Moloch]

Proof is not preferable to faith? That is magical thinking, of course proof is preferable to faith. When it comes to inspired writings, I think you should read it ALL and then make an informed opinion.

Read the gospel that was left out of the Bible:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j002/

If you are going to read them "ALL", don't forget about the Koran, Bhagavad Gita, The Zohar, et al

P.S. Your "gospel that was left out of the bible" begins with this disclaimer:

COPYRIGHT POSITION STATEMENT AND DISCLAIMER

The Phoenix Journals are intended as a “real time” commentary on current events

i.e.  They made this shit up... it's not a book that was around 1700+ years ago... sorry, thanks for playing... care to try again?

[BADecker]

Proof is not preferable to faith? That is magical thinking, of course proof is preferable to faith. When it comes to inspired writings, I think you should read it ALL and then make an informed opinion.

Read the gospel that was left out of the Bible:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j002/

You are now beginning to touch on one of the most important aspects of our relationship with God.

Knowledge of the existence of God is important, because it forms a solid base for us.

Faith in God (in the things He says and does) is important, because God is infinitely greater than we are, and there is no other way to understand the things that He does.

Think about the island peoples of WW1 and WW2. These people had never heard of anything like technology. They lived their simple lives from day to day in ways that had not changed, possibly for centuries.

Then an airplane flew overhead. Then several airplanes flew overhead. The islanders were shocked regarding the magic. Finally, after the airplanes landed on the water, the islanders came to understand that people had made the airplanes, and that these people were as vulnerable to death as they were.

The point? We can't even put a tag on an electron to track it wherever it goes around the world. We can't even do this with a molecule of the wind. We can't even do it with a molecule of the ocean. We barely know how to keep people alive beyond what would be the normal time of death for them. We barely understand the cause and effect of anything.

We would like to say that we have great knowledge. We would like to think that we are so wise. But we don't really have a handle on anything. AND HERE IS THE GREATEST POINT >>> In all our knowledge and understanding, we are so far behind God that the GREAT things He does seem like magic to us. AND WHAT IS EVEN MORE PROFOUND IS >>> We don't even know for sure that the things that God does ARE NOT made up of magic.



John 20:30,31:

30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.

31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Ecclesiastes 12:12-14:

12 Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.

13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

In other words, the things that are written in the Bible are sufficient for salvation. Salvation is a miracle of God that nobody else can do, or, really, even come close to being able to start doing. Constantly adding books to the Bible detracts from salvation, the whole reason for which the Bible was written in the first place. And adding books just might cause other books to become "outdated" and taken away.

Revelation 22:18,19:

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

The Bible is complete. Add no more. Take none away.

[BADecker]

...mental fruitcase talking...

The Bible is complete. Add no more. Take none away.

If I were you I would take few things away:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0

No, you wouldn't. You might do it being who you are. But God absolutely wants you to be saved, and in Heaven with us.

[qwik2learn]

Proof is not preferable to faith? That is magical thinking, of course proof is preferable to faith. When it comes to inspired writings, I think you should read it ALL and then make an informed opinion.

Read the gospel that was left out of the Bible:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j002/

If you are going to read them "ALL", don't forget about the Koran, Bhagavad Gita, The Zohar, et al

P.S. Your "gospel that was left out of the bible" begins with this disclaimer:

COPYRIGHT POSITION STATEMENT AND DISCLAIMER

The Phoenix Journals are intended as a “real time” commentary on current events

i.e.  They made this shit up... it's not a book that was around 1700+ years ago... sorry, thanks for playing... care to try again?

Those are the 'false Gods' in his view.  He probably believes in the one on the icons in his church.  You know, the blond haired, blue eyed Jew from 2000 years ago.  

All these cooks believe in the Gods they were brought up with.

That is why it is critical to teach our children Math and Science so that they can differentiate what is real and what is not.

quick2learn is pretty close to being a mental case.  Now he is digging up some novels to support his fantasy.

I said read them all and that is what I did, I did not say any of these texts or gods are false. You act like you know how to speak for me; speak for yourself! I went through many phases of belief and disbelief, but you just want to believe that 60+ parapsychological cases that I mentioned did not happen in reality. You are living in a fantasy because the evidence of survival is being dismissed just because you hear it coming from me, so you say it is just a PDF or just a novel instead of realizing that it is evidence suggestive of survival.

As far as the gospels, this one was recorded in ancient times and discovered later; many gospels were left out of the bible, apparently for political reasons.

[Maximilian_333]

Don't understand how modern people can believe in fairy tales which written over a thousand years ago. Are you not touched on evolution? You have an education? How can this be? I'm an atheist and don't believe in all that nonsense which is written in the Bible.

[BADecker]

...mental fruitcase talking...

The Bible is complete. Add no more. Take none away.

