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January 15, 2020, 07:30:00 PM
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looks like the SV pump has shot its bolt

glad I dumped near the top

i was busy last night and it took me a bit to find the paper wallet i had some split out bsv on. so i didnt dump it till this morning. was good enough for me though. i dont need the exact top, anywhere in the ballpark is fine by me.
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January 15, 2020, 07:37:46 PM
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Who are the chicks in the pic?
Craig Wright and Roger Ver.
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January 15, 2020, 07:38:50 PM


The girl on the left could be Kelly Loeffler, former CEO of Bakkt and now senator, or some TV host with a trend BCASH/BSV Grin
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January 15, 2020, 07:44:36 PM

Hm... and could the dark haired one be Meltem?
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January 15, 2020, 07:51:23 PM

You'll find the antipathy works both ways. Looks at all the zerohedge comments along the lines of "BTC is a scam. Just buy gold"

BTW, how was the Philippines trip?

Very relaxing. Thanks for asking Wink
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In fact I think almost contrary than you in the way that you start wanting to have some outside of the system when you do have enough inside the system.


I don't get it. Do you want to have more outside the system money first, then inside the system? Because that's exactly what I want.

If you want the opposite (inside first, outside later) , that's fine too but it is probably harder to have because they tax you first with this route. You have to get rich with the amount whatever they let you get away with.

In my way, I get rich first, then I decide what they get from me.

I want to have enough wealth inside the system and then as much as I can outside. Or a reasonable balance between the two. Which could be 50-50 or any other arbitrary amount after I have enough in both "worlds".

Why inside first? Because most of the good things I like need in-system money: Real estate, car, lifestyle (yes, if your spending lifestyle is very apart from your official income / net worth that could get you into trouble).

Money outside the system is only useful as a backup in case everything falls apart. Or for survival (food, clothes, basic shelter, small daily expenses, etc).

Taxes? Well, yeah, who likes them... but living outside of the system can be even more costly than taxes, ie: rent instead of owning/mortgage home, etc...

Also, if you manage to reach a few millions wealth completely out of the system without an official similar wealth... Good luck converting that into a healthy balance afterwards. It is not that easy, and anyways very costly.

My aim? Having a good balance between the two as both have its pros and cons.
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January 15, 2020, 07:57:18 PM

You got out before the volcano's first eruption? (The first one is steam only with ash, the second one, still hasn't happened, but may still happen ...)
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January 15, 2020, 08:04:15 PM

Is that muscled boomer... Peter Schiff? Basturd. How dare you do that to samson!
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January 15, 2020, 08:06:58 PM

What did you dream?

Its OK we told you what to dream!





We've taken care of everything



the books you read



the songs you sing



the pictures that give pleasure to your eye
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January 15, 2020, 08:15:42 PM

UPDATE: In a new filing Tuesday, Ira Kleiman's attorneys said Craig Wright produced more than 16,000 bitcoin addresses but no information about the bonded courier, who the plaintiffs wish to depose.
https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/1217250185690128389?s=20

LATEST: In a new filing, Craig Wright says he received the necessary information to unencrypt the so-called “Tulip Trust.”
https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/1217233377738264578?s=20

Always lies and lies, sell off following soon?

ROFL I just don't know how the courts don't tire of his shit and just throw him out on his ass. Total farce

I don't know if the court has any kind of dilemma about locking him up.   Of course, there could be some concerns that his ability to earn money is reduced if locked up, but if it is just a matter of getting access to capital / value that CSW claims that he already has, then there might be a preference to lock him up until he turns it over, especially because the court has already ruled that Wright has been engaging in fraud, so it should not take much more to employ more severe mechanisms to attempt to enforce compliance and to put some dampening upon those who believe that the courts can be used in the ways that CSW has been attempting to use them.  Maybe one problem is that CSW is a defendant rather than a plaintiff, so in that regard the court likely gives more latitude to defendants, since they did not initiate the lawsuit.
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January 15, 2020, 08:26:48 PM
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Land is pretty crap actually.


