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Question: Oct. 5 Closing Price:
$0 - 5 (3.5%)
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$8,500-$9,000 - 10 (7.1%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 13 (9.2%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 12 (8.5%)
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$10,500-$11,000 - 5 (3.5%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 2 (1.4%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 4 (2.8%)
>$12,000 - 17 (12.1%)
>$20,000 - 9 (6.4%)
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February 20, 2018, 12:05:09 AM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

Problem is that even if they wanted to meant those tokens to be shares that would make the SEC involved. So, currently, those just useless tokens with no representation of ownership.

The SEC will be involved and will bless it. It will all be fully legit.  

Blockchain makes it impossible to rehypothecate  (hmm, not quite the right term, but best I can come up with ATM), so it will not be embraced for equities until it is forced on them.  Ever tried to get a certificate for a stock you 'own'?  Since the broker sold it to 50 different people (number out of my ass) and never bought it in the first place, it is next to impossible.  But very, very profitable!  If I can make time for it, I'll try to dig up some of the articles on it.  Horrifying and fascinating at the same time...

Blockchain will be used for settlement not trading. So if you allow your cryptoshares to stay in your brokers’ account they may be lent without your permission.  Not your keys etc.  

Brokers (not exchanges) are most at threat of disruption.  At least until decentralized exchanges stop being a shit show. Then the revolution really kicks in and exchanges go the way of the dodo too.
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February 20, 2018, 12:17:41 AM

JJG:  we can talk about it later after the kids have gone to bed.


At the time of my post, I was having a brain fart (regarding EDA), and largely it was due to my not giving much of a ratt's ass about Bcash - but I figured it out after I saw it used in another post by another member who shall not be named.

Just for others EDA = Emergency Difficulty Adjustment  - which was not just a one time thing in Bcash, and it ended up in some kind of stupid-ass hardfork in Bcash in November 2017 to make further adjustments.. some of which was described in this October 31, 2017 article.

More importantly it allowed the Bcash team to premine Bcash under everyone’s noses.  The Bcash team likes to pretend this was an accident but they modeled it very carefully and the algorithm worked exactly as intended.  

Well we also know that the whole fucking Bcash thingie-ma-jiggie was a scam on several levels and a continued attack vector on bitcoin and provided an opportunity to perpetuate ASIC's boost based on insider access to the ASIC's boost technology, and remains somewhat questionable why anyone would go along with their being used to support bcash in any kind of way - but surely there could have been some neutral miners that were able to time some in and out profitable plays... but yeah, ultimately scamming on a variety of levels that also likely includes misleading newbies into NOT being able to differentiate snake oil from the real deal.
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February 20, 2018, 12:17:53 AM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

Problem is that even if they wanted to meant those tokens to be shares that would make the SEC involved. So, currently, those just useless tokens with no representation of ownership.

The SEC will be involved and will bless it. It will all be fully legit.  

Blockchain makes it impossible to rehypothecate  (hmm, not quite the right term, but best I can come up with ATM), so it will not be embraced for equities until it is forced on them.  Ever tried to get a certificate for a stock you 'own'?  Since the broker sold it to 50 different people (number out of my ass) and never bought it in the first place, it is next to impossible.  But very, very profitable!  If I can make time for it, I'll try to dig up some of the articles on it.  Horrifying and fascinating at the same time...

Blockchain will be used for settlement not trading. So if you allow your cryptoshares to stay in your brokers’ account they may be lent without your permission.  Not your keys etc.  

Brokers (not exchanges) are most at threat of disruption.  At least until decentralized exchanges stop being a shit show. Then the revolution really kicks in and exchanges go the way of the dodo too.
Just for clarification. You're saying that classic exchanges will go the way of the dodo, not decentralized ones, right?
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February 20, 2018, 12:18:54 AM

Attac!

Uh? We are discussing important things here. Don't try to distract us with price related shit.
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February 20, 2018, 12:23:33 AM

Over 11.4k now.  Oh the horror.. bear tears are the sweetest.  :
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February 20, 2018, 12:25:08 AM

Attac!

