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On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god. The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people. "8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods. 9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance." To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8. This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP. So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews. The evolution is logic: 1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews. 2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh. 3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews. 4) There is no other god but Yahweh. The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19 See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrewhttp://www.thedivinecouncil.comAbout Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdfWhat this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.KJ21 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. ASV When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. AMP “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. AMPC When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites. BRG When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. CEB When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.CJB “When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population; CEV that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them, DARBY When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. DRA When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel. ERV God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.ESV When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.ESVUK When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.EXB God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel]. GNV When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel. GW When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel. GNT The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8The reason why you are not an atheists is, in all these things, you haven't proven that God does not exist. You haven't really done anything outside of talk about some complaints that you have with God, whether or not the complaints are justified. So, you essentially are saying that He DOES exist. My standard evidence and proofs for the existence of God stand. Since you can't seem to rebut them, perhaps you should find a scientist or a lawyer who is used to rebutting things. You might have a chance that way, of proving you are not trying to set yourself up as god above God. To basically rebut your stances of a God like presence is simple...... If your God was the creator of all things, then who created God? The answer to that is simple.... Man! Man created God for power over fellow people.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Atheism cannot be a religion. By definition religion is belief in someone else. Atheists deny the existence of God just because there is no evidence that it is. Agnosticism is a lack of opinions. I think it's awful. Such people always become traitors.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Atheism cannot be a religion. By definition religion is belief in someone else. Atheists deny the existence of God just because there is no evidence that it is. Agnosticism is a lack of opinions. I think it's awful. Such people always become traitors. The evidence that God exists is this world and universe. Nothing that we or scientists can imagine could create the world and universe as they exist. Such things as big bang theory are extremely incomplete. Long ago, science proved that God exists. Many of them didn't like the idea, so they ignored it and attempted to find ways to prove that God doesn't exist. The proof for the existence of God is found in the following links. It is science law and fact that shows that God exists. The links explain how the science works. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380
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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts
Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been disproven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Atheism cannot be a religion. By definition religion is belief in someone else. Atheists deny the existence of God just because there is no evidence that it is. Agnosticism is a lack of opinions. I think it's awful. Such people always become traitors. The evidence that God exists is this world and universe. Nothing that we or scientists can imagine could create the world and univrse as they exist. Long ago, science proved that God exists. Many of them didn't like the idea, so they ignored it and attempted to find ways to prove that God doesn't exist. The proof for the existence of God is found in the following links. It is science law and fact that shows that God exists. The links explain how the science works. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380Sure. Take your meds buddy. Hey, thanks for acknowledging that God exists, in part by not being able to step by step disprove the machine nature of the universe, and in part by not being able to show that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity are not facts of the universe.
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On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god. The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people. "8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods. 9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance." To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8. This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP. So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews. The evolution is logic: 1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews. 2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh. 3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews. 4) There is no other god but Yahweh. The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19 See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrewhttp://www.thedivinecouncil.comAbout Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf What this confirms is that the gods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas.KJ21 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. ASV When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. AMP “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. AMPC When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites. BRG When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. CEB When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.CJB “When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population; CEV that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them, DARBY When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. DRA When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel. ERV God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.ESV When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.ESVUK When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.EXB God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel]. GNV When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel. GW When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel. GNT The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8You are really gone, aren't you? Wow, I'm surprised you can type. I wonder if you realized that my post is an atheist one with some sarcasm about the "good book".
