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February 01, 2017, 08:52:53 AM
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Just because I say that cause and effect is a scientific law, doesn't mean that it is. Yet, my words are proof in the sense that you can use my words as prompting to go and find out that cause and effect are scientific law... from the people who have proven that cause and effect are scientific law... like Newton, in his 3rd law. So, my words ARE proof in the sense that they are backed up by the proof of the scientific laws that others - multitudes of others - have confirmed.

While cause and effect alone does not prove that God exists, it almost does. How? By setting the stage through elimination of any sort of random. A person needs to consider what random really is. And I talk about it in my posts that I list.

There isn't any such thing as random. There is only our lack of observation of cause and effect. We can't see the countless operations of cause and effect - such as all the cause and effect actions by which all the individual electrons move as they do - so we use an artificial random to guess how things work. It is not true random. It is artificial, like when you toss a coin into the air, or roll dice. You use the term random to guess the results of your actions. Yet, there is no random, because it is all the forces of your toss or roll that cause the the results to happen the way that they do.

Why is the fact that there is no random important? It means that all operations of the universe, including life, never happened by accident. They were all caused. That is why EVOLUTION is simply change. It is never any spontaneous form of random effect. There is no form of pure random that has ever been seen or found by anyone. If you think there is some pure random somwhere, show the proof of it that can be confirmed, and has been confirmed by others.

Once you start to understand this, you have set the groundwork for the next two parts... entropy and complexity. Entropy and complexity take you the rest of the way to God.

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Oh chuckles..... you make me laugh.

Your entire argument is based on assumptions. You say that cause and effect do not prove there is a god.... but it almost does. You have taken a leap of faith and assumed it to be correct.

You are a passionate little soul and I congratulate you on that. But quoting your own words is delusional.


Don't feel too badly. It takes training to be able to think logically. Keep working at it, and you just might get there sometime. I just hope that it happens soon enough for you to receive some of the revelations God offers, rather than only the simple understanding of His existence. Simple understanding of His existence isn't enough for salvation.

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Chuckles.... another joke?

You are a funny little fellow.

When you are able to think logically you will have gained a new skill, until then my friend you will continue to speak in an indoctrinated manner.

So, you understand the all pervading activity of cause and effect, then.

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Once again.... you are using cause and effect and jumping to a conclusion.

Your argument is based on the assumptions which you believe.

TooQik has given a perfectly good example of cause and effect and you sidestepped. Why? Was the example too much for you to comprehend?
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February 01, 2017, 03:24:59 PM
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Just because I say that cause and effect is a scientific law, doesn't mean that it is. Yet, my words are proof in the sense that you can use my words as prompting to go and find out that cause and effect are scientific law... from the people who have proven that cause and effect are scientific law... like Newton, in his 3rd law. So, my words ARE proof in the sense that they are backed up by the proof of the scientific laws that others - multitudes of others - have confirmed.

While cause and effect alone does not prove that God exists, it almost does. How? By setting the stage through elimination of any sort of random. A person needs to consider what random really is. And I talk about it in my posts that I list.

There isn't any such thing as random. There is only our lack of observation of cause and effect. We can't see the countless operations of cause and effect - such as all the cause and effect actions by which all the individual electrons move as they do - so we use an artificial random to guess how things work. It is not true random. It is artificial, like when you toss a coin into the air, or roll dice. You use the term random to guess the results of your actions. Yet, there is no random, because it is all the forces of your toss or roll that cause the the results to happen the way that they do.

Why is the fact that there is no random important? It means that all operations of the universe, including life, never happened by accident. They were all caused. That is why EVOLUTION is simply change. It is never any spontaneous form of random effect. There is no form of pure random that has ever been seen or found by anyone. If you think there is some pure random somwhere, show the proof of it that can be confirmed, and has been confirmed by others.

Once you start to understand this, you have set the groundwork for the next two parts... entropy and complexity. Entropy and complexity take you the rest of the way to God.

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Oh chuckles..... you make me laugh.

Your entire argument is based on assumptions. You say that cause and effect do not prove there is a god.... but it almost does. You have taken a leap of faith and assumed it to be correct.

You are a passionate little soul and I congratulate you on that. But quoting your own words is delusional.


Don't feel too badly. It takes training to be able to think logically. Keep working at it, and you just might get there sometime. I just hope that it happens soon enough for you to receive some of the revelations God offers, rather than only the simple understanding of His existence. Simple understanding of His existence isn't enough for salvation.

Cool

Chuckles.... another joke?

You are a funny little fellow.

When you are able to think logically you will have gained a new skill, until then my friend you will continue to speak in an indoctrinated manner.

So, you understand the all pervading activity of cause and effect, then.

Cool

Once again.... you are using cause and effect and jumping to a conclusion.

