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December 03, 2013, 08:34:55 PM
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So tired of quoting. Cheesy

True, but this is their protection clause in printed glory form:

"We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network."

Now I'm not a lawyer and don't feel like bothering a friend who is, but that is a very, very vague statement.  

"Continue to release as competitively priced as we can" says nothing about upgrades, additional modules, partial refunds, etc. for people who are buying their pre-orders.  All it says is they can adjust their pricing. This is not a confidence builder, I may as well tell my kid that if life gets tough someone may help him out.  Or I'll take investor money and "do the best I can" to protect them and make good moves to not lose money.  

Summary => KNC is running another pre-order, pray to God nobody screws with the mining world between now and then. Smiley
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December 03, 2013, 08:44:56 PM
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So tired of quoting. Cheesy

True, but this is their protection clause in printed glory form:

"We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network."

Now I'm not a lawyer and don't feel like bothering a friend who is, but that is a very, very vague statement.  

"Continue to release as competitively priced as we can" says nothing about upgrades, additional modules, partial refunds, etc. for people who are buying their pre-orders.  All it says is they can adjust their pricing. This is not a confidence builder, I may as well tell my kid that if life gets tough someone may help him out.  Or I'll take investor money and "do the best I can" to protect them and make good moves to not lose money.  

Summary => KNC is running another pre-order, pray to God nobody screws with the mining world between now and then. Smiley


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December 03, 2013, 08:49:29 PM
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How much power is Neptune slated to pull?  Is it beyond anything a typical US household/apartment AC outlet could feed?

not stated on their site. why is that?

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December 03, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
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How much power is Neptune slated to pull?  Is it beyond anything a typical US household/apartment AC outlet could feed?

not stated on their site. why is that?

I'm sure they don't know yet because the product doesn't exist.

Since a November Jupiter at ~670 GH consumes around 900 Watts, and a Neptune should equal ~5 Jupiters but be 30% more efficient, I'm guessing that the Neptune will consume ~3000 Watts.
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December 03, 2013, 08:55:19 PM
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How much power is Neptune slated to pull?  Is it beyond anything a typical US household/apartment AC outlet could feed?

not stated on their site. why is that?

Everything they put up is estimates right now:

"The stats and performance that we can release today are"

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Little bit of tweaking and got my 5 boards at almost 750gh/s


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December 03, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
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Oh man .....I just read the best article ever.......
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-reach-98500-say-wall-street-analysts/


to less I assume arround 200,000 a coin at the end.
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Oh man .....I just read the best article ever.......
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-reach-98500-say-wall-street-analysts/


to less I assume arround 200,000 a coin at the end.

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December 03, 2013, 09:51:13 PM
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How much power is Neptune slated to pull?  Is it beyond anything a typical US household/apartment AC outlet could feed?
I think it will be like this:
If you connect the Neptune  to it's OWN 20amp circuit, with nothing else, you should be fine.
Whatever you do, don't put it on the same circuit as something like a microwave, or toaster, or anything that draws significant wattage. Make sure it's on a 20amp breaker minimum.

When you estimate a 20A circuit, you mean on a 110V line, yes? European 230V @ 16A would give 3680W, which should probably hold if kendog77's estimate of 3000W power draw is anywhere near what we will get.
I really hope that it will draw less than 3000W to be able to have it along other things on a slightly loaded circuit.

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December 03, 2013, 10:04:23 PM
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How much power is Neptune slated to pull?  Is it beyond anything a typical US household/apartment AC outlet could feed?
I think it will be like this:
If you connect the Neptune  to it's OWN 20amp circuit, with nothing else, you should be fine.
Whatever you do, don't put it on the same circuit as something like a microwave, or toaster, or anything that draws significant wattage. Make sure it's on a 20amp breaker minimum.

When you estimate a 20A circuit, you mean on a 110V line, yes? European 230V @ 16A would give 3680W, which should probably hold if kendog77's estimate of 3000W power draw is anywhere near what we will get.
I really hope that it will draw less than 3000W to be able to have it along other things on a slightly loaded circuit.
Assuming it will be powered by ATX PSUs, the max spec for North America would be 1300W per PSU. Yes, there are 1500W supplies, but 120V/15A circuits must (electrical code) be derated by 20% for continuous use. So 120V x 15A x 80% is 1440W at the wall. A 90% efficient PSU supplying 1300W DC would be right at the limit. If we use 2 of these, we can supply 2600W DC at most.

So drawing less than 2600W DC would be ideal. Otherwise North American people without convenient access to 240V lines would be ... inconvenienced. Sad

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December 03, 2013, 10:22:01 PM
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How much power is Neptune slated to pull?  Is it beyond anything a typical US household/apartment AC outlet could feed?
I think it will be like this:
If you connect the Neptune  to it's OWN 20amp circuit, with nothing else, you should be fine.
Whatever you do, don't put it on the same circuit as something like a microwave, or toaster, or anything that draws significant wattage. Make sure it's on a 20amp breaker minimum.

