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December 14, 2013, 04:03:21 PM
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come on bfl is garbage

do not tell me about bfl labs

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December 14, 2013, 04:05:33 PM
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come on bfl is garbage

do not tell me about bfl labs
Okay "knc are better than garbage"  Grin

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December 14, 2013, 04:07:27 PM
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1) The SeaSonic has two PCIe connectors one one cable.  Don't use two on one cable.   You should have 4 connectors plugged into the power supply itself (plus mother board and molex connectors).  That means you will have 8 PCIe connectors use only one from each pair.
That did the trick, thanks. The SeaSonic cable has 6 separate 12V lines coming out of 1 modular connector, which splits into 2 separate PCIe connectors with 3 12V lines each, so I had assumed it would be ok (the 12V lines are not shared). But apparently there is a power limiter in the individual output connectors coming from the PSU.

2nd on D&T recommendation.  I run 12 Nov Jupiters with Seasonic X-1250's (or rebrands) using a single PCI-e power from each 'pair' - and so far so good......
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December 14, 2013, 04:23:01 PM
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by far knc is the best company
The only other company that has shipped is bfl, so it's only really fair at this point to say "knc are better than bfl".

I think in the new year, when 2 or 3 more asic companies ship, we'll see a whole new picture emerge.
Q2 begins in 3 months, 2 weeks.... not seven months... and the ststement said q1/q2, so could be sooner.
KNC have shipped *everything* late. Even, somehow, boards they had in stock  Grin So they have a 100% track record of delivering late. That's what I base my numbers on - what they have done over and over again - 100% of the time.
No other company has delivered faster than KNC, and now since others have announced delays longer than the few days KNC was late delivering... So they are already later than KNC.  Waaaaay later than they predicted, I don't see your reasoning. Totally twisted to see what you want, and not the truth. Where are the Terraminers & Baby Jets they "promised" months ago?

They say Q2, it could easily mean "first weeks in Q3". That's totally consistent with what they have done 100% of the time so far. If you think they will suddenly change that, when going out into uncharted water's with 20nm, you are welcome to delude yourself into believing that. It's much more realistic to look at what a company have done 100% of the time to work out how they will perform in the future.

Right. and they are thousands of percents faster when compared to HF & CT's original delivery dates.

Until another company can physically show me a better deal.... They get a facepalm from my wallet.
28nm tech.
KNC = 140GH/s per board  delivered & hashing ..  3 batches!  and the 20NM Neptunes?
HF = 500+GH/s per board  Not a single unit delivered, and delayed over a month over procuring substrates
CT... Just announced fabout....   How late?


Those figures suggest massively superior engineering to me. Me too! How about you phoenuis? Or are you going to tell me 140GH >>>>>>>> 500GH? Yes, I am... that 140 gh/s was delivered in October... and since has increased by a large margin, delivered 3 batches... and Now the Neptunes are on the way.... Where is HF again?  and CT?

Anything else, and you're delusional.
You call me delusional when you have those figures in front of you Grin I think those knc rose tinted glasses you wear are pinching your brain a little too much. All that "special treatment" you got from knc is clouding your judgement.
Delusional, yes indeed. Hahahaha. I guess we will see who is more delusional come Neptune time. This is the same stuff we heard all along the dev process with KNC... yet they dominate the current hashrate

and...  "HashFast Announces Fastest Bitcoin Mining Chip in the World!"...  uh huh...
See above - it is! Unless in your rose coloured world 140GH >>>>>>>> 500GH?
It's crazy how different we see things....   Wink  Your fact-age is true indeed, yet so is mine. A matter of perspective. Interesting to hear though.


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December 14, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
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28nm tech.
KNC = 140GH/s per board
HF = 500+GH/s per board

Those figures suggest massively superior engineering to me. How about you phoenuis? Or are you going to tell me 140GH >>>>>>>> 500GH?

500GH/s per board isn't necessarily superior engineering.  What if your board or chip dies, then you down 500GH/s hashing power till replacement arrives = more lose in BTC
at least with KNC you're only down 140GH/s and other boards still gets you something, to me KNC have superior engineering and also done without water cooling.

come on bfl is garbage

do not tell me about bfl labs

BFL the company and management are garbage, but their miners arn't that bad at all.

I have little single hashing since early august and been hashing flawlessly since.  virtually no HW errors and never rebooted.  just runs and runs.

But, I'm no BFL fan by far.  it took 14 months from payment till shipped. 
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December 14, 2013, 04:43:44 PM
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It's crazy how different we see things....   Wink  Interesting to hear though.
To be honest, I haven't been following Hashfast and when they promised to deliver. But seeing the 500GH/s per chip news seems like a massive leap forward.

Toying with the number - they are saying they expect to get more than 500GH/s from these chips as they refine things. So let's say 576GH/s, as it's a number we are all familiar with in this thread. Jupiter per chip.

So you buy 2 Sierra's, 6 chips, that's about 3.5TH. They claim "Orders placed today are guaranteed to ship by March 31, 2014", which I would consider is possible since they now have working chips and ample time to refine. It'll be solid tech, not another round of prototype's like the neptune will be. It's worth extra, in my mind, not to be a guinea pig.

At $6,300x2, that's $12,600 with delivery in Q1. So cheaper and sooner than knc promise neptune.

I'm no fanboi for any company, but doesn't that look the better deal to you phoenix? Obviously you got a massive discount, but for those who are paying the full neptune $13k, it's a good deal no?