Uh? We are discussing important things here. Don't try to distract us with price related shit.

There is no bitcoin price, only Bitfinex fraud.  Whether they're just another rogue Gox 2.0, or if their fraud is sanctioned by the bankers with people like Goldman Sachs/ESF operating on their exchange to artificially rig the bitcoin price is the only question.  This is an exchange that naked shorted the halving, had the trade go against them, then they stole ALL customer funds afterwards and absolutely nothing happened to them.  Receiving zero punishment for such activity makes it kinda seem like they have TBTF banker involvement on their exchange.
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February 20, 2018, 12:28:06 AM

Please everybody, can we just stop responding to and quoting the annoying one!


Hahahahahaha..

You must feel good   because for once that is not you.

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Attac!

Uh? We are discussing important things here. Don't try to distract us with price related shit.

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February 20, 2018, 12:34:06 AM

How is that $2.2 billion Tether audit at Scamfinex going, guys?
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February 20, 2018, 12:41:38 AM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

Problem is that even if they wanted to meant those tokens to be shares that would make the SEC involved. So, currently, those just useless tokens with no representation of ownership.

The SEC will be involved and will bless it. It will all be fully legit.  

Blockchain makes it impossible to rehypothecate  (hmm, not quite the right term, but best I can come up with ATM), so it will not be embraced for equities until it is forced on them.  Ever tried to get a certificate for a stock you 'own'?  Since the broker sold it to 50 different people (number out of my ass) and never bought it in the first place, it is next to impossible.  But very, very profitable!  If I can make time for it, I'll try to dig up some of the articles on it.  Horrifying and fascinating at the same time...

Blockchain will be used for settlement not trading. So if you allow your cryptoshares to stay in your brokers’ account they may be lent without your permission.  Not your keys etc.  

Brokers (not exchanges) are most at threat of disruption.  At least until decentralized exchanges stop being a shit show. Then the revolution really kicks in and exchanges go the way of the dodo too.
Just for clarification. You're saying that classic exchanges will go the way of the dodo, not decentralized ones, right?

Correct.  Sorry for not being more clear.  
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February 20, 2018, 12:49:01 AM

Congratulations to all hodlers!
I declare this train is in remote control to the moon.
 Kiss Kiss Kiss
Thank you big guys and whales.
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February 20, 2018, 12:59:04 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149230;sa=showPosts
TERA's old account is in use again. stolen?
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Just for clarification. You're saying that classic exchanges will go the way of the dodo, not decentralized ones, right?

Correct.  Sorry for not being more clear.  
Don't worry about it. Just making sure I'm still up to date with the latest developments.
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You know something is up when I agree with Ibian. 

Yeah.. he's been kind of on a roll, and I had to sink so far as to send him a merit....

We are going to be in more of an alice in wonderland situation if Roach starts making any sense.
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Look like so. Let's see:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2418103.msg30650970#msg30650970
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holy shit! r u really doing 850Ths?
Got some pics of your rig?
How long have you been doing it?
How much $ is your power?
Whats your ambient temp?
Do you use server PSUs? Do you have custom PSU looms?

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February 20, 2018, 01:16:32 AM

Shorts are gonna get rekt soon.
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February 20, 2018, 01:19:06 AM

Blockchain makes it impossible to rehypothecate  (hmm, not quite the right term, but best I can come up with ATM), so it will not be embraced for equities until it is forced on them.  Ever tried to get a certificate for a stock you 'own'?  Since the broker sold it to 50 different people (number out of my ass) and never bought it in the first place, it is next to impossible.  But very, very profitable!  If I can make time for it, I'll try to dig up some of the articles on it.  Horrifying and fascinating at the same time...

precisely

The current system is a house of cards that have been dipped in gasoline, teetering over the edge of a volcano.

I feel sorry for people that think they own stocks.

Actual, provable, ownership is what crypto is all about.
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