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Question: How much of your corn do you plan on cashing out in the next massive bull run?
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I believe that currently it is way too soon to accept your assertion with any level of confidence as gospel.

In contrary to scr0ach I successfully erased all christian background from my belivings.
So, gospels are ok, as long its so called Xmass Scr0ach, fried scr0ach.

indeed my words could sound like a gospel or other written shit but, face reality: even if you think it's to early to proclaim that - I'm first who done this.

Good night JJG

ps/ no more 4D

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If you had a brush in your hand now, how would you draw your lines by looking at this chart? There is only one possible direction which makes sense.

Do you also see what I see?

*$100k incoming (we may skip 2020 too, 2021 is more likely)

Go thru a 7000 to 8000 $ valley first. Seems logic (for what it is worth in this world).  Wink

Hm?

Another "down before up" prognosticator.  May the luck be with you, in the event that you are betting on such proposition, along with a decent number of others who are betting on "down before up," yet need not be named at this time.

Well JJG, actually, for me it doesn 't matter. That is what I learned from you. My Corn value is up and I have plenty of coverage down, even lower than the proposed low. And I am happy with small trades in ladders, so also ready for the big one, be it up or down!  Wink

Hey, Ludwig Von.  I have no reason to doubt your proclamations in regard to having had prepared yourself for either BTC price direction, and therefore your speculation regarding "down before up" is going to carry a decent amount of more credibility, at least in terms of your not talking your books.

However (you see that there is nearly always a "however" hahahaha), I'm still a bit reserved in capitulating to any kind of "down before up" assertion or to give it much credence in terms of expectations.  

Just seems to me that, at this time, there would be a lot more pleasure for bitcoin  (to the extent that baby can feel pleasure), to punish those "down before uppers" because baby BTC  does not really seem like she wants to comply with pattern expectations, especially when there are a decent number of "smart than thou" people who seem so damned inclined to treat baby BTC as a mature asset class, and in the heart of hearts of a decent number of actual smart money folks, there remains a decently strong recognition (even if not outwardly shown) that she is merely a baby, and babies don't really tend to behave how you would prefer them to ... those lil fucks.



You are absolutely right. Just adjust a bit, I am trading in small size, a little bit of my stash, well, small stash, and only looking at a bit of Euro in reserve while keeping BTC going up. And in macro view, I have a feeling that all major world fiat currencies are trying to melt down all together, they also love each other after all... . Wink
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Go thru a 7000 to 8000 $ valley first. Seems logic (for what it is worth in this world).  Wink

Quite possible.

The most obvious inference from the chart is that price moved too soon, and MA's need to catch up.  That is confirmed even if you go back further, to 2011 say.

To follow a smooth trajectory, price needs to have been around 7k now. It is unclear whether the catch up can occur by means of a deeper correction, or a quiet extended range for a few months.

The third way is for a steeper bull run, but this seems unlikely because logically, and observably, the long cycles are extending and smoothing as adoption proceeds.
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August 08, 2019, 11:53:19 PM

This consolidation at upper resistance is epic

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Go thru a 7000 to 8000 $ valley first. Seems logic (for what it is worth in this world).  Wink

Quite possible.



No son, not possible.
No logic in your thought valley.
Sorry.  Grin
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Go thru a 7000 to 8000 $ valley first. Seems logic (for what it is worth in this world).  Wink

Quite possible.



No son, not possible.
No logic in your thought valley.
Sorry.  Grin


Everything can be resolved to probabilities.

 'Not probable' is what you meant to say.
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 'Not probable' is what you meant to say.

I will insist with original, :not possible: - same trade mining
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How many definitions has Bitcoin: currency, value reserve, financial revolution, digital gold, inefficient database, Ponzi scheme, only bubble, etc ... all true and all false, depending on your background.

In this very interesting article the author goes much further, coming to define Bitcoin as a living organism, a new form of life!

https://medium.com/@dergigi/proof-of-life-fa28fdc002fe
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How many definitions has Bitcoin: currency, value reserve, financial revolution, digital gold, inefficient database, Ponzi scheme, only bubble, etc ... all true and all false, depending on your background.

In this very interesting article the author goes much further, coming to define Bitcoin as a living organism, a new form of life!

https://medium.com/@dergigi/proof-of-life-fa28fdc002fe

looks like emerging new organismus.

