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October 02, 2021, 11:34:41 PM Last edit: October 03, 2021, 12:02:56 AM by hornetsnest |
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Christians claim that Jesus raised from the dead after 3 days.
3 days? What a coincidence. How many messiahs and religious figures raised from the dead after 3 days?
This myth was invented because of the Sun.
The Sun stays stationary between 21th and 24th December (for 3 days, the Winter Solstice) and then on 25th December “raises from the dead” and days start to increase in length again. It's because of this that it's a holiday for many pagans.
And it is also the reason why was picked by the church as the Jesus's "birthday".
They claim the resurrection has to be true, because the apostles wouldn’t risk their life for a lie.
Yet, there is no clear support for any organized and hard prosecution. Christians don’t claim that the Roman authorities killed anyone after the death of Jesus. The bible says that only Jesus was arrested.
Romans couldn’t care less for the Christians. No apostle claimed to be the king of the Jews. According to Acts 18:12-17, the Roman proconsul Gallop dismissed a case against Paul.
Even if we believe the New Testament, there are just a few references to mild/mob prosecution and to the killing of Stephen.
And the apostles had good reasons to lie about the resurrection of Jesus (No way I’m going back to be a fisher again). They already had many followers or the Jewish religious authorities wouldn’t see them as a threat.
There were no more killings until more than 30 years later, under Nero. It’s when Paul and Peter are executed (about 64/68 CE) (he didn’t see that coming: damn, I should have kept being a fisher).
This persecution didn’t last long. There were more than a century of toleration until Marcus Aurelius (161–180).
Christians were much more diligent prosecuting others later, for centuries. "Nobody was expecting the Spanish Inquisition", but...
The Jesus from Nazareth born to the virgin Mary (immaculate conception) who was crucified for your sins and is the one who stands between you and the just hand of the Living God will even offer you mercy on the day you ask for it and that day will come no matter if you believe it or not. There were no more killings until more than 30 years later, under Nero. It’s when Paul and Peter are executed (about 64/68 CE) (he didn’t see that coming: damn, I should have kept being a fisher). He did see it coming. Peter was persuaded by the Christian community in Rome to flee the savage persecution unleashed by the mad Emperor, Nero. ‘It would not be good if our leaders were captured,’ they argued. On the road to Naples and the South, the famous Via Appia (same route where the followers of spartacus lined the road hung on crosses), a few miles south of the city Peter met a man. ‘Quo vadis?’ he asked him. ‘I am going to Rome to be crucified,’ was the reply. Peter knew it was the Lord and turned on his heel and walked back to the city to share the fate of his brothers and sisters. They threw his body on the dump and on this dump today stands his church and hell will not prevail against it. VERY soon they will think it is destroyed but they are in for a surprise once their hour is over. While it is possible that a person could die for a lie, in the case of Christianity, those who believed Jesus had risen from the dead, had credible evidence to support their fervent belief. Christians of that time had something in their possession that others who died for their beliefs did not have; a written record from eyewitnesses who stated they had seen Jesus crucified and then alive three days later. This record also contained the testimony of the most astute Pharisee in Israel, Saul of Tarsus, who stated in 14 letters that He had seen the resurrected Jesus with his own eyes: “Am I not as free as anyone else? Am I not an apostle? Haven’t I seen Jesus our Lord with my own eyes?” ~1 Corinthians 9:1. The Christians of that time knew well that Saul had persecuted Christians and sought their death. Immediately after Saul saw Jesus on the road to Damascus, he became a completely different man. Now known as Paul, he became the chief architect of the true facts of Jesus’ resurrection and the certain truth that He is the true Messiah. It was these written records that caused the early believers in Jesus to not deny His resurrection and make them willing to die with confidence that Jesus had risen from the dead. We see evidence of these facts in that when the Romans gave Christians the opportunity to deny Jesus, and worship their Roman gods, they refused. Christians were so certain that Jesus had risen, they were willing to die because they believe He would also raise them. It is certain that Roman leaders did not believe in the resurrection, but they certainly accepted that Christians believed that Jesus had risen from the dead. It is this record that remains in the Roman Senate today that is compelling evidence of Jesus’ resurrection. These facts were established by the writings of Roman Historians, Tacitus and Suetonius, as they described the resurrection as a terrible superstition that would endanger the Roman Empire. It was for this reason that we have an incredible record that Jesus had risen from the dead because history records that over five million Christians went to their death during a 250-year period of history under ten Roman Emperors, rather than recant and deny Jesus’ resurrection had taken place.  The following is the English translation of the text from the image above: “Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom. The next thing was to seek means of propitiating the gods, and recourse was had to the Sibylline books, by the direction of which prayers were offered to Vulcanus, Ceres, and Proserpina. Juno, too, was entreated by the matrons, first, in the Capitol, then on the nearest part of the coast, whence water was procured to sprinkle the fane and image of the goddess. And there were sacred banquets and nightly vigils celebrated by married women. But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man’s cruelty, that they were being destroyed.” On another note. Can any atheist explain why anything exists? Why isn't there simply nothing? Why is there not just an empty void of nothing?