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On Deuteronomy 32:8–9, the good book says that Yahweh (your god) isn't the only god. The more controversial (but it seems the obvious one) translation/interpretation mentions a father of Yahweh (probably Elyon/El) and his brothers to whom he gives their inheritance, to each god a people. "8: When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods. 9: For Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob the share of his inheritance." To be fair I post below several different translations of the controversial 8. This have to be interpreted taking in consideration that the Israelite people, initially, had the same gods of the other Canaanites peoples, including the Phoenicians, who worshiped Elyon/El. Yahweh was just the son of El, as I wrote in the OP. So, Yahweh (the god of the Jews, the Christians and Muslims) was one of the sons of the supreme god El (god most high) and became, by decision of his father, the god of the Jews. The evolution is logic: 1) There are other gods, but Yahweh is the god of the Jews. 2) The Jews should worship only Yahweh. 3) Yahweh is the only god for the Jews. 4) There is no other god but Yahweh. The existence of more gods and of an assembly of the gods presided by El is acknowledged in other parts of the good book: Psalm 82:1 and 6; 1 Kings 22:19 See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrewhttp://www.thedivinecouncil.comAbout Deuteronomy 32:8–9: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdfWhat this confirms is that the goods are a human creation, subject to changes and evolution, like all our ideas. KJ21 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. ASV When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. AMP “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. AMPC When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites. BRG When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. CEB When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods.CJB “When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population; CEV that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them, DARBY When the Most High assigned to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. DRA When the Most High divided the nations: when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the bounds of people according to the number of the children of Israel. ERV God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels.ESV When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.ESVUK When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.EXB God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel]. GNV When the most high God divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he appointed the borders of the people, according to the number of the children of Israel. GW When the Most High gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel. GNT The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being,Even more translations at https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy%2032%3A8You are really gone, aren't you? Wow, I'm surprised you can type. I wonder if you realized that my post is an atheist one with some sarcasm about the "good book". Oh, that's just the way af_newbie congratulates people on a job well done.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Sure, for intellectual honesty one should say he/she's "agnostic" rather than "atheist", since he/she cannot prove the non existence of a god. In the same way, I cannot disprove the existence of Santa Klaus, therefore, I can't say he doesn't exist, I could only say that I am Santa Klaus "agnostic". Anyway, being not able to disprove any of the two (god-Santa Klaus), doesn't make them any real.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Sure, for intellectual honesty one should say he/she's "agnostic" rather than "atheist", since he/she cannot prove the non existence of a god. In the same way, I cannot disprove the existence of Santa Klaus, therefore, I can't say he doesn't exist, I could only say that I am Santa Klaus "agnostic". Anyway, being not able to disprove any of the two (god-Santa Klaus), doesn't make them any real. The difference being, of course, that the existence of God has been proven here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Sure, for intellectual honesty one should say he/she's "agnostic" rather than "atheist", since he/she cannot prove the non existence of a god. In the same way, I cannot disprove the existence of Santa Klaus, therefore, I can't say he doesn't exist, I could only say that I am Santa Klaus "agnostic". Anyway, being not able to disprove any of the two (god-Santa Klaus), doesn't make them any real. The difference being, of course, that the existence of God has been proven here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. There is no proof. Your 'cause and effect' babbling is just that, babbling. Your imaginary God concept does not have a 'cause'. The "stuff" you call my babbling has a scientific process to it. Refute the process. Otherwise, all you have is babbling.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Sure, for intellectual honesty one should say he/she's "agnostic" rather than "atheist", since he/she cannot prove the non existence of a god. In the same way, I cannot disprove the existence of Santa Klaus, therefore, I can't say he doesn't exist, I could only say that I am Santa Klaus "agnostic". Anyway, being not able to disprove any of the two (god-Santa Klaus), doesn't make them any real. The difference being, of course, that the existence of God has been proven here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. There is no proof. Your 'cause and effect' babbling is just that, babbling. Your imaginary God concept does not have a 'cause'. The "stuff" you call my babbling has a scientific process to it. Refute the process. Otherwise, all you have is babbling. You're still posting your own posts as a scientific proof? Cmon dude, we've been over this. Until you provide an actual link to the scientific proofs of gods existence, this is just useless...
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Sure, for intellectual honesty one should say he/she's "agnostic" rather than "atheist", since he/she cannot prove the non existence of a god. In the same way, I cannot disprove the existence of Santa Klaus, therefore, I can't say he doesn't exist, I could only say that I am Santa Klaus "agnostic". Anyway, being not able to disprove any of the two (god-Santa Klaus), doesn't make them any real. The difference being, of course, that the existence of God has been proven here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. There is no proof. Your 'cause and effect' babbling is just that, babbling. Your imaginary God concept does not have a 'cause'. The "stuff" you call my babbling has a scientific process to it. Refute the process. Otherwise, all you have is babbling. You're still posting your own posts as a scientific proof? Cmon dude, we've been over this. Until you provide an actual link to the scientific proofs of gods existence, this is just useless... Are you trying to suggest that cause and effect, entropy, and complex universe are scientific unknowns? If you are, you are as far from science as you can get. The books are filled with talk about these facts. The Internet shows it. All you need to do is search.
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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.
Sure, for intellectual honesty one should say he/she's "agnostic" rather than "atheist", since he/she cannot prove the non existence of a god. In the same way, I cannot disprove the existence of Santa Klaus, therefore, I can't say he doesn't exist, I could only say that I am Santa Klaus "agnostic". Anyway, being not able to disprove any of the two (god-Santa Klaus), doesn't make them any real. The difference being, of course, that the existence of God has been proven here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. There is no proof. Your 'cause and effect' babbling is just that, babbling. Your imaginary God concept does not have a 'cause'. The "stuff" you call my babbling has a scientific process to it. Refute the process. Otherwise, all you have is babbling. You're still posting your own posts as a scientific proof? Cmon dude, we've been over this. Until you provide an actual link to the scientific proofs of gods existence, this is just useless... Are you trying to suggest that cause and effect, entropy, and complex universe are scientific unknowns? If you are, you are as far from science as you can get. The books are filled with talk about these facts. The Internet shows it. All you need to do is search. Your posts have been discussed and rebutted. You need real proof not words of your own.