Is this yellow colour some how connected to gold? Grin
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Bitcoin is like........

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=41N6bKO-NVI

Btw, who can complete this easy challenge??
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August 09, 2019, 12:44:40 AM

I believe that currently it is way too soon to accept your assertion with any level of confidence as gospel.

In contrary to scr0ach I successfully erased all christian background from my belivings.
So, gospels are ok, as long its so called Xmass Scr0ach, fried scr0ach.

indeed my words could sound like a gospel or other written shit but, face reality: even if you think it's to early to proclaim that - I'm first who done this.

Good night JJG

ps/ no more 4D

First:  Saying that something is gospel or NOT is merely an expression to reflect a kind of certainty in the proclamation that is being made.  There should be no need to assign any kind of christianity meaning to such an expression, especially in a thread like this.

Second: I have no idea what purpose is served to emphasize anything related to roach.   Surely, each of us might be guilty, a bit, in giving that goofball too much attention, even such attention had meant to be in the negative.  Personally, I do not agree that he should be ignored, either, because then his ideas would then be allowed to run rough shod out there... My point is why the fuck is there any need to refer to roach in this particular matter?

Third:  Maybe you could have been the first to call "no more four digits" with such enthusiasm, but really this whole matter seems to be kind of coming off as you wanting sorcerer status.  Who cares who said what first?  Many times we have all kinds of ideas that are batted around in this thread, and it is not like any of us have very many original ideas, even if we might become known for repeating certain kinds of themes.  I guess what I am saying is that I wonder what kind of need there is to be the supposed first, because in the end, none of us really know about these price dynamics, and if we happen to get some kind of prediction correct, that seems to be more a matter of luck rather than something that we really had any kind of meaningful foresight into, amiNOTrite?
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Bitcoin is like........

Nothing we've seen before
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First:  Saying that something is gospel or NOT is merely an expression to reflect a kind of certainty in the proclamation that is being made.  There should be no need to assign any kind of christianity meaning to such an expression, especially in a thread like this.

Second: I have no idea what purpose is served to emphasize anything related to roach.   Surely, each of us might be guilty, a bit, in giving that goofball too much attention, even such attention had meant to be in the negative.  Personally, I do not agree that he should be ignored, either, because then his ideas would then be allowed to run rough shod out there... My point is why the fuck is there any need to refer to roach in this particular matter?

Third:  Maybe you could have been the first to call "no more four digits" with such enthusiasm, but really this whole matter seems to be kind of coming off as you wanting sorcerer status.  Who cares who said what first?  Many times we have all kinds of ideas that are batted around in this thread, and it is not like any of us have very many original ideas, even if we might become known for repeating certain kinds of themes.  I guess what I am saying is that I wonder what kind of need there is to be the supposed first, because in the end, none of us really know about these price dynamics, and if we happen to get some kind of prediction correct, that seems to be more a matter of luck rather than something that we really had any kind of meaningful foresight into, amiNOTrite?

It's all of you JJG - have you ever placed bet on colour more than 1S? or you are healthy/clever man who don't do gambling?
I hate enthusiasm.
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You are absolutely right. Just adjust a bit, I am trading in small size, a little bit of my stash, well, small stash, and only looking at a bit of Euro in reserve while keeping BTC going up.

If you recall our BTC price move from $4,200 to $13,880,  it is likely that quite a few of us only experienced a few dips that allowed us to buy back some of our sold BTC, so in some sense there was a bit of a feeling of a straight up in BTC price which is a good practice run for what kinds of extremes for which you and your BTC portfolio needs to be prepared.  Of course, frequently we are likely going to receive pauses in UPwards BTC price movement, but we should be prepared for the extremes, both psychologically and financially.

So, yeah, since the end of June, and our $13,880 price peak, there has been a lot of DOWN and UP that has allowed for several times opportunities to buy back some BTC - even if a guy (or gal) might end up selling such BTC again upon the subsequent BTC price rise, for me, there is a stacking sats components to my DOWN and UP in which with each return back UP, I will end up having a bit more BTC than I had the first time around at that particular price point.