Bitcoiner should avoid maximalist attitude, its harmful in many ways similar to monolithic religion.

You live on land or fiat or Bitcoin?


Let's make it simple: I don't like governments. I don't really want to be governed at all.

What I like is unconfiscatable sound money.
Very enlightened answer. Let's boycott government and starting with internet. They invented this, Agree?

You can't completely live a government-free life obviously but you can get close.

Why do you think they are trying to ban every anonymous payment method there is? (like cash)

I am not saying we should kill the politicians. I am again, hedging my position. Because that's my main algorithm in life. Always hedge. Fuck zerohedge.

Good to see you are changing goal post, i don't mind that. Actually i was expecting the same.
Anyway for the record, government is essential part of the society without them we are fucked if anyone disagree then i am ready to argue all night. Even the guy droping you merits or even jjg . Tongue

And in any case if you really know what's the problem with the government. Why don't you try to change it ? But yeah bitching about something is free, we don't need any spine for that and trying to change something takes shitload amount of work.

Let me break a bubble for you. every one can live their own life without gov but it takes hard work and tones of sacrifice, which none of us here in WO are capable of atleast in longer run.

About why they are banning : gov or human civilization is scared about anything which is new to them so no brainer. It might be helpful if we can look at all case as chessboard or may be read human history in details.

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January 15, 2020, 08:29:54 PM

Kenzawak is a strange case.... cause I think we all liked him a lot as a fellow member, and if he was hacked or whatever and really couldn’t solve the problem then he always could (not very fun) create a new account and I think members of the WO would easily help him out merit a bit more often etc en help him build his account back up.... though it is very pity cause he was an very cool dude  

For toxic, I think jojo has some talking with him from time to time and said his alright (if I’m right)

But I would like to see some toxic charts again Wink

Also Bones261 is long time no seen in the WO.....

kenzawak was a cool guy but he fucked up a few times sharing too much personal info.
I remember him posting a couple of screenshots that literally had his name in a minimised browser tab & his email.

I hope he’s OK but he was very lapse with his OpSec.
He was obviously a sitting duck to hackers.

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Last Active: November 10, 2019, 08:31:08 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=452769

Also, hope he’s ok too!

There had been some theories about kenzawak being an "inside job," so how can we know for sure?

What I am saying is that we do not know members well enough to know if they are engaging in faulty opsec on purpose or if they were a victim.

In the end, really difficult to know these things.
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January 15, 2020, 08:30:51 PM

I am not in the debate mood. I leave you to JJG.

Imma sleepy.

I am sure when I wake up in the morning I'll see at least 5 new WO pages.

Fuck the governments, good night.
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January 15, 2020, 08:36:47 PM

There had been some theories about kenzawak being an "inside job," so how can we know for sure?

What I am saying is that we do not know members well enough to know if they are engaging in faulty opsec on purpose or if they were a victim.

In the end, really difficult to know these things.

Yeah I guess it’s important to keep some cards close to your chest. You can let some things slip, OpSec wise but always good to keep your guard up.

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January 15, 2020, 08:50:52 PM

I love sideways/consolidation after a pump. This is fine.
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January 15, 2020, 08:54:38 PM

That's my bullish input for all you moon boys anyway.

Not going to win too many friends in these parts by referring to peeps here (and assumingly HODLers and accumulators) as moon boys.  But, hey, do what you feel that you must.

Sorry, that BTC prices are moving against your anticipations  Cry...... Not really. Tongue

It's ok I'm not looking for friends, just to learn from others  Tongue You're right, it did go against how I anticipated though, not going to deny that  Wink
Lucky I didn't get rekt™ shorting really. Didn't realise moon boys was offensive though, I thought anyone who believes a $100K BTC is possible in the near future was a moon boy by default. We're all moon boys? Maybe men still get offended by being called boys I dunno, I forget to keep check of these things.
Maybe moon men would be more appropriate, but doesn't have the ring to it.