Your argument is based on the assumptions which you believe.

TooQik has given a perfectly good example of cause and effect and you sidestepped. Why? Was the example too much for you to comprehend?

There you go again. Talk, talk, talk. Just like a politician. But you still haven't rebutted the proof for the existence of God. Until you at least show some rebuttal, your talk isn't really worth anything.

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February 01, 2017, 03:28:40 PM
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So there is nothing to refute. There is no evidence for the existence of God. Isn't that proof that there is no God and the Bible is lying then that person is not made of clay or you don't know what is in man?
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February 01, 2017, 04:03:19 PM
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So there is nothing to refute. There is no evidence for the existence of God. Isn't that proof that there is no God and the Bible is lying then that person is not made of clay or you don't know what is in man?

As I said in another post, forget about the bible and religion for a moment. consider science that proves God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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February 02, 2017, 01:16:28 AM
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So there is nothing to refute. There is no evidence for the existence of God. Isn't that proof that there is no God and the Bible is lying then that person is not made of clay or you don't know what is in man?

As I said in another post, forget about the bible and religion for a moment. consider pseudo-science that proves God exists nothing:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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You had few typos in your post. I fixed them for you.

I just wanted to thank you again for supporting the proof that God exists. Since you are unable or unwilling to refute or rebut the scientific laws that show that God exists, yet talk against them without rebuttal, you are helping to prove that God exists. And I want to thank you for this. Makes my job much easier.

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February 02, 2017, 01:40:10 AM
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So there is nothing to refute. There is no evidence for the existence of God. Isn't that proof that there is no God and the Bible is lying then that person is not made of clay or you don't know what is in man?

As I said in another post, forget about the bible and religion for a moment. consider pseudo-science that proves God exists nothing:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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You had few typos in your post. I fixed them for you.

I just wanted to thank you again for supporting the proof that God exists. Since you are unable or unwilling to refute or rebut the scientific laws that show that God exists, yet talk against them without rebuttal, you are helping to prove that God exists. And I want to thank you for this. Makes my job much easier.

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Sure thing. Whatever makes you happy.  Just stay calm, nice people in white uniforms will come and take you for a walk....

Did you notice that you still haven't rebutted the proof that God exists? Thanks for another post that supports the existence of God.

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February 02, 2017, 03:34:32 AM
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So there is nothing to refute. There is no evidence for the existence of God. Isn't that proof that there is no God and the Bible is lying then that person is not made of clay or you don't know what is in man?

As I said in another post, forget about the bible and religion for a moment. consider pseudo-science that proves God exists nothing:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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You had few typos in your post. I fixed them for you.

I just wanted to thank you again for supporting the proof that God exists. Since you are unable or unwilling to refute or rebut the scientific laws that show that God exists, yet talk against them without rebuttal, you are helping to prove that God exists. And I want to thank you for this. Makes my job much easier.

Cool

Sure thing. Whatever makes you happy.  Just stay calm, nice people in white uniforms will come and take you for a walk....

Did you notice that you still haven't rebutted the proof that God exists? Thanks for another post that supports the existence of God.

Cool

I did.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566146.msg17697392#msg17697392

Thermodynamics 2nd law applies to an isolated system.
Earth is not an isolated system. - The universe is an isolated system.
Entropy is not the same as complexity. - Entropy and complexity are in opposite categories.
If you use cause and effect argument, you need to provide a cause for God.  God needs a cause or your argument is invalidated. - God, being outside of the universe, is not controlled by the laws of the universe, except if His laws state such. God does not necessarily need to have a cause.

You've got anything else? - same stuff, that you continue to talk around rather than rebutting:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.


Your God is really the 'unknown'.  It is definitely not a blond haired, blue-eyed, English-speaking Jew. - Obviously God is unknown to or by you. However, as I have often posted, the scientific proof for God does not explain much about Him in detail. So, yes. He is mostly unknown by the proof for His existence. BTW, thanks for starting to admit that He exists.

You would not have to 'believe' in something if there was a proof.


I acknowledge God, in part because of the proofs that I have shown... He exists.

I believe in God, in part, because I believe the things that He has said in the Bible, His Word. Believing in God is like trusting in Him. You can't believe or trust in something that you won't acknowledge the existence of.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify and strengthen the knowledge that God exists, again, by your not being able to rebut it.