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On another note. Can any atheist explain why anything exists? Why isn't there simply nothing? Why is there not just an empty void of nothing?
I am no atheist but there is simple explanation to your question. The void is the universe itself, and the void that you are saying is expanding infinitely. The existence of anything is due to the rapid expansion of our universe, and the existence of the void (universe) is due to the big bang. So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD?
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October 03, 2021, 12:55:37 PM Last edit: October 03, 2021, 10:58:52 PM by hornetsnest |
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On another note. Can any atheist explain why anything exists? Why isn't there simply nothing? Why is there not just an empty void of nothing?
I am no atheist but there is simple explanation to your question. The void is the universe itself, and the void that you are saying is expanding infinitely. The existence of anything is due to the rapid expansion of our universe, and the existence of the void (universe) is due to the big bang. So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD? So let me guess the next question, why is there a big bang in the first place, the answer is no one knows and same goes to who created GOD? why is there just nothing and no GOD?
Yes science cannot explain the "big bang" anymore than they can explain how man was formed from dust. They present theories and misrepresent them as facts much like they are the original "conspiracy theorists". We could ask Darwin but he is dead as he is only just a mortal made from dust too and his soul awaits judgement like even emperors, kings and queens who lie in the dirt and who do not have infinite wisdom like God. He unfortunately is the hero of those other absolute atheists who propogate lies knowing full well there is a God but are so full of hatred towards him they are willing to preach a false gospel however Darwin,God have mercy upon his soul has an anger ignited by the death of his sister which is to a point understandable however in preaching survival of the fittest he certainly is not "fit" to even do so as he was married to his first cousin which in itself causes some issues with any progeny considering some of his offspring died through his transgressions. Who created God you ask? NOBODY created God. He is infinite,the ALPHA and the OMEGA. Scientists are but mortal corrupt men and women. How would you expect them to understand God? His ways are not their ways. Their concept of morality comes from the precepts of corrupted men and not the law of the Creator. Why is there nothing and no God you say? There is NOT nothing. There is life amid the void as you can attest from the fact you live on a planet teeming with such life while light travels through the void and sound does not for VERY good reason. There IS a God and only a fool would deny it.
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October 24, 2021, 08:50:34 PM Last edit: October 24, 2021, 09:10:55 PM by Trading |
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Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds.
The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15).
Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus!
People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged?
Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter? Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money.
Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one).
Followers: Where is Jesus? Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him. Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans. Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.
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Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.
The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.
Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?
People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged? Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter? Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.
Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.
Followers: Where is Jesus? Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him. Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans. Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.
Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.
All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to.
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October 25, 2021, 07:16:34 PM Last edit: October 26, 2021, 07:22:06 PM by BADecker |
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Even the Bible supports the view that Jesus's disciples stole his body, found someone similar and faked his wounds. - Here is where you are wrong. Nobody becomes a believer by reading and understanding the words of the Bible alone. Rather, the Holy Spirit uses the words of the Bible to work faith in the hearts of those who are too spiritually weak to resist Him. You and yours who have stronger spiritual strength, simply resist the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't force anybody, but rather, gives everybody freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17). So, faith is God's doing, but unbelief is the doing of the unbelievers.
