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September 24, 2020, 03:23:14 AM

Your passing this off as a matter of my insulting you is an evasive misdirection.

Not at all. By opening with an insult you instantly drain any desire I might have to read any further. It's actually that simple. So feel free to incorporate that tidbit into your future missives, or not; ultimately its up to you of course.

I do apologize to @Karartma1 for my crassness.

It's actually not too bad now. It's amazing how the absence of one buffoon can improve the atmosphere. Assuming you have BADecker on ignore.

I do, and I read a few threads there from time to time, but some of the topics remain severely depressing even w/o TS. Besides, at this stage in the game I'd just rather not know the political beliefs of people I otherwise hold in high regard for their contributions elsewhere.

How the fuck do you know what the filmmaker intended?

Well I don't. But what I do know is that covid-19 wasn't around in 1988.
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September 24, 2020, 04:09:00 AM

Updates from Brazil (Manaus) and Sweden.

Unexpected precious cost on human resources but Manaus likely reach the herd / community immunity. Sweden probably reaches what they have been looking for at beginning.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8760031/Expert-claims-Sweden-herd-immunity-coronavirus.html
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.16.20194787v1.full.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1026-x
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September 24, 2020, 04:53:16 AM
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My reply to nutildah is re-arranged in descending order of relevance to things other than a forum argument:

How the fuck do you know what the filmmaker intended?

Well I don't. But what I do know is that covid-19 wasn't around in 1988.

Cameraphones were not around in 1949; nonetheless, they are aptly described as handheld portable “telescreens”.  Allegories in literature ranging from Homeric poems to Shakespearean plays are regularly adapted to problems and scenarios specific to modernity.  Etc...

Moreover, the They Live adaptation was not directed at Covid.  It spoke to the reaction to Covid:  Whole societies throughout the world being essentially put under mass house-arrest, under a barrage of official propaganda.  Surely, concerns about mass coercion and manipulative control existed in 1988—and such things were indeed the essential subject addressed allegorically by the film in question.  This is not about Covid, qua Covid.

For more decades than you have probably been alive, some people have been warning that governments could exploit a crisis for tyrannical purposes.  Most people blew them off as “paranoid conspiracy theorists”.  You are blowing them off as paranoid conspiracy theorists when their erstwhile predictions have actually come true.  It is no longer a matter of arguing over potential future happenings:  It is denial of present reality.

—Unless you want to argue that there is nothing whatsoever tyrannical about mass lockdowns under the rubric of unlimited peremptory rule by “emergency” orders.  In that case, we have nothing whatsoever to discuss.

Your passing this off as a matter of my insulting you is an evasive misdirection.

Not at all. By opening with an insult you instantly drain any desire I might have to read any further. It's actually that simple. So feel free to incorporate that tidbit into your future missives, or not; ultimately its up to you of course.

Translation:  When you cannot argue substance, you argue form—and you try to flip everything on its head so as to make it look like you are taking the high road.  That is also intellectually dishonest.  I do not say that for the purpose of being insulting, but rather, as a concise and accurate description.

I do apologize to @Karartma1 for my crassness.

That’s nice of you, as to form.  In substance, you completely misinterpreted the post, and tried to link it to your American election—a matter of much less concern to the rest of the world than Americans would like to believe.



What we need is less fewer (edit: the pedant is must correct himself) arguments with American liberals who are currently whipped into a frenzy over their irrelevant election (which I was not the one to bring up here), and more Bitcoin porn.

By “we”, I mean “I”.

I have comedic licence to rip these cherry-picked misquotes out of context.
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So, which is it?  I hear that there is a rising financial starlet who wants to know if you can be swayed to assuage her loneliness by the vast amount of Bitcoin that she makes day-trading.

No, I am not trying to incite any offensive behaviour toward the individual in question.  My sensibilities as a gentleman would not allow such a thing!  Rather, I am trolling sirazimuth, who got upset over a post that SwayStar apparently just ignored.
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September 24, 2020, 05:14:52 AM
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Are you literally 12 years old, or thereabouts?

I do ask literally, not figuratively.  In the latter case, I should just ignore you.  In the former case, I should desist from discussing porn in front of you.  (Either-or.)