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February 02, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
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Why do you think that life originated on earth? Maybe it originated somewhere outside the solar system. What does God do? Maybe God is the meteorite which brought the living cells on earth.
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February 02, 2017, 11:28:12 AM
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I like the part where OP says that he not against any sincere believer. Surprisingly, it seems that he knows the bible more than us believer know it. I have not read the whole OP but from the first few paragraphs, I come to a conclusion that this is a justification of what was revealed in the Bible; that during the end times, people will renounce the name of God and instead worship other gods (idols).  I can not blame OP for coming up with such a write-up but I blame his parents for not bringing him up in an upright manner. I would suggest that he reads the entire book of John and the other gospels to know the truth about God and his chosen son-Jesus. Later on, read the book of Revelations to find out why his post is a manifestation of the prophecies and what impact it has on his won life.
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I like the part where OP says that he not against any sincere believer. Surprisingly, it seems that he knows the bible more than us believer know it. I have not read the whole OP but from the first few paragraphs, I come to a conclusion that this is a justification of what was revealed in the Bible; that during the end times, people will renounce the name of God and instead worship other gods (idols).  I can not blame OP for coming up with such a write-up but I blame his parents for not bringing him up in an upright manner. I would suggest that he reads the entire book of John and the other gospels to know the truth about God and his chosen son-Jesus. Later on, read the book of Revelations to find out why his post is a manifestation of the prophecies and what impact it has on his won life.
For me, the Bible is a philosophical treatise which is written in the language of the tale in order to explain how the ancient not educated people are the foundations of the universe and construction of the state.
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February 02, 2017, 12:03:36 PM
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Why do you think that life originated on earth? Maybe it originated somewhere outside the solar system. What does God do? Maybe God is the meteorite which brought the living cells on earth.

I don't know.  That is why I said it might have.

It is quite possible that life originated somewhere else in the universe and was planted here by a meteorite.

We don't know it, yet.
The most interesting is that this hypothesis does not deny anybody. Can believers really need to pray not to God but to the meteorite? The idea for the new sect. Why not? In General, I'm an atheist.
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February 03, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
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Why do you think that life originated on earth? Maybe it originated somewhere outside the solar system. What does God do? Maybe God is the meteorite which brought the living cells on earth.


To fit the definition of "God," God must have been something much greater than a meteorite.

In the simple science of the proof for the existence of God, we don't know where life originated.

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February 03, 2017, 03:16:04 PM
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So there is nothing to refute. There is no evidence for the existence of God. Isn't that proof that there is no God and the Bible is lying then that person is not made of clay or you don't know what is in man?

As I said in another post, forget about the bible and religion for a moment. consider pseudo-science that proves God exists nothing:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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You had few typos in your post. I fixed them for you.

I just wanted to thank you again for supporting the proof that God exists. Since you are unable or unwilling to refute or rebut the scientific laws that show that God exists, yet talk against them without rebuttal, you are helping to prove that God exists. And I want to thank you for this. Makes my job much easier.

Cool

Sure thing. Whatever makes you happy.  Just stay calm, nice people in white uniforms will come and take you for a walk....

Did you notice that you still haven't rebutted the proof that God exists? Thanks for another post that supports the existence of God.

Cool

I did.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566146.msg17697392#msg17697392

Thermodynamics 2nd law applies to an isolated system.
Earth is not an isolated system. - The universe is an isolated system.
Entropy is not the same as complexity. - Entropy and complexity are in opposite categories.
If you use cause and effect argument, you need to provide a cause for God.  God needs a cause or your argument is invalidated. - God, being outside of the universe, is not controlled by the laws of the universe, except if His laws state such. God does not necessarily need to have a cause.

You've got anything else? - same stuff, that you continue to talk around rather than rebutting:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.


Your God is really the 'unknown'.  It is definitely not a blond haired, blue-eyed, English-speaking Jew. - Obviously God is unknown to or by you. However, as I have often posted, the scientific proof for God does not explain much about Him in detail. So, yes. He is mostly unknown by the proof for His existence. BTW, thanks for starting to admit that He exists.

You would not have to 'believe' in something if there was a proof.


I acknowledge God, in part because of the proofs that I have shown... He exists.

I believe in God, in part, because I believe the things that He has said in the Bible, His Word. Believing in God is like trusting in Him. You can't believe or trust in something that you won't acknowledge the existence of.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify and strengthen the knowledge that God exists, again, by your not being able to rebut it.

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Your entropy argument was that we are devolving and everything around us.  I have shown you that Earth with everything on it is not an isolated system.   That is why you see complex life formed from a simpler chemistry.  Actually that might be a reason why the life started here on Earth.  That is why ancient Egyptians called Sun a God.  You are using the same argument for the universe.  For the same reason: ignorance.

Just because entropy of the universe is increasing is not a proof of God, it is just stating a fact about entropy.  You could just as well say that a giant squid created the universe.


Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

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February 03, 2017, 03:28:57 PM
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Why do you think that life originated on earth? Maybe it originated somewhere outside the solar system. What does God do? Maybe God is the meteorite which brought the living cells on earth.


To fit the definition of "God," God must have been something much greater than a meteorite.

In the simple science of the proof for the existence of God, we don't know where life originated.