The Bible mentions that many people didn't recognize Jesus after his "resurrection" (Luke 24:13-35 or John 21). Even Mary Magdalena first didn’t recognize Jesus or his voice (John 20:15). - Mary had tears in her eyes, and her own crying in here ears. | The Luke section shows that recognition was hidden at first, but then it was given. | John 21 shows hat they recognized Jesus. How far away does anybody have to be before you can't tell who it is? They didn't have binoculars in those days.
Which is another way to admit that many shouted out: I knew Jesus. This man isn’t Jesus! <<< Which is a way to see that you are lying... or do you have that reference?
People who knew Jesus didn’t recognize him? Do you want better evidence that the resurrection was forged? Peter: Couldn’t you find me a better imposter? Marcus: The other said that he did not want to end up nailed on a cross like the real Jesus. When I told him that you had the keys to heaven and could grant him access, he just started laughing on my face and asked for more money. <<< Which is another way to see that you are lying... or do you have those references? They aren't in the Bible.
Then, they got rid of the fake Jesus (Being number 2 was bad enough with Jesus. No way I’m going to allow this with a sham one). - Cute story there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your story.
Followers: Where is Jesus? Peter: He raised in body to the skies into heaven. We saw him. Followers: Why didn’t Jesus raise in front of all? That would confirm his divinity, also to the Romans. Peter: Shout up, Jesus left me this keys of heaven’s door! Where are your offers to me? Ahh, I mean, to Jesus.
Cute stories there. Billion and a half Christians around the world don't believe your stories.
All it is, is you and yours who have the spiritual strength to resist the gentle pleadings of the Holy Spirit, and are doing so. Change while you have the chance, or you will miss out on eternal life by your own wanting to. Cure stories indeed. God created Adam then Eve, nobody else was there to witness it, yet someone wrote about it 'exactly' as it happened. Conversations with the talking snake and all. - Witnesses: Father God, Son God, Holy Spirit God.Another one, Jesus was resurrected, and someone wrote about it 60 years later. - His resurrection was prophesied hundreds of years before He was born... in the O.T.How about Islam? Quran collection of poems was written 30 years after Muhammad died, by people who traveled around Saudi Arabia and talked to people who knew some people who knew someone who saw Muhammad, and told them what he said. Go figure. - The God of Islam is a different God than the God of the Bible. It's a false God. How do we know? It doesn't have Jesus as God.How about Mormons? Tablets were found by a convicted conman, who then lost them, but convinced people that they were there, pure gold and all. - As long as Mormons believe the Bible if there is a conflict between it and the Book of Mormon, great. Many science books are science fiction without God, to their destruction.It is all the same shit, different packaging. All 'divinely' inspired. LOL. - Actually, the God of the Bible is very real. But since you won't accept the evidence of creation, why should He waste any more time on you?Word of God my ass. Yep. His Word set your ass in place. But if you didn't have one, nobody would know. They'd think you were walking on your hands. EDIT: I shouldn't have been so harsh with you. I know you are trying to make sense of this life. It can be difficult, but... turn back to God and the Bible, and God will clarify everything for you. Blessings on you.
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You truly think I did not try. I was an altar boy. I believed in every bit of the stories in the Bible. Until I turned 12. From that point on, the Bible made less and less sense.
Now, when I open the Bible, it is just to point out to guys like you, that these Bronze Age stories do not make one iota of sense.
It is impossible to read the Bible and not realize what it is. You have to be completely ignorant of the scientific facts to accept any of the stories as truths. 10,000 years old, flat Earth, talking snakes, making humans out of dirt, or human bones, making plants before the Sun, or bacteria. Virgin pregnancies? Hell or heaven concepts, resurrection, three Gods in one, etc. Not to mention the moral code, slavery, prostituting your own daughters, misogyny, discrimination of women and gays, cannibalism, killing children, killing whole tribes, the list goes on...
