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[bitserve]

This is getting weird fast. I knew I would probably regret sharing my experience.

Tomorrow I need to do more outdoors work... but this time I will be getting a PREVENTIVE treatment in the morning.. #cozIamSmart

Good night everyone!

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[RoomBot]

Time for an intervention!

[DaRude]

New poll should be, if CSW starts suing the trust for keys to the stash, since he has his own chain would you support freezing Satoshi coins on the BTC chain.

What trust? Nobody knows who has Satoshi's keys or even if they still exist.

That's the only way i can explain their move. There's no money in CSWs defamation of character lawsuits, and we all know some Judge's ruling in some jurisdiction won't do much to anonymous comments on the internet. But there is also no way a trustee would distribute any funds if identity of the beneficiary is being challenged. Establishing identity during distribution would be exponentially more difficult with more challengers because the stakes are that much higher, but if he can get some low level Judge to "establish" the identity of Satoshi before that it would potentially pave the way to unchallenged distribution (or make challenging it that much harder). Of course billionairs being retards and burning millions for no logical reason whatsoever would be the best case scenario, but it'd would be really dumb to not plan for contingencies.

-McAffe stated on twitter that Satoshi still has access to the stash
-Ayre is hinting that CSW might be a group of 3
-CSW managed to bamboozle Gavin, and managed to convince Ayre to bankroll his cause

[DaRude]

New poll should be, if CSW starts suing the trust for keys to the stash, since he has his own chain would you support freezing Satoshi coins on the BTC chain.

No.

I can't stand CSW, I would be deeply saddened if he actually had ANYTHING to do with BTC, which I think he has not.  I think it is a very small chance that he could possibly end up with satoshi's private keys.

But if he did...

We would HAVE TO allow him to do as he pleases with them.  It would do terrible damage to BTC, and the crypto space as a whole.  It would likely set back BTC by 10+ years.

But forking away value on the blockchain is a central bank move.  WE CANNOT DO IT.

Regardless of how you feel about him, if he has access to the private keys he has the coins. But at this stage it's pretty obvious that he doens't have the keys, the problem comes from some  judge deciding that he's Satoshi and ordering the trust to hand the keys to him (or allocating a chunk to him)

[gentlemand]

-McAffe stated on twitter that Satoshi still has access to the stash

My guess is that Mr. Mcafee's reveal hinted at this week will be Satoshi as himself and then he'll tell us that you're Satoshi too and then we'll feel all warm inside and that.

Why he would have a clue who he is is beyond me. By 2009 he was well into his jungle freak phase and before that it was yoga and microlights for many years. And if he did have the vaguest hint why did he not pile in in 2009/10/11/12/13 and more? By the time he arrived Satoshi was long gone and no one else has ever claimed to know. I can't see anyone cheerfully telling him over a line of drain cleaner a few years down the road.

Regardless of how you feel about him, if he has access to the private keys he has the coins. But at this stage it's pretty obvious that he doens't have the keys, the problem comes from some  judge deciding that he's Satoshi and ordering the trust to hand the keys to him (or allocating a chunk to him)

I don't know or care what the endgame is but there's no evidence of this trust either.

[DaRude]

-McAffe stated on twitter that Satoshi still has access to the stash

My guess is that Mr. Mcafee's reveal hinted at this week will be Satoshi as himself and then he'll tell us that you're Satoshi too and then we'll feel all warm inside and that.

Why he would have a clue who he is is beyond me. By 2009 he was well into his jungle freak phase and before that it was yoga and microlights for many years. And if he did have the vaguest hint why did he not pile in in 2009/10/11/12/13 and more? By the time he arrived Satoshi was long gone and no one else has ever claimed to know. I can't see anyone cheerfully telling him over a line of drain cleaner a few years down the road.

Regardless of how you feel about him, if he has access to the private keys he has the coins. But at this stage it's pretty obvious that he doens't have the keys, the problem comes from some  judge deciding that he's Satoshi and ordering the trust to hand the keys to him (or allocating a chunk to him)

I don't know or care what the endgame is but there's no evidence of this trust either.