If I were you I would take few things away:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0

No, you wouldn't. You might do it being who you are. But God absolutely wants you to be saved, and in Heaven with us.

So you agree with killing of gays because they are gay.  And stoning women who play around?

If you do, you are one fucked up dude.  You should join ISIS, maybe you'll go to heaven faster.  Good riddance.

Why do you bring this up? The point about it is who is killing the gays is, the gays are killing themselves by being gay. Having feelings or tendencies towards homosexuality is not what kills anyone. The exercising of those feelings and tendencies is what kills them.

I am of just the opposite mind towards gays. Stop them from dying. The only way to keep them from dying is to turn them from actually exercising their homosexuality.

The greatest form of death is the death in Hellfire for eternity. If an actively gay person believes in Jesus salvation, he will be saved. But his homosexuality is fighting against salvation faith, because God doesn't condone gay practices. Homosexuality will make his life miserable, because God is warning him by letting trouble come on him, so that he will not lose his salvation.

[BADecker]

Proof is not preferable to faith? That is magical thinking, of course proof is preferable to faith. When it comes to inspired writings, I think you should read it ALL and then make an informed opinion.

Read the gospel that was left out of the Bible:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j002/

If you are going to read them "ALL", don't forget about the Koran, Bhagavad Gita, The Zohar, et al

P.S. Your "gospel that was left out of the bible" begins with this disclaimer:

COPYRIGHT POSITION STATEMENT AND DISCLAIMER

The Phoenix Journals are intended as a “real time” commentary on current events

i.e.  They made this shit up... it's not a book that was around 1700+ years ago... sorry, thanks for playing... care to try again?

Those are the 'false Gods' in his view.  He probably believes in the one on the icons in his church.  You know, the blond haired, blue eyed Jew from 2000 years ago.  

All these cooks believe in the Gods they were brought up with.

That is why it is critical to teach our children Math and Science so that they can differentiate what is real and what is not.

quick2learn is pretty close to being a mental case.  Now he is digging up some novels to support his fantasy.

I said read them all and that is what I did, I did not say any of these texts or gods are false. You act like you know how to speak for me; speak for yourself! I went through many phases of belief and disbelief, but you just want to believe that 60+ parapsychological cases that I mentioned did not happen in reality. You are living in a fantasy because the evidence of survival is being dismissed just because you hear it coming from me, so you say it is just a PDF or just a novel instead of realizing that it is evidence suggestive of survival.

As far as the gospels, this one was recorded in ancient times and discovered later; many gospels were left out of the bible, apparently for political reasons.

You are delusional.  Up your medication.  You are not well.

Pull your head out of the sand before it is too late for you.

[SirPol85]

Proof is not preferable to faith? That is magical thinking, of course proof is preferable to faith. When it comes to inspired writings, I think you should read it ALL and then make an informed opinion.

Read the gospel that was left out of the Bible:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j002/

If you are going to read them "ALL", don't forget about the Koran, Bhagavad Gita, The Zohar, et al

P.S. Your "gospel that was left out of the bible" begins with this disclaimer:

COPYRIGHT POSITION STATEMENT AND DISCLAIMER

The Phoenix Journals are intended as a “real time” commentary on current events

i.e.  They made this shit up... it's not a book that was around 1700+ years ago... sorry, thanks for playing... care to try again?

Those are the 'false Gods' in his view.  He probably believes in the one on the icons in his church.  You know, the blond haired, blue eyed Jew from 2000 years ago.  

All these cooks believe in the Gods they were brought up with.

That is why it is critical to teach our children Math and Science so that they can differentiate what is real and what is not.

quick2learn is pretty close to being a mental case.  Now he is digging up some novels to support his fantasy.

I said read them all and that is what I did, I did not say any of these texts or gods are false. You act like you know how to speak for me; speak for yourself! I went through many phases of belief and disbelief, but you just want to believe that 60+ parapsychological cases that I mentioned did not happen in reality. You are living in a fantasy because the evidence of survival is being dismissed just because you hear it coming from me, so you say it is just a PDF or just a novel instead of realizing that it is evidence suggestive of survival.

As far as the gospels, this one was recorded in ancient times and discovered later; many gospels were left out of the bible, apparently for political reasons.

You are delusional.  Up your medication.  You are not well.

Pull your head out of the sand before it is too late for you.

Maybe this man is copying an ostrich? Only Muslims beat such bows. Although there is enough of such customs in Christianity.

[BADecker]

Proof is not preferable to faith? That is magical thinking, of course proof is preferable to faith. When it comes to inspired writings, I think you should read it ALL and then make an informed opinion.

Read the gospel that was left out of the Bible:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j002/

If you are going to read them "ALL", don't forget about the Koran, Bhagavad Gita, The Zohar, et al

P.S. Your "gospel that was left out of the bible" begins with this disclaimer:

COPYRIGHT POSITION STATEMENT AND DISCLAIMER

The Phoenix Journals are intended as a “real time” commentary on current events

i.e.  They made this shit up... it's not a book that was around 1700+ years ago... sorry, thanks for playing... care to try again?