The Bible is a vile book written by primitive psychopaths over the course of 2,500+ years. It should be studied and ridiculed for what it is.
You have told us your personal church history in the past. You switched your religions - Roman Catholic to man-made science - because you wanted to, not because Bible truths don't make sense. The Bible is a wonderful book. It shows the love of God for you, in the fact of the life, suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus, God's Son, for you. God is trying to give you eternal life, through His Son Jesus. And it pains Him that all that you seem to want to do is throw your life away. You are on the verge of making a new start. The Catholic Church is not the right place. Nor is man-made science. Your better bets are Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, or one of the many non-denominational curches. 
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You truly think I did not try. I was an altar boy. I believed in every bit of the stories in the Bible. Until I turned 12. From that point on, the Bible made less and less sense.
Now, when I open the Bible, it is just to point out to guys like you, that these Bronze Age stories do not make one iota of sense.
It is impossible to read the Bible and not realize what it is. You have to be completely ignorant of the scientific facts to accept any of the stories as truths. 10,000 years old, flat Earth, talking snakes, making humans out of dirt, or human bones, making plants before the Sun, or bacteria. Virgin pregnancies? Hell or heaven concepts, resurrection, three Gods in one, etc. Not to mention the moral code, slavery, prostituting your own daughters, misogyny, discrimination of women and gays, cannibalism, killing children, killing whole tribes, the list goes on...
The Bible is a vile book written by primitive psychopaths over the course of 2,500+ years. It should be studied and ridiculed for what it is.
You have told us your personal church history in the past. You switched your religions - Roman Catholic to man-made science - because you wanted to, not because Bible truths don't make sense. The Bible is a wonderful book. It shows the love of God for you, in the fact of the life, suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus, God's Son, for you. God is trying to give you eternal life, through His Son Jesus. And it pains Him that all that you seem to want to do is throw your life away. You are on the verge of making a new start. The Catholic Church is not the right place. Nor is man-made science. Your better bets are Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, or one of the many non-denominational curches.  You still do not understand. I do not need religion to feel content with my life, or have a purpose in life. I find these religious cults repugnant, insincere, and childish. Maybe because I know for sure that there is no life after death. Life and death are mutually exclusive. The chemical elements and the energy stored in the chemical bonds in your body are just recycled. That is it. You are wasting your time. When you look at the powerful, ancient civilizations, you will find remnants of thousands of gods and religions. Many of them had the same religion you do, a religion of attempting to not have religion. People don't know the future. They don't know if their car is going to get into an accident today, with them being killed. They don't know if their plane is going to crash. They don't know if Covid is going to get them. Some seek out the religions of gods and churches. Others seek out the religion of science and engineering. Others, "Whatever will happen, will happen. No use crying about it." Still others try to bury their minds in the religion of self-embraced ignorance. But all have religion, because they are religious beings, because nobody knows the future, and life is too scary to live without the security of something... a thing we call religion, which tells them that things will work out, so they don't go off the deep end. Recognize this truth. Just because you had trouble with one religion, doesn't mean you stopped being human when you switched to the religion you have now... a religion of attempting to have no religion. 
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When you look at the powerful, ancient civilizations, you will find remnants of thousands of gods and religions. Many of them had the same religion you do, a religion of attempting to not have religion. People don't know the future. They don't know if their car is going to get into an accident today, with them being killed. They don't know if their plane is going to crash. They don't know if Covid is going to get them. Some seek out the religions of gods and churches. Others seek out the religion of science and engineering. Others, "Whatever will happen, will happen. No use crying about it." Still others try to bury their minds in the religion of self-embraced ignorance. But all have religion, because they are religious beings, because nobody knows the future, and life is too scary to live without the security of something... a thing we call religion, which tells them that things will work out, so they don't go off the deep end. Recognize this truth. Just because you had trouble with one religion, doesn't mean you stopped being human when you switched to the religion you have now... a religion of attempting to have no religion.  If you want a psychological crutch, pick something that is based on reason and logic. If you want the truth, pick on something that is based on God. Reason and logic don't cut it. You can tell by all the reason and logic from the past that has had to have been redone, because it wasn't right. 