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Legend! Just put this on, waiting to see how it looks  Cool Joining the WO hat family thanks to xhomerx10  Cheesy
PS - JayJuanGee, will respond to you properly as appreciated your response, was meant to merit your post but hat to merit the hat  Tongue
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The document produced by Craig is simply a list of 16,404 addresses. Craig, however, did not provide any information on the bounded courier, the company he/she worked for, when he/she came, or the message delivered.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.377.0.pdf

 Cheesy now he's just trolling the court! Lets see them addresses!

Shortly after Judge Reinhart issued this Order, on September 11, 2019, the parties reached
an agreement in principle to settle the case. Discovery was abated for nearly two months as the
parties worked together to document their agreement. Then, on October 30, and without warning,
Plaintiffs were informed Craig could no longer finance the settlement
, and that he was terminating
the settlement efforts.



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yep tl;dr
Faketoshi-let's settle i got this dude with big pockets
Kleiman-OK
Ayre-Ohh i wanted to settle but i investigated and found out that CSW is already my little bitch and i already own everything, oops silly me. good luck collecting on 50% of $0, i'm out
Kleiman-WTF you think we're idiots!?! Then lets drag you and nChain into the case, and see what Judge has to say about all this
Ayre-pooping his pants, and thinking how much more it'll cost him to settle

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I was NOT negotiating a settlement as I am not a party to the case...I was investigating the potential to buy the assets of the estate.
-Calvin Ayre @ https://twitter.com/calvinayre/status/1191324328278863872

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In August, a Florida magistrate issued a non-binding statement that Kleiman’s estate was entitled to 50% of the Bitcoin (BTC) mined by the Wright & Kleiman “partnership” up to December 31, 2013, as well as 50% of any intellectual property (IP) co-developed by Wright & Kleiman prior to Kleiman’s death in April 2013. There is no actual evidence of a partnership that could be found by lawyers researching on behalf of Ayre.

Following the statement, Ayre commenced good-faith negotiations to acquire the Kleiman estate based on public disclosures that the estate held valuable IP under U.S. law. Ayre’s attorneys have since determined that all of the IP claimed by the estate was created following Dave’s death and thus lies outside the scope of the non-binding statement.

Of the IP in question, Ayre’s attorneys concluded that the only IP on which Kleiman collaborated with Wright was the original Bitcoin code, which was released to the world as open source software in 2009.

-Calvin Ayre's blog @ https://coingeek.com/calvin-ayre-passes-on-buying-dave-kleiman-estate-because-it-holds-no-assets/

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...revealed the extent to which nChain’s Chairman
Stefan Matthews and nChain investor Calvin Ayre participated in facilitating Craig’s unlawful
taking of, and capitalizing on, W&K’s (and Dave Kleiman’s) intellectual property. 4 They have
also revealed that Nchain has acquired, with full knowledge of Plaintiffs potential claims, much of
the IP at issue in this case. Furthermore, new documents produced in mid-December 2019 show
that Craig signed a power of attorney agreement in August 2016 that gave nChain the power to
“take any steps or do any thing” that nChain “in its absolute discretion considers desirable in
connection with” the IP nChain purchased from Craig, including controlling any litigation over
the intellectual property at issue in this case.

Everyone knows that CSW is broke and is on Ayre's life support, CSW has no private keys so best Kleiman's lawyers can hope for is to annoy Ayre and nChain enough to at least get some settlement.
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January 15, 2020, 09:06:14 PM



LoL

So Ball tempering is not @bitserve's trade mark.....

... or Bawb's, official founder of BTC  (Ball Training Club).

In other words, titanium plates remain the original, and perfume and other spray inducements are inferior and lame imitation attempts. 

Not the first time that we have heard of those snake oil salesmen techniques in the bitcoin space.   Angry Angry
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I'm ready. Grin

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