Those are the 'false Gods' in his view.  He probably believes in the one on the icons in his church.  You know, the blond haired, blue eyed Jew from 2000 years ago.  

All these cooks believe in the Gods they were brought up with.

That is why it is critical to teach our children Math and Science so that they can differentiate what is real and what is not.

quick2learn is pretty close to being a mental case.  Now he is digging up some novels to support his fantasy.

I said read them all and that is what I did, I did not say any of these texts or gods are false. You act like you know how to speak for me; speak for yourself! I went through many phases of belief and disbelief, but you just want to believe that 60+ parapsychological cases that I mentioned did not happen in reality. You are living in a fantasy because the evidence of survival is being dismissed just because you hear it coming from me, so you say it is just a PDF or just a novel instead of realizing that it is evidence suggestive of survival.

As far as the gospels, this one was recorded in ancient times and discovered later; many gospels were left out of the bible, apparently for political reasons.

You are delusional.  Up your medication.  You are not well.

Pull your head out of the sand before it is too late for you.

Maybe this man is copying an ostrich? Only Muslims beat such bows. Although there is enough of such customs in Christianity.

Good point. Gotta be that he is copying an ostrich.   

[gabmen]

Don't understand how modern people can believe in fairy tales which written over a thousand years ago. Are you not touched on evolution? You have an education? How can this be? I'm an atheist and don't believe in all that nonsense which is written in the Bible.

Well if you think about it, how the world and pretty much how everything works in unison to make things the way they are, i think its logical to believe that there is an architect that did all this. Well i agree if you base your belief strictly in the bible, which i think has been tampered already over time by different people, then this may be hard to swallow. Im not an atheist but i respect how you guys prefer to look at things, basing on logic and science.

[Lancusters]

Don't understand how modern people can believe in fairy tales which written over a thousand years ago. Are you not touched on evolution? You have an education? How can this be? I'm an atheist and don't believe in all that nonsense which is written in the Bible.

Well if you think about it, how the world and pretty much how everything works in unison to make things the way they are, i think its logical to believe that there is an architect that did all this. Well i agree if you base your belief strictly in the bible, which i think has been tampered already over time by different people, then this may be hard to swallow. Im not an atheist but i respect how you guys prefer to look at things, basing on logic and science.

If you rely on logic and science, that religion is a fraud. I find it funny to see how religious denominations Borja among themselves for the number of duped their people.

[Trading]

Since the "soul" has to interact with the body to control it, the "soul" couldn't be a pure metaphysical “substance”, it should be physical, composed of particles/energy (which is the same, as Einstein said) or it couldn’t “command the body”.

The so-called dualism, arguing for a main difference of nature between mind (or soul) and body, imply a direct violation of the Second law of thermodynamics [see, for instance,
Harold Morowitz, The Mind Body Problem and The Second Law of Thermodynamics (http://newdualism.org/papers/H.Morowitz/Morowitz-BandP-1987.pdf)].

Thus, as a system of physical particles, the soul would be subject necessarily to an increase of entropy and therefore to decay and dissolute on smaller particles: on other words, to death.

Moreover, at least until now, the CERN's Large Hadron Collider didn’t find any particle compatible with any "soul".

Some even say that if this particle wasn’t already found, it won’t ever be because, taking in account the levels of energy at which the body works, it had to showed up by now (http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/771662/Brian-Cox-Neil-deGrasse-Tyson-GHOST-LHC).

I have to add this argument against the "soul" to the Op in due time.

Of course, the same reasoning applies to god. In order to be able to create the Universe, he had to have physical nature. An ethereal substance couldn’t create physical particles or changed them in order to cause the Big Bang. The same must said about his ability to make “miracles”.

But I guess that with god everything is fair game, including claim that he can change him self from a “perfect substance” into a physical nature and back again. God is the supreme chameleon.

[BADecker]

Don't understand how modern people can believe in fairy tales which written over a thousand years ago. Are you not touched on evolution? You have an education? How can this be? I'm an atheist and don't believe in all that nonsense which is written in the Bible.

Well if you think about it, how the world and pretty much how everything works in unison to make things the way they are, i think its logical to believe that there is an architect that did all this. Well i agree if you base your belief strictly in the bible, which i think has been tampered already over time by different people, then this may be hard to swallow. Im not an atheist but i respect how you guys prefer to look at things, basing on logic and science.

If you rely on logic and science, that religion is a fraud. I find it funny to see how religious denominations Borja among themselves for the number of duped their people.

If you rely on logic and science, then logic and science is your religion. Refer to the definition of religion, especially #6 - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t.