And in macro view, I have a feeling that all major world fiat currencies are trying to melt down all together, they also love each other after all... . Wink

Of course, there frequently is speculation that a collapse will happen gradually, then all at once, but I still think that it is going to take well over 20 years for any kind of meaningful collapse to take place, and even then it might be hard to determine with any kind of precision where baby BTC is going to be in that whole scheme of things... even while at the same time, those of us investing in bitcoin likely realize that relatively speaking, BTC should be in a very decent place - how many of us will be alive and well and in a decent position to enjoy our likely ongoing wealth in 20 years?  There will be quite a few of us gone, even if from causes other than old age.
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 'Not probable' is what you meant to say.

I will insist with original, :not possible: - same trade mining

That is ridiculous to stick with the original, especially when you are presented with a less absolutist way forward.

Yes, many of us HODLers wish for the BTC price to go up, but the mere existence of our wish, and even the existence of similar wishes of other HODLers does not hardly cause the wish to become an absolute.
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Things are not bad. Onward and upward  Wink
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First:  Saying that something is gospel or NOT is merely an expression to reflect a kind of certainty in the proclamation that is being made.  There should be no need to assign any kind of christianity meaning to such an expression, especially in a thread like this.

Second: I have no idea what purpose is served to emphasize anything related to roach.   Surely, each of us might be guilty, a bit, in giving that goofball too much attention, even such attention had meant to be in the negative.  Personally, I do not agree that he should be ignored, either, because then his ideas would then be allowed to run rough shod out there... My point is why the fuck is there any need to refer to roach in this particular matter?

Third:  Maybe you could have been the first to call "no more four digits" with such enthusiasm, but really this whole matter seems to be kind of coming off as you wanting sorcerer status.  Who cares who said what first?  Many times we have all kinds of ideas that are batted around in this thread, and it is not like any of us have very many original ideas, even if we might become known for repeating certain kinds of themes.  I guess what I am saying is that I wonder what kind of need there is to be the supposed first, because in the end, none of us really know about these price dynamics, and if we happen to get some kind of prediction correct, that seems to be more a matter of luck rather than something that we really had any kind of meaningful foresight into, amiNOTrite?

It's all of you JJG - have you ever placed bet on colour more than 1S? or you are healthy/clever man who don't do gambling?
I hate enthusiasm.

Of course, I have gambled.  I am old enough to have a lot of different life experiences, and surely some of those life experiences involve a lot more risk taking than others.

With regards to finances, I have largely attempted to take the vast majority of any kind of gambling tendency out of my various investments, and I recall learning that soon after leaving high school and then getting some personal financial and goal setting training in my first job (probably within a few months after leaving home).  One of the things that I learned early on was to attempt to live within your means and to have some kind of investment or savings plan (and the ideas of compounding returns), so I continued to attempt to apply those principles from my youngest years including trying to continue to invest at least 10% of my income into various investments, and my investments tended to be quite conservative. 

I also tried to learn as I went, and sometimes I made some mistakes, too.  To the extent that there could have been some gambling involved with some of the extra money that I had been stacking away, I also would attempt to hedge my investments too, but I learned that along the way, too. 

I pretty much started from nothing when I graduated from high school and soon after leaving home, and just before I got into bitcoin, I had largely felt that I had already established a pretty decent level of wealth, but I had considered bitcoin to be a way to hedge my traditional investments.   

So?  What kind of approach are you suggesting, degxtra1?  Even  if we feel that there is "no chance" of BTC going below $10k ever again, we still need to work within a budget, don't we?  Also, even if we assume no lower than 5 digits in this particular BTC market, even a drop down to $10k would be more than a 15% price drop.  How should we deal with that, if it were to occur?

Are you suggesting  BIG baller moves, degxtra1?  Is there any difference in how newbies might approach our current BTC price situation as compared with someone who has already largely established his/her BTC position?
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guys, do you remeber this shit?  Grin


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First:  Saying that something is gospel or NOT is merely an expression to reflect a kind of certainty in the proclamation that is being made.  There should be no need to assign any kind of christianity meaning to such an expression, especially in a thread like this.

Second: I have no idea what purpose is served to emphasize anything related to roach.   Surely, each of us might be guilty, a bit, in giving that goofball too much attention, even such attention had meant to be in the negative.  Personally, I do not agree that he should be ignored, either, because then his ideas would then be allowed to run rough shod out there... My point is why the fuck is there any need to refer to roach in this particular matter?