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When you look at the powerful, ancient civilizations, you will find remnants of thousands of gods and religions. Many of them had the same religion you do, a religion of attempting to not have religion. People don't know the future. They don't know if their car is going to get into an accident today, with them being killed. They don't know if their plane is going to crash. They don't know if Covid is going to get them. Some seek out the religions of gods and churches. Others seek out the religion of science and engineering. Others, "Whatever will happen, will happen. No use crying about it." Still others try to bury their minds in the religion of self-embraced ignorance. But all have religion, because they are religious beings, because nobody knows the future, and life is too scary to live without the security of something... a thing we call religion, which tells them that things will work out, so they don't go off the deep end. Recognize this truth. Just because you had trouble with one religion, doesn't mean you stopped being human when you switched to the religion you have now... a religion of attempting to have no religion.  If you want a psychological crutch, pick something that is based on reason and logic. If you want the truth, pick on something that is based on God. Reason and logic don't cut it. You can tell by all the reason and logic from the past that has had to have been redone, because it wasn't right.  I cannot because the concept of God is not based on logic and reason. So you think logic and reason can solve it all? No atheism there. Just a logic/reason false god. 
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So you think logic and reason can solve it all? No atheism there. Just a logic/reason false god.  What is the alternative? A made-up solution to all unknowns? At least with logic and reason, it guarantees us that whatever we discover will be either factual or pretty close to it. Science is a constant work in progress. There will always be something we don't know, something that can be discovered. With God and religious dogmas, you don't need to investigate anything, you already have the answers to all your questions: "God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways." Some people suggest that there are some 3,000 gods out there. You made up a new one - logic and reason. So, take your pick, or make up another new one. Guess what 3,000-gods shows us. People are religious beings. It's in their nature. So, look at all the logic and reason that has changed over the centuries. Doesn't sound very god-like to me. Especially since we still use some of Aristotle's and others' logic and reason. Of course science is a work in progress. Consider all the astronomy that is guesswork, because we haven't gone to the ends of the universe to see if it's really true or not. Science, a really weak god, except sometimes when we use it to handle things right around us. Why not accept the Bible records for what they are... eye witness reports. You are wrong about religious dogmas. They are built on direct understandings from some religious ideals. A microbe doesn't understand us we are so much greater than it is. God is far greater than we are. He has revealed Himself and the universe to us in the Bible. But... Read Jesus's Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5 to 7, and realize that it is parables. Why is it parables? Because Jesus, Himself, said in other places that He only used parables when He spoke to the people, but He explained everything to His disciples, plainly. So, go to all those parables, and figure out the non-parable explanation for each. If you do that one thing, you will have a tiny explanation of what God is telling you. If you don't do this, it's easy to sit around and say, '"God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways."'. No atheism. Simply frustrated people like you, because they won't believe the revelation the whole Bible shows us. 
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If there is one thing I've come to understand is that, religion is about a way of life of a people or person and as such, its got everything you do with believes. People would always have these believes which is entirely there's. So, if you ain't on the same frequency of reasoning with them, there is no telling as to whom is right or not. That's even if there is a right or wrong relation about it.
Constantly dragging the fact that, there is a or another supernatural being whom is presumed to have created all that is in the world is not going to end or cause any major changes. So, let's just let people be with there believes and hope it does the world a great good.