Edited for malapropisms and misplaced words that are uncharacteristic of me.  The same thing happened in my previous post.  I should take notice that arguing with idiots has no salutary effect on one’s own intelligence.
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The coming flu season will be the breaking point. Normal flu is less lethal during spring and summer so finger crossed how Covid behaves for the months ahead. You don't want to have people hanging on ventilators at the ICU's again.

Vaccine will be ready at the start of 2021 ore later during spring, it's also possible before 2021. All of them are in the 3th fase of testing.

I hope it will be a done deal in summer 2021 so i can enjoy major sports events like Euro football championship with mass gatherings drinking a glas of beer watching the games and of course seeing woman in tight orange football outfits lol.

The top 3 is still worrisome, i expect India to overtake U.S.A sooner ore later. Do not underestimate Covid-19 the danger is still there, stay save.

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September 24, 2020, 06:56:32 AM

@nutildah
Apologies accepted. Let's move on.

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You explained the sense of my original post better than I could possibly do. Only one thing to you as well: let's move on too. As you said this is the last place in the world to have an open debate regarding how the world is becoming a worst nightmare compared to those envisaged in 1984/Brave new world. Because, if you ask me, both Orwell and Huxley were right.
For the sake of respect for everyone else I will stop commenting those topics in this thread.
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The coming flu season will be the breaking point. Normal flu is less lethal during spring and summer so finger crossed how Covid behaves for the months ahead. You don't want to have people hanging on ventilators at the ICU's again.

Vaccine will be ready at the start of 2021 ore later during spring, it's also possible before 2021. All of them are in the 3th fase of testing.

I hope it will be a done deal in summer 2021 so i can enjoy major sports events like Euro football championship with mass gatherings drinking a glas of beer watching the games and of course seeing woman in tight orange football outfits again lol.

The top 3 is still worrisome, i expect India to overtake U.S.A sooner ore later. Do not underestimate Covid-19 the danger is still there, stay save.



It's about the initial infection's virus load the immune system has to cope with. This is, by research, the main factor for severeness of Covid19.
Secondary, how effective the individual immune system is working against viruses.
Additionally, the virus floats, bound to aerosols. Influenza is falling to the ground pretty quickly, compared to SARS-CoV-2.
Make your own judgement based on these factors.

Even worse, it seems that positive individuals without symptoms don't develop antibodies. I leave it up to research and science if most of these were false positives, but it seems kinda obvious. Otherwise: good bye, herd immunity.

I recognized that i started to get extremely fed up about "Corona" discussion in general. Not only the mask-defenders, also the weak conspiracy minded and selfish "we don't need the weak and old, so let em die"- type. Everything. It seems like constantly arguing is making everything social-related worse. And it sticks out of my ass already.
I couldn't eat as much as i'd like to vomit. I hope i can find my way out of this depressive episode soon, without being dependent on people becoming SANE again, if they ever were. But this time, with the flu season coming, it's likely going to boil up to the point where everybody hates everybody else. Or is it just me?

EDITed some minor things.
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For the sake of respect for everyone else I will stop commenting those topics in this thread.

Nah, you don't have to do that. It's a free forum. If any of us really get out of line infofront will smack us down.
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OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/23/fed-calls-for-more-fiscal-stimulus-market-analysts-on-whats-next.html

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Since when has it been that the Fed is now fkn begging Congress for more stimulus?!?! That is not and has never been their fkn mandate.

We have truly entered Banana Republic territory from a long time ago.
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The thing about CBs is that they don't work for the government or in the interest of the people. CBs work purely for the corporates, and more specifically the financial corporates. Yes CBs consult closely with government, but, that's only because there are many times when government and CBs interests align.

So, why is the FED begging congress? it's because they are worried about the corporates and they want inflation in an effort to help these corporates. Mandate is irrelevant, FED is breaking rules everywhere and they are 100% above the law, because they are one of the few pillars in our modern civilization, without them, shit falls apart.

Honestly, in this instance the FED is just being polite by asking for more stimulus. The wheels are in motion where the FED can do its own stimulus soon, which will give corporates even more power.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/loretta-mester-hints-fed-preparing-deposit-digital-dollars-directly-each-american

I suspect within the next decade the CBs power will rival the governments. Governments won't be able to do anything about it either. They'll be in a very rocky relationship that neither one can leave.
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@nutildah
Apologies accepted. Let's move on.

