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[Ibian]

Downvoted the vid and closed it just from the way he looks and the first two seconds. What a fucking creep.

That's enlightened. Ignore the message because of the way the messenger looks, and the fact that in the first two seconds, he introduces himself by name?

You do realize who this is?

You actually can judge a book by its cover, you know? As with anything else, some people are good at it and some are so bad that they refuse to believe it's possible, but I seem to have become pretty good at it of late.

You do realize who this is? Other than 'CEO of Bitcoin Cash' - a title obviously created just to tweak idiots. Some semblance of his past accomplishments maybe?

He's a bcasher. Which fits with my general impression of him. That makes him, at best, a useful idiot.

Again. Enlightened. /s

Yes.

[bitserve]

scammers of cypherdoc/jbreher class

Exactly what do you assert I have done to scam anyone?

Pretend Bcash was a helpful and useful upgrade to Bitcoin instead of admitting it is a pre-mined (EDA) scam of the first order.  We don’t readily forget your fraud nor Peter R nor any other of your pals.

Let's unpack this. In what way is Bitcoin Cash a scam?

They tried to confuse investors saying it was *Bitcoin*, parasiting on the Bitcoin "branding" with bad faith.

Bullshit.

1) At this time the fork occurred, Bitcoin Cash had as legitimate a claim on the name 'Bitcoin' as did Bitcoin Segwit -- especially what with The Bitcoin Segwit Omnibus Changeset being the single greatest change ever perpetrated upon Bitcoin. Simply appending the 'Cash' modifier can be seen as a favor to the other fork.

2) While there may have been a couple isolated incidents of people confusing Bitcoin Cash with Bitcoin Segwit due to the shared 'Bitcoin' portion of the name, they are miniscule. There was no attempt to confuse. There was no bad faith.

3) The word 'Bitcoin' is not a trademark of Bitcoin Segwit, Bitcoin Core, Blockstream, or any other entity. There are no ownership rights to be stolen.

4) 'Parasiting' is a laughable charge. The Bitcoin Cash community reacted in the only manner available to them to do what was in their eye what was necessary to save Bitcoin.

1) Wrong. Bitcoin, following the established consensus rules set from the beginning, did an upgrade to Segwit. Some people, going AGAINST that consensus decided to create a fork with a bunch of UNconsensuated rules (like the difficulty change algo and bigger blocks) so it wasn't even some rogue people deciding to maintain the previous branch AGAINST the newly consesuated rules, BUT A COMPLETELY NEW AND DIFFERENT THING. <- The point here is, anyways, CONSENSUATED OR NOT, according to the pre-established rules.

2) The bad faith was in some prominent proponents of that unconsensuated rogue fork PUBLICLY INSISTING that it was "THE REAL BITCOIN". And don't make start on arguing about all the rest of statements like it was going to be the predominant chain, etc etc....

3) I was very prudent in chosing "branding" instead of BRAND, as I am well aware of the implications of both concepts.

4) Parasiting is exactly what hapenned here. I didn't even argue if it was or wasn't a trademark infringent, but an intentional malicious "parasiting" sure did happen. Also, there wasn't any need to "save" Bitcoin from anything. And even if there were, that was NOT the way to do it.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Why are we going over the same old BCash nonsense again?

[jbreher]

Its all about the stolen brand identity

By definition, it is impossible to steal something which is free to use. Indignance aside, you have no leg to stand on here.

and confusing innocents who are not privy to the closed door shenanigans that took place.

A vanishingly small number. And completely inadvertent. If you're gonna get involved in crypto without doing your due diligence, you're gonna have a bad time. No matter what particular coin.

[HairyMaclairy]

Won’t somebody think of the charts?

[jbreher]

He is not here to learn, he is only here to troll.

Neither. I am here to illuminate my point of view.

[Toxic2040]

Many many words...

+10 WOsMerits  

Somewhere back we where having a delightful conversation...its buried and half forgotten.  
*Hugs*   ....moving forward.

Really? Not one single joke about Rick being Dick?

If I make crude joke Arri...are you going to question peoples intelligence again?  



Could it be this way?



Should have a better idea at the close of todays candle.

GBG

[Ibian]

The bottom line is that if the wallet you use can't process pre-fork coins then it is not bitcoin. I don't see why anything more needs to be said on the topic.

[Deeyoh]

It's self evident what the consensus is just by looking at TX's.  Last BCash block had a total of 2 tx's. LOL.. 2 that's it. 2.    As opposed to the 13k tx's on Bitcoin.

[JayJuanGee]

scammers of cypherdoc/jbreher class

Exactly what do you assert I have done to scam anyone?

Pretend Bcash was a helpful and useful upgrade to Bitcoin instead of admitting it is a pre-mined (EDA) scam of the first order.  We don’t readily forget your fraud nor Peter R nor any other of your pals.

Let's unpack this. In what way is Bitcoin Cash a scam?

Hahahahaha go fuck yourself.  Bitcoin.com, EDA, Coinbase withholding, spam attacks, sock puppets,  massive paid social media campaigns, “Bcash is the real Bitcoin”.   I’m not going to spend all day spelling out the many and varied ways Bcash is a steaming fraud.  Now stop playing dumb and asking “innocent” questions and go back to r/BTC

What is "EDA"?  My brain is not converting this.