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BADecker
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November 02, 2021, 01:59:51 AM |
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So you think logic and reason can solve it all? No atheism there. Just a logic/reason false god.  What is the alternative? A made-up solution to all unknowns? At least with logic and reason, it guarantees us that whatever we discover will be either factual or pretty close to it. Science is a constant work in progress. There will always be something we don't know, something that can be discovered. With God and religious dogmas, you don't need to investigate anything, you already have the answers to all your questions: "God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways." Some people suggest that there are some 3,000 gods out there. You made up a new one - logic and reason. So, take your pick, or make up another new one. Guess what 3,000-gods shows us. People are religious beings. It's in their nature. So, look at all the logic and reason that has changed over the centuries. Doesn't sound very god-like to me. Especially since we still use some of Aristotle's and others' logic and reason. Of course science is a work in progress. Consider all the astronomy that is guesswork, because we haven't gone to the ends of the universe to see if it's really true or not. Science, a really weak god, except sometimes when we use it to handle things right around us. Why not accept the Bible records for what they are... eye witness reports. You are wrong about religious dogmas. They are built on direct understandings from some religious ideals. A microbe doesn't understand us we are so much greater than it is. God is far greater than we are. He has revealed Himself and the universe to us in the Bible. But... Read Jesus's Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5 to 7, and realize that it is parables. Why is it parables? Because Jesus, Himself, said in other places that He only used parables when He spoke to the people, but He explained everything to His disciples, plainly. So, go to all those parables, and figure out the non-parable explanation for each. If you do that one thing, you will have a tiny explanation of what God is telling you. If you don't do this, it's easy to sit around and say, '"God did it." or "God works in mysterious ways."'. No atheism. Simply frustrated people like you, because they won't believe the revelation the whole Bible shows us.  Can snakes speak? Why do you ask that? Everybody knows that snakes have a hissing speech. We are so dumb. WE are devolving. Adam and Eve could understand the speech of snakes. We can't. 
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November 03, 2021, 01:09:06 AM |
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Why do you ask that? Everybody knows that snakes have a hissing speech. We are so dumb. WE are devolving. Adam and Eve could understand the speech of snakes. We can't.  "Hissing speech", what the fuck is that? - Comne on! Dogs talk by barking. Some animals talk by growling. Some snakes talk by hissing. Adam and Eve were linguistic herpetologists and used specially constructed amplifiers? - Back in the beginning, 7,500 years ago, everything was a lot healthier... different. The Bible record says Adam lived 930 years. His hearing abilities were much better than ours. So was his understanding for understanding the languages of the animals. And what Eve didn't have naturally, Adam taught her.Do you know the size of the snake's brain? Do you know that snakes can only hear in the 100-200 Hz range? - But we don't know what things were like that could make a person live to 930 years. So we don't know how much more glorious snakes were back then. After all, they even had legs back then.Human consonants are in the 2000-5000 Hz range, while vowels are in the 500-2000 Hz. How the heck did that snake hear and understand what Eve was saying to him? Was she hissing to him in low frequency? - Answered that already. Seventy-five hundred years ago, things were a lot healthier. And we can't begin to guess what it was like, because it was before sin had entered the world.BTW, the Bible says the snake spoke to her, not hissed to her. LOL. Genesis 3:4 So take this up with your God. That is what he said. Snake talked to Eve. LOL. You just can't understand that when you talk by hissing, that's the way you talk. Some people might understand your hissing noises - your hissing speech - others might not.
Wake up a little. All you are doing is talking yourself out of your atheism religion.
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November 03, 2021, 06:35:39 AM |
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Maybe because I know for sure that there is no life after death. Life and death are mutually exclusive.
You are correct about no life after death, only that there is judgement after death according to what the bible says in the book of Hebrews 9:27. I know you do not believe the bible or read it any more but am only stating that part in case you missed it. It means that once someone dies they do not have another opportunity to adjust their way and attitude until the day of judgement.
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November 03, 2021, 08:40:53 AM |
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You been an atheist its your choice and it's best for you. Anybody can can choose a way to follow or believe. Your reasons to be an atheist is your best choice, follow up on what you feel like to do.
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BADecker
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November 03, 2021, 10:27:34 PM |
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Maybe because I know for sure that there is no life after death. Life and death are mutually exclusive.