When you estimate a 20A circuit, you mean on a 110V line, yes? European 230V @ 16A would give 3680W, which should probably hold if kendog77's estimate of 3000W power draw is anywhere near what we will get.
I really hope that it will draw less than 3000W to be able to have it along other things on a slightly loaded circuit.
Assuming it will be powered by ATX PSUs, the max spec for North America would be 1300W per PSU. Yes, there are 1500W supplies, but 120V/15A circuits must (electrical code) be derated by 20% for continuous use. So 120V x 15A x 80% is 1440W at the wall. A 90% efficient PSU supplying 1300W DC would be right at the limit. If we use 2 of these, we can supply 2600W DC at most.

So drawing less than 2600W DC would be ideal. Otherwise North American people without convenient access to 240V lines would be ... inconvenienced. Sad

I myself would have to find a 240V line to run that machine unless i can get two 1500W PSUs to run it. Even then i am going to have a huge issue with my power being in an apartment

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December 03, 2013, 10:26:16 PM
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How much power is Neptune slated to pull?  Is it beyond anything a typical US household/apartment AC outlet could feed?
I think it will be like this:
If you connect the Neptune  to it's OWN 20amp circuit, with nothing else, you should be fine.
Whatever you do, don't put it on the same circuit as something like a microwave, or toaster, or anything that draws significant wattage. Make sure it's on a 20amp breaker minimum.

When you estimate a 20A circuit, you mean on a 110V line, yes? European 230V @ 16A would give 3680W, which should probably hold if kendog77's estimate of 3000W power draw is anywhere near what we will get.
I really hope that it will draw less than 3000W to be able to have it along other things on a slightly loaded circuit.
Assuming it will be powered by ATX PSUs, the max spec for North America would be 1300W per PSU. Yes, there are 1500W supplies, but 120V/15A circuits must (electrical code) be derated by 20% for continuous use. So 120V x 15A x 80% is 1440W at the wall. A 90% efficient PSU supplying 1300W DC would be right at the limit. If we use 2 of these, we can supply 2600W DC at most.

So drawing less than 2600W DC would be ideal. Otherwise North American people without convenient access to 240V lines would be ... inconvenienced. Sad

I myself would have to find a 240V line to run that machine unless i can get two 1500W PSUs to run it. Even then i am going to have a huge issue with my power being in an apartment

im hoping knc can pull of some magic like when they stated 850 watts for jupiter, but with the firmware updated it was more around 550..... so maybe 1700 watts?! lol

i seriously hope i can run this machine off one 110v 15 amp circuit or it will be a major pain in the ass for me.

OR split the neptune into two seperate boxes so they can run independently off two diff plugs.
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December 03, 2013, 10:32:54 PM
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I wonder if there'll be a hostng option for Neptune. Power being a potential issue, hosting is the obvious solution.

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December 03, 2013, 11:06:15 PM
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Re-examining it with my foil hat on....
There's really no way of knowing right now exact power specs. BUT
.....Given the 30% reduction in watts/Gh/s, we should go from 1.1 to about .77 x 3000 Gh/s....
making the Neptune's min @ about 2310 watts minimum. (If only 3Th/s)
Knowing that, I would tend to think it will either be a dedicated 220v device with a custom PSU....
OR   more likely...have more than one ATX PSU powering it.
I'm thinking in reality, it may be closer to 4Th/s(optomistic, I know...)
So... maybe around 3100 watts
and no,  I retract the earlier statement about the apartment question
that's not small enough for any apartment I now of, but it can be done.
My best advice is this.....  
Call an electrician to actually examine your situation after we find out the details of power requirements.
I think it's safe to say that the Neptune is a commercial device, not intended for Johnny's bedroom.


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December 03, 2013, 11:08:58 PM
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I wonder if there'll be a hostng option for Neptune. Power being a potential issue, hosting is the obvious solution.

I got you covered Smiley
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December 03, 2013, 11:28:30 PM
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Here's the power supply required for the Neptune:


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December 04, 2013, 12:08:26 AM
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You guys know of course that every house in north america has 2 phase 110v...so 220v is available at your panel...you would just need an electrician to come and put in a breaker and a dedicated line to the area where the miner is.

I can't see that costing very much, factor in perhaps another $4-500 for this depending on time and the length of the run.
Put in a 220v 20a circuit and you are good to go.

I did this myself for our Chevy Volt level 2 charging station...piece of cake.
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Little bit of tweaking and got my 5 boards at almost 750gh/s


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Anyone interested in a way to remove the 24 pin ATX cable  Roll Eyes

I made some for myself - you just plug it directly at the back of the PSU and it starts.

The left single one is for EVGA 1300W and the right 2 ones are for Cooler Master V850/V1000 and probably other PSUs that use the same platform:



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