CSW been claiming that the keys are in that Tulip Trading Trust not to be distributed before 1/1/2020. It's just too much of a coincidence that he's starting his lawsuit on establishing himself as Satoshi now.

[Searing]

-McAffe stated on twitter that Satoshi still has access to the stash

My guess is that Mr. Mcafee's reveal hinted at this week will be Satoshi as himself and then he'll tell us that you're Satoshi too and then we'll feel all warm inside and that.

Why he would have a clue who he is is beyond me. By 2009 he was well into his jungle freak phase and before that it was yoga and microlights for many years. And if he did have the vaguest hint why did he not pile in in 2009/10/11/12/13 and more? By the time he arrived Satoshi was long gone and no one else has ever claimed to know. I can't see anyone cheerfully telling him over a line of drain cleaner a few years down the road.

Regardless of how you feel about him, if he has access to the private keys he has the coins. But at this stage it's pretty obvious that he doens't have the keys, the problem comes from some  judge deciding that he's Satoshi and ordering the trust to hand the keys to him (or allocating a chunk to him)

I don't know or care what the endgame is but there's no evidence of this trust either.

CSW been claiming that the keys are in that Tulip Trading Trust not to be distributed before 1/1/2020. It's just too much of a coincidence that he's starting his lawsuit on establishing himself as Satoshi now.

yeah....the 3 theory with Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney as the other 2 in the group (who have passed) ...my worst nightmare is he is right and they did put all the 'test coins' into
a tulip trust, that the last man standing can access. Jan 1st, 2020...being the weak link of the trio and the last man standing..that is the nightmare scenario to me (1 out of 50 chance of true IMHO) ...so if Craig Wright does get access to all that BTC he could play the same game as Bitcoin Cash and  crash BTC into BSV or some other silliness if he drove the price down enough on selling massively..it would make the 'tulip mania' of the middle ages look tame by comparison.

Anyway, like all 'nightmares' it is extremely unlikely, but still, if BTC was gonna go 'tulips' at this point in time, IMHO, it would take some classic unlikely event like this to do so...

Craig Wright as a 'black swan event' ...sh*t just scared myself (Again, 1-50 chance..but damn that would suck)

[infofront]

I'm getting caught up on the thread again.

I'm now educated about dick titty fungus, and how to treat it. Thanks you.

[bitserve]

I'm getting caught up on the thread again.

I'm now educated about dick titty fungus, and how to treat it. Thanks you.

Oh, thanks god you are back! The thread is being severely derailed... There's a bunch of people talking about some imaginary crypto thingy all over the place!

[DaRude]

-McAffe stated on twitter that Satoshi still has access to the stash

My guess is that Mr. Mcafee's reveal hinted at this week will be Satoshi as himself and then he'll tell us that you're Satoshi too and then we'll feel all warm inside and that.

Why he would have a clue who he is is beyond me. By 2009 he was well into his jungle freak phase and before that it was yoga and microlights for many years. And if he did have the vaguest hint why did he not pile in in 2009/10/11/12/13 and more? By the time he arrived Satoshi was long gone and no one else has ever claimed to know. I can't see anyone cheerfully telling him over a line of drain cleaner a few years down the road.

Regardless of how you feel about him, if he has access to the private keys he has the coins. But at this stage it's pretty obvious that he doens't have the keys, the problem comes from some  judge deciding that he's Satoshi and ordering the trust to hand the keys to him (or allocating a chunk to him)

I don't know or care what the endgame is but there's no evidence of this trust either.