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We really don't know how life arose, but I am sure that it is not exactly appeared out of the clay. And eve was made from Adam's rib. That's for sure! I'm an atheist and don't believe those fairy tales which are written in the Bible
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Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

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Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.

The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.

Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.

It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


Religious people never talk about specific things. You will never hear from them that God is..... They do not know what God is. Until people do not know the answer to a question nibd they call it God. As soon as otvct they think that God is another.
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Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

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Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.
There haven't been any mutations that caused an advancement in nature and life. None of the mutations were evolutionary. They were all devolutionary.



The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.
If the world lasts for 100 more years in basically the same condition and state it is in now, science will have securely found that big bang is impossible.



Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.
Wrong. Why are you wrong? Because nature was all around us then as it is now. Machines have makers. The Maker of the nature machine was God.



It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


God is present everywhere.

God exists outside of the universe as well as within it.

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Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

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Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.
There haven't been any mutations that caused an advancement in nature and life. None of the mutations were evolutionary. They were all devolutionary.



The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.
If the world lasts for 100 more years in basically the same condition and state it is in now, science will have securely found that big bang is impossible.



Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.
Wrong. Why are you wrong? Because nature was all around us then as it is now. Machines have makers. The Maker of the nature machine was God.



It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


God is present everywhere.

God exists outside of the universe as well as within it.

Cool

The entropy was not known 600 years ago.  Science defined it.  Science discovered that the universe is expanding, science discovered that Earth is not flat etc.
Science corrected the Bible mistakes. 

Bible did not talk about entropy or 2nd law of thermodynamics.  Science did.  So use Bible to proof God, leave science out of it.  You don't understand it anyway.
Did new science stop being discovered? Have we found everything out? Do we know all the scientific answers right now? Same thing the Bible. New things will be found in the future.

Bible people had fire thousands of years ago = science. They had the wheel thousands of years ago = science. Read the Bible, and you will find that they had mathematics thousands of years ago = science. If you leave the Bible out of it, you have to leave science out of it. Why? Because science doesn't have anything to do with finding it out. Science exists whether or not we find it out.

However, there you go again, blabbing about the Bible rather than the existence of God. I can understand why you do this. You simply don't have anything that can refute the existence of God. So, you want to take the focus off the fact that your atheism is a lie.



Evolutionary gene mutations:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-22/these-superhumans-are-real-and-their-dna-could-be-worth-billions

Call these guys and talk to them.  Devolutionary my ass.
No. Devolution your head. Cause and effect has not been removed from any of it. This means that it is all pre-programmed. Since entropy is in all of it, this means that all the mutations are devolution rather than evolution. Simple science and logic. Back to the science that proves God exists.



600 years ago you'd be talking how wonderful our flat Earth is, how God placed it in the center of the world in his great wisdom etc.


Six hundred years ago?! Go to the Off-topic section in this forum, and you can find people talking about flat earth right now. You don't make any sense. Why talk about flat earth here? Don't get those jokers all excited about dumping their flat earth garbage all over the forum.

The point? We have only scratched the scientific knowledge that exists. And digging it out is so difficult that many scientists are trying to push it farther than they have a real right to do, by talking like science theory is fact, when they don't know it. At the same time, they ignore the simple science that shouts the existence of God. And you have been brainwashed by them.

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February 04, 2017, 01:35:00 AM
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Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

Cool

Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.

The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.

Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.

It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


Something causes mutations, morphological changes..HOT and COLD elements =morphological changes=biological morphological changes.

A biomolecule or biological molecule is molecule that is present in living organisms, including large macromolecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, and nucleic acids, as well as small molecules such as primary metabolites, secondary metabolites, and natural products
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Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

Cool

Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.

The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.

Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.

It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


Something causes mutations, morphological changes..HOT and COLD elements =morphological changes=biological morphological changes.

A biomolecule or biological molecule is molecule that is present in living organisms, including large macromolecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, and nucleic acids, as well as small molecules such as primary metabolites, secondary metabolites, and natural products

The important point is, we haven't found any mutations that are beneficial more than they are detrimental in some other ways.

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Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

Cool

Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.

The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.

Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.

It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


Something causes mutations, morphological changes..HOT and COLD elements =morphological changes=biological morphological changes.

A biomolecule or biological molecule is molecule that is present in living organisms, including large macromolecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, and nucleic acids, as well as small molecules such as primary metabolites, secondary metabolites, and natural products

The important point is, we haven't found any mutations that are beneficial more than they are detrimental in some other ways.

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Here you go:
http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/evolution-is-still-happening-beneficial-mutations-in-humans


Evolution is happening. Why? Because evolution means change.... at least the way it is applied today. All this does is to show that cause and effect are still working.

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Masks are stupid. Watch the first 5 minutes >>> https://www.bitchute.com/video/rlWESmrijl8Q/.
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