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January 07, 2018, 06:51:15 PM
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I think it would be in top 10 in coinmarket cap


What do you think about the actual value on hitbtc, is it realistic? With this value tezos would be on position 17 on coinmarketcap. IMO tezos can reach cardano in some months...

overtaking cardano shouldn´t be a problem after the release if they can hold the promises
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January 07, 2018, 08:22:09 PM
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I think it would be in top 10 in coinmarket cap


What do you think about the actual value on hitbtc, is it realistic? With this value tezos would be on position 17 on coinmarketcap. IMO tezos can reach cardano in some months...

overtaking cardano shouldn´t be a problem after the release if they can hold the promises

Indeed tezos can easily go on top 10 coinmarketcap. The reason is that they have a clear vision of what to do. pos consensus, paying other to develop apps on their blockchain is the most killer thing to do in my opinion.
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January 07, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
Last edit: January 07, 2018, 11:45:33 PM by chesthing
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This shit is going nowhere if the Gevers disaster isn't dealt with.
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January 08, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
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Maybe SIRIN LABS 1st blockchain phone and cold wallet will use TEZOS blockchain
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January 08, 2018, 03:27:51 PM
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This shit is going nowhere if the Gevers disaster isn't dealt with.

I don't think it will be that easy for Gevers. Some that huge money will find a way to Breitmans, just a hunch  Grin

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January 08, 2018, 05:40:11 PM
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Maybe SIRIN LABS 1st blockchain phone and cold wallet will use TEZOS blockchain

I heard they use iota.
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January 08, 2018, 06:27:20 PM
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Maybe SIRIN LABS 1st blockchain phone and cold wallet will use TEZOS blockchain

I heard they use iota.

SIRIN LABS CEO Moshe Hogeg  said today CARDANO or TEZOS
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January 08, 2018, 06:34:28 PM
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Maybe SIRIN LABS 1st blockchain phone and cold wallet will use TEZOS blockchain

I heard they use iota.

SIRIN LABS CEO Moshe Hogeg  said today CARDANO or TEZOS

Can you share the source please, I missed it. And I think it wouldn't be surprising to see many projects on Tezos in the near future.

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January 08, 2018, 08:00:31 PM
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Maybe SIRIN LABS 1st blockchain phone and cold wallet will use TEZOS blockchain

I heard they use iota.

SIRIN LABS CEO Moshe Hogeg  said today CARDANO or TEZOS

Can you share the source please, I missed it. And I think it wouldn't be surprising to see many projects on Tezos in the near future.

https://www.facebook.com/SirinLabs/videos/1911242412525414/
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January 09, 2018, 06:51:40 AM
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SIRIN LABS uses/will use IOTA

IOTA
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January 09, 2018, 09:16:02 AM
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Maybe SIRIN LABS 1st blockchain phone and cold wallet will use TEZOS blockchain

I heard they use iota.

SIRIN LABS CEO Moshe Hogeg  said today CARDANO or TEZOS

Can you share the source please, I missed it. And I think it wouldn't be surprising to see many projects on Tezos in the near future.

https://www.facebook.com/SirinLabs/videos/1911242412525414/
Thought it was IOTA as well, but either Cardano or Tezos would be amazing! I can't check it out here, but can someone confirm he really does say it?

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January 09, 2018, 09:35:00 AM
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Make your mind up..

CARDANO Haskel  or TEZOS OCaml ?..


OCaml

Haskell is a complete joke when it comes to practicality. The developer tool stack sucks, the defacto standard compiler is grindingly slow and horribly badly written and virtually impossible to build much less develop, the REPL is a toy, the libraries are atrocious and the community consists almost entirely of smug weenies.

In contrast, the OCaml community are quieter because they spend their time solving real problems and shipping production code rather than publishing research papers about The Sieve of Eratosthenes (see Page on hmc.edu). Oh, and they're honest.

Parallelism

OCaml has poor support for multicore parallelism but at least it has been used for large scientific computations on supercomputers using MPI. For example, OCaml held the record for largest symbolic computation ever performed (see Archives of the Caml mailing list > Message from Thomas Fischbacher). Haskell has not. Haskell has a highly experimental and largely ineffectual approach to parallel programming (see Regular, shape-polymorphic, parallel arrays in Haskell) coupled with a bare-bones runtime (nowhere near the level of sophistication or efficiency offered by the JVM or .NET). I am not aware of anybody ever having done anything of that magnitude using Haskell.

Concurrency

Concurrency is a completely different kettle of fish, nothing to do with parallelism and should not be bundled under the same subheading. OCaml has had very solid support for concurrency for over 15 years now. In fact, 15 years ago the heavily concurrent MLDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing client had hundreds of thousands of users (that's probably more users than all Haskell programs ever written combined). No similar success story exists for Haskell. More recently, Haskell got equivalent support for concurrent programming but with few users so it is nowhere near as mature.