CSW been claiming that the keys are in that Tulip Trading Trust not to be distributed before 1/1/2020. It's just too much of a coincidence that he's starting his lawsuit on establishing himself as Satoshi now.

yeah....the 3 theory with Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney as the other 2 in the group (who have passed) ...my worst nightmare is he is right and they did put all the 'test coins' into
a tulip trust, that the last man standing can access. Jan 1st, 2020...being the weak link of the trio and the last man standing..that is the nightmare scenario to me (1 out of 50 chance of true IMHO) ...so if Craig Wright does get access to all that BTC he could play the same game as Bitcoin Cash and  crash BTC into BSV or some other silliness if he drove the price down enough on selling massively..it would make the 'tulip mania' of the middle ages look tame by comparison.

Anyway, like all 'nightmares' it is extremely unlikely, but still, if BTC was gonna go 'tulips' at this point in time, IMHO, it would take some classic unlikely event like this to do so...

Craig Wright as a 'black swan event' ...sh*t just scared myself (Again, 1-50 chance..but damn that would suck)

I don't think that the last man standing idea would stand in courts, plus i doubt that Hal was even thinking of not being with us in 2020, not sure about Dave. If we follow that train of thought, the more likely case is CSW just "being in the room" thus why he needs to establish himself as Satoshi now so he can put a claim on all of the coins, rather than having them distributed to Dave's Hal's etc??? estates.

[Syke]

New poll should be, if CSW starts suing the trust for keys to the stash, since he has his own chain would you support freezing Satoshi coins on the BTC chain.

No, there is no reason ever to freeze coins.

[HairyMaclairy]

Are you lot really suggesting that Satoshi would give his keys to a trustee? 

Cmon guys you are better than that. 

[ssmc2]

I'm getting caught up on the thread again.

I'm now educated about dick titty fungus, and how to treat it. Thanks you.

I've never heard that nickname for CSW but it's fitting

[Lambie Slayer]

-McAffe stated on twitter that Satoshi still has access to the stash

My guess is that Mr. Mcafee's reveal hinted at this week will be Satoshi as himself and then he'll tell us that you're Satoshi too and then we'll feel all warm inside and that.

Why he would have a clue who he is is beyond me. By 2009 he was well into his jungle freak phase and before that it was yoga and microlights for many years. And if he did have the vaguest hint why did he not pile in in 2009/10/11/12/13 and more? By the time he arrived Satoshi was long gone and no one else has ever claimed to know. I can't see anyone cheerfully telling him over a line of drain cleaner a few years down the road.

Regardless of how you feel about him, if he has access to the private keys he has the coins. But at this stage it's pretty obvious that he doens't have the keys, the problem comes from some  judge deciding that he's Satoshi and ordering the trust to hand the keys to him (or allocating a chunk to him)

I don't know or care what the endgame is but there's no evidence of this trust either.

CSW been claiming that the keys are in that Tulip Trading Trust not to be distributed before 1/1/2020. It's just too much of a coincidence that he's starting his lawsuit on establishing himself as Satoshi now.

yeah....the 3 theory with Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney as the other 2 in the group (who have passed) ...my worst nightmare is he is right and they did put all the 'test coins' into
a tulip trust, that the last man standing can access. Jan 1st, 2020...being the weak link of the trio and the last man standing..that is the nightmare scenario to me (1 out of 50 chance of true IMHO) ...so if Craig Wright does get access to all that BTC he could play the same game as Bitcoin Cash and  crash BTC into BSV or some other silliness if he drove the price down enough on selling massively..it would make the 'tulip mania' of the middle ages look tame by comparison.

Anyway, like all 'nightmares' it is extremely unlikely, but still, if BTC was gonna go 'tulips' at this point in time, IMHO, it would take some classic unlikely event like this to do so...

Craig Wright as a 'black swan event' ...sh*t just scared myself (Again, 1-50 chance..but damn that would suck)

I believe the team of three theory is with Phillip James Wilson as the third member. He has offered a detailed and very long accounting of his involvement with the Satoshi group here http://vu.hn/bitcoin%20origins.html Ive read it in its entirety and find it much more plausible than any of the rantings of CSW. By Craigs admission to a reporter years ago he doesnt have a million coins bc he already spent his early coins years ago. No way a guy with that kind of ego would deny having a million coins if he really did have them. The simplest explanation for the million coins never moving is not bc Satoshi is the most humble and cheapest man to ever live with no care for money, its that Kleinman is dead, his keys are lost or encrypted, and dead men dont spend money.