Third:  Maybe you could have been the first to call "no more four digits" with such enthusiasm, but really this whole matter seems to be kind of coming off as you wanting sorcerer status.  Who cares who said what first?  Many times we have all kinds of ideas that are batted around in this thread, and it is not like any of us have very many original ideas, even if we might become known for repeating certain kinds of themes.  I guess what I am saying is that I wonder what kind of need there is to be the supposed first, because in the end, none of us really know about these price dynamics, and if we happen to get some kind of prediction correct, that seems to be more a matter of luck rather than something that we really had any kind of meaningful foresight into, amiNOTrite?

It's all of you JJG - have you ever placed bet on colour more than 1S? or you are healthy/clever man who don't do gambling?
I hate enthusiasm.

Of course, I have gambled.  I am old enough to have a lot of different life experiences, and surely some of those life experiences involve a lot more risk taking than others.

...

So?  What kind of approach are you suggesting, degxtra1?  Even  if we feel that there is "no chance" of BTC going below $10k ever again, we still need to work within a budget, don't we?  Also, even if we assume no lower than 5 digits in this particular BTC market, even a drop down to $10k would be more than a 15% price drop.  How should we deal with that, if it were to occur?

Are you suggesting  BIG baller moves, degxtra1?  Is there any difference in how newbies might approach our current BTC price situation as compared with someone who has already largely established his/her BTC position?
you gambled, of course, but I ask question if that was more than 1s on stake ?

The question is in how many days we reach 6digit (6D) number.
Could you bet?

My bet is: in less than 645 days.

And yes , I took this number from my ass, but I'm quite convinced it happen earlier. Let's make it personal: If i'm wrong I will pay you 0.1BTC.

What is your bet?

And how much you will pay me if you are wrong - Im happy with my stake.  Grin
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you gambled, of course, but I ask question if that was more than 1s on stake ?

The more you type, the more ridiculous of a state under which you seem to devolve.

You started out as potentially somewhat normal, like a guy with some bullish expectations, yet the more that I question your various assertions the more famous you seem to want to become from whatever the fuck various ideas that you have seem to have, and largely I may not even disagree with what you are asserting except maybe the way that you are saying them, rather than what you are saying.   

When you ask about putting "more than 1s on stake", I don't even know what you are talking about.  Furthermore, your first assertion was that we would never go below 5 digits again, and now you want to talk about whether we will go to 6 digits in 645 days.  Why do I give too many fucks, except that you are talking in gibberish absolutes, and I have no interest in discussing the taking the opposite of bets in such scenarios, even though there might be other posters here who are more than willing to take the opposite side of any bet that you want to make, especially if you want to make them in absolutes.


The question is in how many days we reach 6digit (6D) number.
Could you bet?

My bet is: in less than 645 days.

Do you see me posting in this thread about predictions that I might have or not have? 

I see one of my missions in life is to call bullshit on wannabe sorcerers.  Of course, I tend to be decently more sympathetic to wannabe bull sorcerers, but still when the get aggressive and double down like you seem to be inclined to do, then it just seems that you are getting way the fuck too embedded into whatever hopium you have been smoking.

Of course, there are decent odds for BTC to reach 6 digits in 645 days, but I surely don't want to take any bet with you - and especially not currently while you are coming off as all worked up and self-righteous - even though that could cause you to make even dumber bets.


And yes , I took this number from my ass, but I'm quite convinced it happen earlier. Let's make it personal: If i'm wrong I will pay you 0.1BTC.

I don't care and I would not even want to take your .1BTC if you were to be wrong.  I have plenty of my own BTC, and I could care less about whether you are correct or not and I am not in the mood, at this time to be discussing a bet with you when you have been largely playing evasive tactics with questions that I have already posed to you and now you are engaging in other diversion tactics attempting to make this about me, when you are conjuring up all kinds of desires for power plays in your mind.. 

What is your bet?

I don't have any bet at this point, except maybe to bet that you will engage in any kind of diversion tactic(s) that you are able to in order to avoid responding to earlier questions that I had already legitimately put to you.

And how much you will pay me if you are wrong - Im happy with my stake.  Grin

I am not going to pay you anything, because you are coming off as a bit deranged and emotional.  If you settle down a bit, then maybe I might consider some kind of meaningful discussion, or maybe there are some other folks who want to discuss your bet with you, especially since you seem so inclined to want to bet and you are getting so worked up... Generally when people get so emotional and worked up, they will make dumb decisions, and so you are looking to get played, no?
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