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You explained the sense of my original post better than I could possibly do. Only one thing to you as well: let's move on too. As you said this is the last place in the world to have an open debate regarding how the world is becoming a worst nightmare compared to those envisaged in 1984/Brave new world. Because, if you ask me, both Orwell and Huxley were right.
For the sake of respect for everyone else I will stop commenting those topics in this thread.
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I would not mind talking about king daddy, if any one here had heard about that?    Wink

Kind daddy bouncing between $10,138 and $10,350 in the past 12 hours.

Must have gotten some peeps bored that such price movements are not interesting enuff. 

Stick - poking continues.
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I am personally rooting for 20 -25 million to die from it from now til feb 1 2021.

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Well obviously covid is simply not as lethal an illness as the Spanish Flu, so you have to rejigger your extrapolation a bit to account for reduced lethality. I don't know what the actual numbers are off-hand but I'm sure some decent estimates are out there.



As far as everything else is concerned, I just think some people have fun believing they are the targets of a global conspiracy to keep them down. It somehow adds a sense of meaning to their lives if they can convince themselves they are fighting tyranny in the name of the greater good.


"This affects all of us man!"

The truth is far more boring and depressing perhaps, which is part of what makes it difficult to accept: nobody actually gives a shit about you, because you simply aren't important enough to care about.

Anti-maskers want to fight an enemy that they perceive to be threatening their God-given rights. Meanwhile what they are actually doing is fighting common sense.

Of course the law should be a bit more nuanced than that. I don't think you should have to wear a mask if you aren't in a public area around lots of strangers. But if you are, just have the common fucking courtesy to wear the mask.


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I would not mind talking about king daddy, if any one here had heard about that?    Wink

Kind daddy bouncing between $10,138 and $10,350 in the past 12 hours.

Must have gotten some peeps bored that such price movements are not interesting enuff. 

Stick - poking continues.

king corn? that lazy good for nuthin thing with the price that forever drifts between 10k-11k ish? my pet glonk is more active than bitcoin.

snooze fest.
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It's about the initial infection's virus load the immune system has to cope with. This is, by research, the main factor for severeness of Covid19.
Secondary, how effective the individual immune system is working against viruses.
Additionally, the virus floats, bound to aerosols. Influenza is falling to the ground pretty quickly, compared to SARS-CoV-2.
Make your own judgement based on these factors.

Based on my own observations the above is pretty much the best we know today.
I even think most of us have meanwhile had contact with the virus in very small loads in one form or another.

Even worse, it seems that positive individuals without symptoms don't develop antibodies. I leave it up to research and science if most of these were false positives, but it seems kinda obvious. Otherwise: good bye, herd immunity.

I have no medical background and I don't claim to know anything, but I do think this has a lot of implications to a possible vaccine too regarding how long it is effective and how much it is effective at all. With regard to this I recommend the below opinion piece that appeared a few days ago in NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/22/opinion/covid-vaccine-coronavirus.html

If you were to approve a coronavirus vaccine, would you approve one that you only knew protected people only from the most mild form of Covid-19, or one that would prevent its serious complications?

The answer is obvious. You would want to protect against the worst cases.

But that’s not how the companies testing three of the leading coronavirus vaccine candidates, Moderna, Pfizer and AstraZeneca, whose U.S. trial is on hold, are approaching the problem.
...

Then again, a vaccine that has to be administered again every year sounds like a great business opportunity and might explain for some of the enthusiasm that companies previously not being interested in vaccine business for this field now show.

I recognized that i started to get extremely fed up about "Corona" discussion in general. Not only the mask-defenders, also the weak conspiracy minded and selfish "we don't need the weak and old, so let em die"- type. Everything. It seems like constantly arguing is making everything social-related worse. And it sticks out of my ass already.
I couldn't eat as much as i'd like to vomit. I hope i can find my way out of this depressive episode soon, without being dependent on people becoming SANE again, if they ever were. But this time, with the flu season coming, it's likely going to boil up to the point where everybody hates everybody else. Or is it just me?

EDITed some minor things.