[DaRude]

New poll should be, if CSW starts suing the trust for keys to the stash, since he has his own chain would you support freezing Satoshi coins on the BTC chain.

No, there is no reason ever to freeze coins.

You just reminded me of ETC so to answer my own question if that would to happen we would most definitely fork to a CSW with BTC1mil coins chain and Satoshi's frozen coins chain. In any case to escape this worst case scenario the CSW's I am Satoshi claims must be feverishly challenged now, as it might be too late when/if the keys turn out to be in the trust.

[Retina]

Good morning Wall Observer guy 

An Ascending triangle is governing support and resistance lines.

Support= 5070
Resistance= 5350


Bullish Scenario:

Weekly and Monthly resistance levels are sitting at the 5350 range. If we close a full daily candle above 5350. I would expect a measure move up to 5700. With another potential leg up to 6000.

Bearish Scenario:

If we close a full daily candle below 5070. I would anticipate a measure move to the 4500 range.
The rsi on the weekly has crossed the upper critical zone for the first time since 2017. The NVT signal is flashing red (sell) which has called every bitcoin top since its inception. Also we have been rejected now twice from the monthly and weekly moving averages.

Please keep in mind we are still on a down trend from 2017 until we break 6700. The bulls are creating a trade zone for us to choose a side. Longs are over leveraged 24k to shorts 19k. With a slow down turn in the altcoin momentum I would trade any leveraged moves cautiously.

[JSRAW]

Satoshi coins belongs to Satoshi. It's up to him whatever he wants to do with it. He can give it to anyone be it his granny or grandchildren or throw away all his keys it's his decision and freezing someone's coins is ridiculous thing to say.

That's another discussion,  if out of blue he starts to dump his coins on us which is very unlikely because he didn't touched his stash so far but if he does then arguably many of us fucked for sure.

And we can't blame him if he decides to dump his stash because at some point we all gonna sell our stash too.

[DaRude]

Satoshi coins belongs to Satoshi. It's up to him whatever he wants to do with it. He can give it to anyone be it his granny or grandchildren or throw away all his keys it's his decision and freezing someone's coins is ridiculous thing to say.

That's another discussion,  if out of blue he starts to dump his coins on us which is very unlikely because he didn't touched his stash so far but if he does then arguably many of us fucked for sure.

And we can't blame him if he decides to dump his stash because at some point we all gonna sell our stash too.

You're missing the point. If Craig has the private keys he's free to spend them as he wishes regardless of who he is. The problem arises if Satoshi was Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney...and ?? locking the keys in the trust, and now CSW trying to establish himself as Satoshi so later he could get his hands on those keys unchallenged, since you know dead men don't talk.

[jojo69]

at some point we all gonna sell our stash too.

speak for yourself



I wonder if there is some way I can take out a life insurance policy on CSW

[slocker]

I believe the team of three theory is with Phillip James Wilson as the third member. He has offered a detailed and very long accounting of his involvement with the Satoshi group here http://vu.hn/bitcoin%20origins.html Ive read it in its entirety and find it much more plausible than any of the rantings of CSW. By Craigs admission to a reporter years ago he doesnt have a million coins bc he already spent his early coins years ago. No way a guy with that kind of ego would deny having a million coins if he really did have them. The simplest explanation for the million coins never moving is not bc Satoshi is the most humble and cheapest man to ever live with no care for money, its that Kleinman is dead, his keys are lost or encrypted, and dead men dont spend money.

I dont think that keys are lost someone has to have them. Maybe funds are divided on separate account or addresses and several people have keys for them but to be lost it little hard to believe. In that case many hackers will try to steal them in any way possible. Keys are here probably but question is this who have them now.