Libraries

Haskell has a huge number of very poor quality libraries. OCaml has far fewer but much higher quality libraries. If you want linear algebra then OCaml has lacaml. If you want fourier transforms then OCaml has FFTW. Incidentally, FFTW provides the fourier transform routines used in MATLAB which has millions of users and it is written in OCaml. No similar success story exists for Haskell. OCaml has one official set of LLVM bindings that are shipped with LLVM itself. Haskell has several unofficial bindings none of which are bundled with LLVM so you'll need to play "spot the abandonware" before you even start your project. OCaml is vastly superior when it comes to parsing, with many extremely high quality parser generators available mostly along the lines of standard industrial tools like lex and yacc (ocamllex, ocamlyacc, menhir, dypgen, camlp4). I'm not sure Haskell has any such tools and most developers use a quirky parser combinator library called Parsec that is unlike anything you have ever seen before or will ever see again (it is really quite grim, IMO). To give you some idea, I wrote a Mathematica parser using lex and yacc in OCaml and Wolfram Research bought it. I tried to write the same parser using Parsec and found it to be a nightmare in comparison and nobody is going to pay for that.

Typeclasses vs modules

Haskell has typeclasses. OCaml has higher-order modules. Typeclasses are good "in the small" for things like overloading arithmetic operators. Modules are good "in the large" for structural industrial-size code bases. For example, Citrix use modules to structure their million line code base that is maintained by ~20 OCaml developers. There are no million line Haskell code bases or companies employing 20 Haskell developers but at least the students using Haskell can write the Fibonacci function more elegantly over arbitrary-precision rationals.

Software engineering

Haskell's safety features will lull you into a false sense of security only to throw you under the bus when a deadline looms. You cannot predict performance. You cannot predict memory requirements. Fancy compiler optimisations break under the most bizarre circumstances. You'll need to learn GHC's intermediate language if you want your code to run ok. That's impractical for engineering. Can you imagine a civil engineer saying the bridge is a beautiful shape but nobody knows how much weight it can take?

Things Tikhon forgot to mention

Haskell has great support for monads and deterministic parallelism. On the other hand, OCaml has a sack full of language features that are designed specifically to make it more practical. For example, function arguments can be labelled or optional in OCaml. Imagine a function that creates a line with a given width, color, dash style, join and end styles. With Haskell you must specify all 6 arguments every time you call the function. With OCaml you can provide sane defaults and provide only one or two arguments most of the time. Not rocket science but very practical.

OCaml has polymorphic variants. For example, OpenGL has the concept of front and back buffers. To refer to the front buffer in Haskell you write:

Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.Framebuffer.FrontBuffer

In OCaml you write `front. Again, not rocket science but very practical.

Since Perl, dictionaries or hash tables have been one of the most popular data structures. OCaml has had a decent dictionary implementation (Hashtbl) since its inception. In the Haskell world, real users had to complain for 4 years (see Improve interaction between mutable arrays and GC) because Haskell's hash tables were 32x slower than .NETs (see F# vs OCaml vs Haskell: hash table performance) before a serious performance bug in the garbage collector was fixed. Thanks to that fix Haskell is now just 2x slower than OCaml and 10x slower than F# (see Hash table insertion performance: F# vs OCaml vs Haskell).

Finally, perhaps you can measure practicality by the number of people who put their money where their mouth is. OCaml has INRIA's CAML Consortium that allows industrial users to fund work and get OCaml under other licenses. The CAML Consortium has garnered 13 members and is still rising. Three companies using Haskell founded the Haskell Industrial Group in 2009. Over 6 years since then they have succeeded in garnering no new paying members at all.


I WILL BUY TEZOS Wink Grin..Hope not to expensive on release  Cry Cry I will have less Cry Cry Cheesy Cheesy..

No forks safer for businesses ..

And ethereum  is a safe will a hole in the back Wink..  3 TIMES i lost my ETH Angry Angry..

Never use that shite again Wink..

Never lost btc ..Never lost XRP ripple..
Never lost any coin EXCEPT eth Cry Cry..

So i stays away for security reasons..As in like i don't want to lose my monies .. Grin.

Bad eth  bad bad eth..

Please don't be to expensive TEZOS so i can buy some as in loads Grin..


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January 09, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
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Now the fact they are adding more code to OCaml will make it way the best  Wink..

The world needs this for business Wink..
Plus the fact everyone gets a vote on future technology on the blockchain ..
Meaning no more added diluted bullshit coins MICKEY MOUSE COIN Cheesy Cheesy
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January 09, 2018, 09:42:51 AM
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Daniel C Wang, Senior Software Developer at Amazon (2015-present)
Answered Dec 27, 2012
Ocaml. It was designed to be useful. Haskell was designed to show things that were thought impractical actually are practical. I don't think it succeeded.
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January 09, 2018, 09:44:41 AM
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Some do like CARDANO better though..