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December 14, 2013, 04:49:21 PM
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I think we should not despise any company
because competition is good for end user
if not have that we were still using the bfl

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December 14, 2013, 04:52:23 PM
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all hashfast did was just put 4 dies onto one package....i dont see how its so revolutionary. the box is still bigger than knc boxes and way more complex = more to go wrong....
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December 14, 2013, 04:55:34 PM
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It's crazy how different we see things....   Wink  Interesting to hear though.
To be honest, I haven't been following Hashfast and when they promised to deliver. But seeing the 500GH/s per chip news seems like a massive leap forward.

Toying with the number - they are saying they expect to get more than 500GH/s from these chips as they refine things. So let's say 576GH/s, as it's a number we are all familiar with in this thread. Jupiter per chip.

So you buy 2 Sierra's, 6 chips, that's about 3.5TH. They claim "Orders placed today are guaranteed to ship by March 31, 2014", which I would consider is possible since they now have working chips and ample time to refine. It'll be solid tech, not another round of prototype's like the neptune will be.

At $6,300x2, that's $12,600 with delivery in Q1. So cheaper and sooner than knc promise neptune.

I'm no fanboi for any company, but doesn't that look the better deal to you phoenix? Obviously you got a massive discount, but for those who are paying the full neptune $13k, it's a good deal no?
I had considered that, and decided the 3th/s was a minimum number, and compared that to the original Jupiter specs... which ended up nearly double. Then I also considered who has delivered, and who has not. If I had to narrow my choice to a single word explanation, it would be "Experience".  To me, actions speak 100 times louder than words... and so far...words are all we have from HF & CT. Wasn't a hard decision to stay with a proven Company for me. Especially one who treated me so well.


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December 14, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
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all hashfast did was just put 4 dies onto one package....i dont see how its so revolutionary. the box is still bigger than knc boxes and way more complex = more to go wrong....
KNC also packaged 4 dies into one package - only each die is only pushing out 35GH/s. Whereas hf is pushing 130GH/s ish. That's like 3 times more per die. I didn't say it was "revolutionary", but it's certainly significant numbers.

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December 14, 2013, 04:59:28 PM
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knc dies are on the same silicon tho, just divided into 4 sectors. hashfast literally took 4 chips and put them on one substrate.... each of those 4 little chips probably has 4 dies its self as well....see what im saying? if knc took 4 of its chips and put them all on one subrate, it would be the same thing, under one heatspreader and heatsink....
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all hashfast did was just put 4 dies onto one package....i dont see how its so revolutionary. the box is still bigger than knc boxes and way more complex = more to go wrong....
KNC also packaged 4 dies into one package - only each die is only pushing out 35GH/s. Whereas hf is pushing 130GH/s ish. That's like 3 times more per die. I didn't say it was "revolutionary", but it's certainly significant numbers.
Wonder where I would be now if I had chosen HF or CT?.... BROKE!


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December 14, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
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all hashfast did was just put 4 dies onto one package....i dont see how its so revolutionary. the box is still bigger than knc boxes and way more complex = more to go wrong....
KNC also packaged 4 dies into one package - only each die is only pushing out 35GH/s. Whereas hf is pushing 130GH/s ish. That's like 3 times more per die. I didn't say it was "revolutionary", but it's certainly significant numbers.
Wonder where I would be now if I had chosen HF or CT?.... BROKE!
As I said, didn't follow when hf promised to ship. Did hf promise to deliver in September?

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December 14, 2013, 05:04:05 PM
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where would you have been without comp'd boards?


the same boat as the rest of us!


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December 14, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
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all hashfast did was just put 4 dies onto one package....i dont see how its so revolutionary. the box is still bigger than knc boxes and way more complex = more to go wrong....
KNC also packaged 4 dies into one package - only each die is only pushing out 35GH/s. Whereas hf is pushing 130GH/s ish. That's like 3 times more per die. I didn't say it was "revolutionary", but it's certainly significant numbers.
Wonder where I would be now if I had chosen HF or CT?.... BROKE!
As I said, didn't follow when hf promised to ship. Did hf promise to deliver in September?
First was Sept 30th, then November, now February 28th for batch 1


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December 14, 2013, 05:10:48 PM
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Especially one who treated me so well.
That really does make all the difference vs getting faulty gear and no help.

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December 14, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
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Especially one who treated me so well.
That really does make all the difference vs getting faulty gear and no help.
ever heard of RMA?  All you had to do was call them if you had a "faulty rig"
Those who did, got replacements, most in record time.


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December 14, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
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Especially one who treated me so well.
That really does make all the difference vs getting faulty gear and no help.

PREACH!!



+ NO RMA for single dead dies... forgot again did you?
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December 14, 2013, 05:17:58 PM
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Especially one who treated me so well.
That really does make all the difference vs getting faulty gear and no help.

PREACH!!  


+ NO RMA for single dead dies... forgot again did you?
and who told you that?   You got refused an RMA board with a dead die?  Show us please.


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December 14, 2013, 05:45:27 PM
 #25920

Especially one who treated me so well.
That really does make all the difference vs getting faulty gear and no help.

PREACH!! 


+ NO RMA for single dead dies... forgot again did you?
and who told you that?   You got refused an RMA board with a dead die?  Show us please.


1 - i see you continue to lie about 'putting people on ignore'

2 - Hno has said it a number of times - KnC themselves have YET to answer a single email or phonecall placed by me, and there have been PLENTY since late October when the rig finally arrived

3 - who is this 'us' that reserves the right to demand proof of previously established facts?

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