You are correct about no life after death, only that there is judgement after death according to what the bible says in the book of Hebrews 9:27. I know you do not believe the bible or read it any more but am only stating that part in case you missed it. It means that once someone dies they do not have another opportunity to adjust their way and attitude until the day of judgement. I don't care what supernatural stories some Bronze Age psychopaths conjured up. BTW, the Bible also says animals can talk, Earth is flat and 6000 years old. It supports slavery, discrimination of women, killing of gays, killing of children, cannibalism. Why would any decent human being care what the Bible says is beyond me? It is a nasty, vile book that everyone should actually read. Your book does not scare me. When death is here, I am not. When I am, death is not. The Bible says stuff about earth. Lots of books do. People go to movies to watch things way more vile than what the Bible talks about. The Bible also says that some people reject what the Bible says, to their own damnation. Such a vile book, because it is trying to bring jokers like you to eternal life in heavenly joy with God and the rest of the saints. Actually, at the judgment, when you see the righteousness of God giving you what you asked for... Hell... won't make it any less painful there... except for the tiny bit of satisfaction in knowing that God is good enough to unbelievers that He gives even them what they asked for. 
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November 05, 2021, 05:19:11 PM |
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The Bible says stuff about earth. Lots of books do. People go to movies to watch things way more vile than what the Bible talks about. The Bible also says that some people reject what the Bible says, to their own damnation. Such a vile book, because it is trying to bring jokers like you to eternal life in heavenly joy with God and the rest of the saints. Actually, at the judgment, when you see the righteousness of God giving you what you asked for... Hell... won't make it any less painful there... except for the tiny bit of satisfaction in knowing that God is good enough to unbelievers that He gives even them what they asked for.  And back to physical threats, when everything else fails. You cannot hurt someone who is dead already. Just like you cannot anger a rock. Imagine that you didn't pay your property tax. Normally government doesn't, out of the blue, come and take your property and throw you out of your house onto the street. Normally they give you fair warning first, in the form of letters and a court trial. God's government has given you fair warning. After all, you don't know what goes on with your life after you die. You might say "Nothing goes on with life after death. You're dead." But consider. If you live to be 80-y-o, haven't you pooped out your body several times over, replacing the dead cells with new ones, built from what you ate and breathed in? The last time your life is simply stripped of all the physical stuff, and is held in darkness (for people like you) but in a temporary body, in paradise (an intermediate place for believers until the final end of all things in the judgment). But there are a few scientists in this realm that are recognizing that life here isn't the end, and that God does exist. Google "nassim gaia" ( https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=nassim+gaia&ia=web) to find out that the things you call logic and science are way too inadequate to see the life beyond death, and that you have a stupid religion going for yourself in believing atheism. Realize that it is you harming yourself, and that what I and the Bible say are simply fair warning. 
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November 06, 2021, 05:22:37 PM |
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Imagine that you didn't pay your property tax. Normally government doesn't, out of the blue, come and take your property and throw you out of your house onto the street. Normally they give you fair warning first, in the form of letters and a court trial. God's government has given you fair warning. After all, you don't know what goes on with your life after you die. You might say "Nothing goes on with life after death. You're dead." But consider. If you live to be 80-y-o, haven't you pooped out your body several times over, replacing the dead cells with new ones, built from what you ate and breathed in? The last time your life is simply stripped of all the physical stuff, and is held in darkness (for people like you) but in a temporary body, in paradise (an intermediate place for believers until the final end of all things in the judgment). But there are a few scientists in this realm that are recognizing that life here isn't the end, and that God does exist. Google "nassim gaia" ( https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=nassim+gaia&ia=web) to find out that the things you call logic and science are way too inadequate to see the life beyond death, and that you have a stupid religion going for yourself in believing atheism. Realize that it is you harming yourself, and that what I and the Bible say are simply fair warning.  Nassim Haramein is not a physicist. His wild conjectures have been debunked ad nauseam. He is a salesman, peddling his ideas to unsuspected, scientifically ignorant minds. Many scientists accept parallel universe theory. All that Nassim Haramein is really doing is taking parallel universe theory and extending it way beyond its limited scope. There are loads of scientists who debunk each other all the time. You simply fall into the camp that is against parallel universe ideas. Now let me show you what atheism is. An atheist, or an atheism group, is simply a person/group who feels good about a few things of science he/they have uncovered. He/they feel so good that they become prideful, and set themselves up as god, and suggest that there is no other God. And they do this without checking anywhere in the universe (except under their beds, maybe) to see for a fact that there isn't any God somewhere else. They are so weak that they CAN'T check anywhere else among all the stars. These atheist jokers haven't scientifically checked out the Bible to see that God is right there with them, and has been all along. God will deal with them according to their wishes, in the resurrection. No more God in the resurrection, because God isn't going into Hell to be with them like He is here. Hopefully they will come to this realization in the weakness of their old age, turn to God, and be saved. Nassim Haramein is way closer to finding the truth than they are. 