Anthony Cipriano
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Haskell is a purely functional language, where pure means “totally functional” and “state/ side-effect free”.

This, of course, can be limiting depending on your style of coding.

OCaml, on the other hand, allows you to use mutable variables and other imperative constructs.

In general, Haskell is more academic, but this doesn’t imply that it isn’t useful in practice.

While the best selling point of OCaml is FP+OOP in one language combine,

the best about Haskell probably are its users, which create incredibly powerful tools for any kind of work and publish it via Hackage/ Cabal.

Haskell is more “community-driven” than OCaml, which is mostly developed by Inria.

As a conclusion I would say, that both of them are practical, even though I personally prefer Haskell.



Which of Haskell and OCaml is more practical? For example, in ...
https://www.quora.com/Which-of-Haskell-and-OCaml-is-more-practical-For-example-in...
5 Aug 2017 - This is a question I'm particularly well-placed to answer because I've spent quite a bit of time with both Haskell and OCaml, seeing both in the real world (including working at Jane Street for a bit). ... I tried to write the same parser using Parsec and found it to be a nightmare in comparison and nobody is going to pay for that.
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January 09, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
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Daniel C Wang, Senior Software Developer at Amazon (2015-present)
Answered Dec 27, 2012
Ocaml. It was designed to be useful. Haskell was designed to show things that were thought impractical actually are practical. I don't think it succeeded.

AMAZON..Where are they NOW Shocked Shocked..
So i would tend to believe a guy from 1 of the biggest if not the biggest companies on this planet Grin..

That company is booming and i am sure OCaml help them  Wink..

So if good for AMAZON good for me ..
Should spread some TEZOS FUD to get them cheap Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..Hmm maybe  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..

I want at least 200 tezos i wonder how much they will be when they release the tezos ?..
With a bit a FUD might get them cheaper Cheesy Cheesy..
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January 09, 2018, 10:33:56 AM
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If no release does that mean i can ask the for the monies to go to another charity like save the oceans?..
I will try if no release because not worth wasting 1 billion dollars on NOTHING because no founder can get any monies YOUR NOT ALLOWED  Wink..So goes to another worthy cause like saving the ocean..

1 billion for the fishees from the rich land whales to the ocean fishy whales..

So gevers gevers where did you get those eyes
gevers gevers have we got a surprise ?..

17th you do a talk Wink..Be nice to each other please Wink

20th i see nothing done on your behalf GEVERS we scream for your head Wink<bye bye

Oh as in sacked not killed Wink..This coin is civil governess everyone as a donated community will ask for you to be gone under SWISS LAW because of your incompetence ..

You need to help build it gevers  Wink..HELP DUMB ASS Wink

The donated peoples done their work by going to work and earning hard work monies so YOU could do the same SO DO IT  Wink..

No more time wasted MR GEVERS ..You have a chance to shine you IDIOT  Wink..

So grasp it or you GO..20th of jan  do something to prove you are worth being on the tezos foundation.. Wink..

I THROW BRICKS in oceans  that ripple across this earth Wink..

Lets not make the ripples about you GEVERS ..See in the real world who knows about tech Wink..

So don't let the real world know YOU Wink..The many don't know you but will if i say Wink

Invest in Gevers no thanks they will say Wink..

TURNS GOLD TO SHIT..So 20th we expect you to pop up with some good ideas..

Speak about the long tail i will kill myself Cheesy Cheesy..
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January 09, 2018, 01:57:00 PM
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This shit is going nowhere if the Gevers disaster isn't dealt with.

the good thing is, after the release the thousands of new people coming to crypto don´t know/care about all the mess and maybe  just give it the chance Tezos deserves

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January 09, 2018, 02:18:45 PM
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This shit is going nowhere if the Gevers disaster isn't dealt with.

the good thing is, after the release the thousands of new people coming to crypto don´t know/care about all the mess and maybe  just give it the chance Tezos deserves
tezos need to launch on a good time, then it can get more eyes, if the whole market is cooling down, no one will care, the other is that, there are too many icos today, projects are running with time
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January 10, 2018, 07:58:12 AM
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This shit is going nowhere if the Gevers disaster isn't dealt with.

the good thing is, after the release the thousands of new people coming to crypto don´t know/care about all the mess and maybe  just give it the chance Tezos deserves
tezos need to launch on a good time, then it can get more eyes, if the whole market is cooling down, no one will care, the other is that, there are too many icos today, projects are running with time

there will be either way an initail dump. the USD valuation is not the most important thing

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