[HairyMaclairy]

Shorts continue to grow on a net basis.

[Arriemoller]

Many many words...

+10 WOsMerits  

Somewhere back we where having a delightful conversation...its buried and half forgotten.  
*Hugs*   ....moving forward.

Really? Not one single joke about Rick being Dick?

If I make crude joke Arri...are you going to question peoples intelligence again?  



Could it be this way?



Should have a better idea at the close of todays candle.

GBG

Actually I have never questioned the intelligence of anyone in this thread. But it's tempting sometimes.

[HairyMaclairy]

JJG:  we can talk about it later after the kids have gone to bed.

[jbreher]

scammers of cypherdoc/jbreher class

Exactly what do you assert I have done to scam anyone?

Pretend Bcash was a helpful and useful upgrade to Bitcoin instead of admitting it is a pre-mined (EDA) scam of the first order.  We don’t readily forget your fraud nor Peter R nor any other of your pals.

Let's unpack this. In what way is Bitcoin Cash a scam?

They tried to confuse investors saying it was *Bitcoin*, parasiting on the Bitcoin "branding" with bad faith.

Bullshit.

1) At this time the fork occurred, Bitcoin Cash had as legitimate a claim on the name 'Bitcoin' as did Bitcoin Segwit -- especially what with The Bitcoin Segwit Omnibus Changeset being the single greatest change ever perpetrated upon Bitcoin. Simply appending the 'Cash' modifier can be seen as a favor to the other fork.

2) While there may have been a couple isolated incidents of people confusing Bitcoin Cash with Bitcoin Segwit due to the shared 'Bitcoin' portion of the name, they are miniscule. There was no attempt to confuse. There was no bad faith.

3) The word 'Bitcoin' is not a trademark of Bitcoin Segwit, Bitcoin Core, Blockstream, or any other entity. There are no ownership rights to be stolen.

4) 'Parasiting' is a laughable charge. The Bitcoin Cash community reacted in the only manner available to them to do what was in their eye what was necessary to save Bitcoin.

1) Wrong. Bitcoin, following the established consensus rules set from the beginning, did an upgrade to Segwit. Some people, going AGAINST that consensus decided to create a fork with a bunch of UNconsensuated rules (like the difficulty change algo) so it wasn't even some rogue people deciding to maintain the previous branch AGAINST the newly consesuated rules, BUT A COMPLETELY NEW AND DIFFERENT THING. <- The point here is, anyways, CONSENSUATED OR NOT, according to the pre-established rules.

"They vote with their CPU proof-of-worker, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them. Any needed rules and incentives can be enforced with this consensus mechanism."
- S. Nakamoto

2) The bad faith was in some prominent proponents of that unconsensuated rogue fork PUBLICLY INSISTING that it was "THE REAL BITCOIN". And don't make start on arguing about all the rest of statements like it was going to be the predominant chain, etc etc....

At the time of the forks, Bitcoin Cash had every right to make that claim. It ceded that right when it was unable to gain a greater accumulated PoW. Not before that was demonstrated.

3) I was very prudent in chosing "branding" instead of BRAND, as I am well aware of the implications of both concepts.

Perhaps you can explain how you think there is any proprietary 'branding' violation here.

4) Parasiting is exactly what hapenned here. I didn't even argue if it was or wasn't a trademark infringent, but an intentional malicious "parasiting" sure did happen.

I would counter that Bitcoin Segwit has parasited upon Bitcoin in exactly the same manner.

[jbreher]

Why are we going over the same old BCash nonsense again?

Because Last of the V8s has publicly accused me of being a scammer. I challenged him/her to support the charge. And he/she has sat back while a predictable team of nattering nabobs of negativity have charged in to conflate that simple idea with a global 'but muh BCash is a scam!!!11!11!!!' mantra.

I would have been happy to just let sleeping dogs lie. But when accused of being a scammer, I am going to defend myself (as if I should even have to).

[Arriemoller]

Very very tempting.

[jbreher]

The bottom line is that if the wallet you use can't process pre-fork coins then it is not bitcoin.

Relevance?

[Ibian]

The bottom line is that if the wallet you use can't process pre-fork coins then it is not bitcoin.

Relevance?

Everyone who had coins before the fork.

Look we all see through you. Just fuck off.

[xhomerx10]

Downvoted the vid and closed it just from the way he looks and the first two seconds. What a fucking creep.

That's enlightened. Ignore the message because of the way the messenger looks, and the fact that in the first two seconds, he introduces himself by name?

You do realize who this is?

You actually can judge a book by its cover, you know? As with anything else, some people are good at it and some are so bad that they refuse to believe it's possible, but I seem to have become pretty good at it of late.

You do realize who this is? Other than 'CEO of Bitcoin Cash' - a title obviously created just to tweak idiots. Some semblance of his past accomplishments maybe?

 Well, it seems like he created a Wikipedia page for himself which could be considered an accomplishment.

 

 ...but it's rather self-serving.

  One thing I would like to know is if people have stopped calling him dick since he changed his name.  Based on the first few seconds of that video, his Wiki page and his BCash CEO letter,  ten bucks that says they did not.

[jbreher]

What is "EDA"?  My brain is not converting this.

I assume HairyMaclairy was referring to the Emergency Difficulty Adjustment.