I see a lot of latent aggression, I witness this everywhere where people have to get along from groceries over bank counters to traffic. Never in my life I've seen so many unconcentrated and aggressive drivers on the streets (no matter on what kind of vehicles). I believe this is owed to the fact that we are not used so much to deal with unknown things and we actually still know literally nothing about that virus yet. Whenever some new fragment of knowledge appears, every side of the bespoken polarized parties tries to use it and make it fit for their agenda. It could well end up badly in things like wars and quickly escalating conflicts.
Also the tendency of mankind to solve complex problems with simple solutions doesn't help here, speak about about black and white vs scales of gray.

Since nobody asked, here is what I think could possibly happen:
Vaccines that protect you from infection and/or severly getting ill and which will give you live long immunity will not arrive in the next years.
I have more hopes that some drug will become available that helps in cases developing severe symptoms so that it won't end deadly. Meanwhile the virus could become less and less dangerous but even more contagious through the RedQueen effect caused by our increased hygiene, social distancing, masks, stay at home, etc. basically all we try to curfew it. My idea being that we catch and isolate the people with heavy symptoms quickly but those with no or very light symptoms will keep spreading it in office, family, pubs etc. So the less severe versions/mutation of Corona will prevail. This could result in the virus becoming more of a nuisance than the danger it is now as its ultimate goal is surviving and spreading.

It will probably become what AIDS was in the 80s, it will change our ways of socially interacting permanently and in a non-reversible way (though AIDS only affected one specific genital social interaction, Corona affects most of them).

Thinking positive and appreciating all the luxury (roof over your head, food on the table, being healthy, having somebody to love etc. and most importantly having some corn in your cold wallet) we - or most of us - have is more important than ever for not going totally bananas in these times.

I firmly believe that we have been so massively conditioned by our current system relying on ever-growing consumption, that wealth, life situations, buying power and everything we perceive as positive in our lifes can be expected to be constantly improving and expanding that we have troubles accepting when things develop in the other direction and we have no simple answers for it to get quickly back on our track growing our wealth and expanding our fun.

That said, I still think if we just needed to have a worldwide catastrophic "problem" in 2020, we actually got off lucky with this flu stuff. I bet a nuclear winter after China, Russia, USA lost their shit wouldn't be even half the fun of Corona. A small asteroid hitting earth (or even better breaking up in atmosphere and hitting multiple places) would make look Corona pale too. Even when thinking about a pandemic, it could be worse, think about Ebola, or even better some zombie virus (ok, I am getting of the rails here, but I for one still hope for a zombie apocalypse so that I can finally mount the gun turret on my cars roof).

Not playing down what we have right now, but trying to inspire/incite some "it could be much worse" positive thinking and group hugging desires..

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^ thanks, reading that helps a bit, indeed.
I'm just short on time, home alone with the kids just before cooking, i plan to reply in detail later on.

In the meantime, i read that researchers in berlin isolated three highly active antibodies (out of about 600) from covid patients for a possible passive vaccine (no complications).
They tested IV on rats and the results were that infected rats didn't suffer from severe outbreak and if given in advance to infection they developed no symptoms at all.
This would make much more sense than old fashioned vaccines with active vaccination, where the immune system has to develop antibodies by itself, and thus represents additional load on the system.
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Not playing down what we have right now, but trying to inspire/incite some "it could be much worse" positive thinking and group hugging desires..


+1 WosMerit

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~snip

...regularly adapted to problems and scenarios specific to modernity.  Etc...

~snip

I have comedic licence to rip these cherry-picked misquotes out of context.
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So, which is it?  

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 C'mon man.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whore

 An exposé on nullian hypocrisy will suffice.

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 An exposé on nullian hypocrisy will suffice.

Well, he did mention that he was trolling:

Rather, I am trolling sirazimuth, who got upset over a post that SwayStar apparently just ignored.



So, which is it? 

Both.

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That doesn't mean I exercise the oldest profession, but rather support it ... with donations. Roll Eyes

Of course, your question was rhetorical, but it would seem that some people like to hear it, hereby my answer to them.
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@nutildah
Apologies accepted. Let's move on.

@nullius
You explained the sense of my original post better than I could possibly do. Only one thing to you as well: let's move on too. As you said this is the last place in the world to have an open debate regarding how the world is becoming a worst nightmare compared to those envisaged in 1984/Brave new world. Because, if you ask me, both Orwell and Huxley were right.
For the sake of respect for everyone else I will stop commenting those topics in this thread.
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 Stephen King's status should also be elevated from fiction writer to prophet.

 

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