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March 03, 2017, 08:19:52 PM |
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My posts and proofs were not refuted.
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March 03, 2017, 11:23:09 PM |
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My posts and proofs were not refuted.
They are simply upset with me because they WANT their freedom from the rules that God lays down, but they can't refute the way I explain them. So they will try to make an example of me. Then, when they fail, I rub their noses in it, and it upsets them. You, however, bring up so many proofs and evidences, that they don't even want to get into it with you. Rather, they would hide the fact that you have shown proof for God same as me. Two guys agreeing with un-rebuttable proofs are multiple times stronger than one guy proving it alone. Chase them around in several threads. Give them explanation of one proof at a time. They'll start coming after you, as well. After all, they can't have any doubts among their believers. They'll lose their status, their freedom, and maybe even some money.
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March 04, 2017, 03:34:05 AM |
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My posts and proofs were not refuted.
They are simply upset with me because they WANT their freedom from the rules that God lays down, but they can't refute the way I explain them. So they will try to make an example of me. Then, when they fail, I rub their noses in it, and it upsets them. You, however, bring up so many proofs and evidences, that they don't even want to get into it with you. Rather, they would hide the fact that you have shown proof for God same as me. Two guys agreeing with un-rebuttable proofs are multiple times stronger than one guy proving it alone. Chase them around in several threads. Give them explanation of one proof at a time. They'll start coming after you, as well. After all, they can't have any doubts among their believers. They'll lose their status, their freedom, and maybe even some money. So you're not going to do it? See this is the same as when someone is called to do the lie detector test and he declines, that means he's probably hiding something, you in this case is like when you as ka kid something and then he replies "I know the answer but I don't want to tell you"... so yeah... you're not doing anything good here...
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March 04, 2017, 04:07:23 AM |
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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts
Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been dis-proven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact. How can atheists say that they have the answer to the god-question? They do not even have an answer to the evidence suggestive of reincarnation! 52 percent of adult Americans believe that encounters with the dead are possible. Atheists should carefully evaluate the evidence, here are 20 cases that I have not already mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Published_resultsand about 40 more that I keep mentioning: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtmlAnother famous case: The account of James Chaffin's will is a case that truly seems suggestive of survival of the human personality after death. Why does the OP say that awareness is an oasis between two deserts of nothingness? It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.
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March 04, 2017, 02:50:37 PM |
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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts
Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been dis-proven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact. How can atheists say that they have the answer to the god-question? They do not even have an answer to the evidence suggestive of reincarnation! 52 percent of adult Americans believe that encounters with the dead are possible. Atheists should carefully evaluate the evidence, here are 20 cases that I have not already mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Published_resultsand about 40 more that I keep mentioning: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtmlAnother famous case: The account of James Chaffin's will is a case that truly seems suggestive of survival of the human personality after death. Why does the OP say that awareness is an oasis between two deserts of nothingness? It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness. If you are called to the scene of a house break-in, there is nothing stolen, there is no sign of struggle, no blood, no empty cases, and NO BODY, it would only be logical to conclude that there was no murder committed. Th same goes for your God, there is no physical evidence to conclude otherwise. What you think is evidence is a product of your imagination. Not a real physical evidence. This is the deception of religion. They inspire people that God is a material being and has an impact on all life on earth, but as soon as it comes to evidence they say that God is immaterial and therefore to prove his existence impossible.
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March 04, 2017, 03:09:29 PM |
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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts
Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been dis-proven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact. How can atheists say that they have the answer to the god-question? They do not even have an answer to the evidence suggestive of reincarnation! 52 percent of adult Americans believe that encounters with the dead are possible. Atheists should carefully evaluate the evidence, here are 20 cases that I have not already mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Published_resultsand about 40 more that I keep mentioning: http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtmlAnother famous case: The account of James Chaffin's will is a case that truly seems suggestive of survival of the human personality after death. Why does the OP say that awareness is an oasis between two deserts of nothingness? It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness. If you are called to the scene of a house break-in, there is nothing stolen, there is no sign of struggle, no blood, no empty cases, and NO BODY, it would only be logical to conclude that there was no murder committed. Th same goes for your God, there is no physical evidence to conclude otherwise. What you think is evidence is a product of your imagination. Not a real physical evidence. This is the deception of religion. They inspire people that God is a material being and has an impact on all life on earth, but as soon as it comes to evidence they say that God is immaterial and therefore to prove his existence impossible. Atheist means believing no religion but I am an atheist and I only believe God. Wherever you turn your eyes it points to a beautiful creation which cannot have been created randomly. This must have been created by a greater being , unnatural being.
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