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Imagine that you didn't pay your property tax. Normally government doesn't, out of the blue, come and take your property and throw you out of your house onto the street. Normally they give you fair warning first, in the form of letters and a court trial. God's government has given you fair warning. After all, you don't know what goes on with your life after you die. You might say "Nothing goes on with life after death. You're dead." But consider. If you live to be 80-y-o, haven't you pooped out your body several times over, replacing the dead cells with new ones, built from what you ate and breathed in? The last time your life is simply stripped of all the physical stuff, and is held in darkness (for people like you) but in a temporary body, in paradise (an intermediate place for believers until the final end of all things in the judgment). But there are a few scientists in this realm that are recognizing that life here isn't the end, and that God does exist. Google "nassim gaia" ( https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=nassim+gaia&ia=web) to find out that the things you call logic and science are way too inadequate to see the life beyond death, and that you have a stupid religion going for yourself in believing atheism. Realize that it is you harming yourself, and that what I and the Bible say are simply fair warning.  Nassim Haramein is not a physicist. His wild conjectures have been debunked ad nauseam. He is a salesman, peddling his ideas to unsuspected, scientifically ignorant minds. Many scientists accept parallel universe theory. All that Nassim Haramein is really doing is taking parallel universe theory and extending it way beyond its limited scope. There are loads of scientists who debunk each other all the time. You simply fall into the camp that is against parallel universe ideas. Now let me show you what atheism is. An atheist, or an atheism group, is simply a person/group who feels good about a few things of science he/they have uncovered. He/they feel so good that they become prideful, and set themselves up as god, and suggest that there is no other God. And they do this without checking anywhere in the universe (except under their beds, maybe) to see for a fact that there isn't any God somewhere else. They are so weak that they CAN'T check anywhere else among all the stars. These atheist jokers haven't scientifically checked out the Bible to see that God is right there with them, and has been all along. God will deal with them according to their wishes, in the resurrection. No more God in the resurrection, because God isn't going into Hell to be with them like He is here. Hopefully they will come to this realization in the weakness of their old age, turn to God, and be saved. Nassim Haramein is way closer to finding the truth than they are.  What would be the point of torturing people for eternity? Very vengeful and needy God. Your God possesses very 'human' qualities, LOL. We have talked about this already. It's still the same point as before. God gave his Son, Jesus-God, to take the punishment for you in His own destruction. He died for you. He ain't gonna do it again. In fact, His death was so powerful for you, that you will receive an indestructible body for free. God upholds everything. When you throw God out of your life, you throw everything out of your life.... except death and destruction, of course, since they are made by and from Satan and yourself... and your indestructible body, since you didn't really want to die. So, there you have it. God leaves you with your desired death and destruction. But He gives it to you with the eternally living body that Jesus won for you and all people... as a gift. Why this gift for you and all atheists? So at some far end of eternity you have the chance to finally figure out how to make for yourself the joy and glory that God is. You won't, however. It's too complex and complicated. But God, the loving, almighty being that He is, is giving you the gift that you asked for... the chance. What more can God do for you? He gave you life with Him, the only life that really exists. He gave you life without Him, for eternity, like you atheists are asking. He gave you the death and destruction you are asking for by listening to your buddy, Satan. And then He went overboard and gave you this life as time to make your choice... God for eternity, or yourself for eternity. So, here it is again. God giving you your choice , again, through me. Why don't the churches say it this way? Because this simple thing is so complex that God has to teach it to you through the constant reading of the Bible. Fun stuff, right? 
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