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April 15, 2019, 03:13:17 PM

Neither Nadia nor I are suicidal. We would never in our wildest dreams commit suicide.

fuck me

he is worried they are going to assassinate him

I think he will be fine... but I certainly understand the fear.
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April 15, 2019, 03:13:27 PM

This is less than an hour old.

 Statement from Chad Elwartowski:

PLEASE SHARE THIS POST OUR LIVES DEPEND ON IT

This is ridiculous. We lived on a floating house boat for a few weeks and now Thailand wants us killed.

We had to go underground because our contact warned us before this came out. Now we found out they are using a US submarine to hunt us. I'll say it right here.

Nadia and I did not design, construct or pay to have the seastead constructed. We promoted it and lived on it. We helped out by giving the builder updates and we participated in the launch. We did not decide where to put the seastead. We are enthusiastic supporters of the project who were lucky enough to be the first ones to stay on it.

Hunting us down to our death is just plain stupid and highlights exactly the reason someone would be willing to go out in middle of the ocean to get away from governments.

We never had any ill intentions and I even state plainly several times that I would not want to be a citizen of any seastead nation that would have me. We were hoping to bring tourism to Phuket with an underwater restaurant, floating hotels and medical research, tech jobs, etc. We had 3 wealthy entrepreneurs in the past week tell us they were coming to live in Phuket because they were excited about the project. We love Thailand. Nadia is a proud Thai. She is a proud Buddhist who does not support violence. I am a pacifist who would not harm a fly.

What we need:

Lawyers or anyone high up in the administration in Thailand to talk some sense into your military leaders.

Someone high up in the US that can help. I need to be able to go to the US embassy in Bangkok or some place near Phuket to get me out of the country. I need ideas for helping Nadia, a Thai citizen. She needs an embassy in Bangkok where she can seek asylum.

Nadia is just my girlfriend. She played no role in planning anything with the seastead. She just took video and stayed on the seastead with me. E-mail me at elwartowski@protonmail . com if you can help (not just suggestions...serious help).

Neither Nadia nor I are suicidal. We would never in our wildest dreams commit suicide. I want to live to the ripe age of at least 200. I love life. We love life together. We just wanted to be free. If just for one day.
Going to break etiquette and essentially bump my own post to the newest page.

Elwar is one of our own and I want to make sure people see his post and help if they can or at the very least know that he is for the moment being safe.
Screw etiquette, I almost missed this post.
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April 15, 2019, 03:14:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26LDWnM7qe4

6:55

Craig claims that Bitcoin was not created to fix "the system", while Satoshi created Bitcoin as a reaction to the 2008 financial crisis.

His quote: "That's [debt and the debt crisis] not what Bitcoin helps with."

Every other time he opens his mouth he directly contradicts Satoshi.

What he has been doing has been obvious to me (I think) and this supports it.  He has been trying to romance the state.  He has been trying to make "bitcoin" something that the state and the CBs could embrace.

He is a fool.
It's not just obvious, they actually stated precisely that in one of their Coingeek conferences.


^
Well, I read a lot about Hal Finney and I do not remember seeing him before.
In any case, it seems very good, we do not know what awaits us from science in the future.
One day he will come back from the dead and sign the message just to bring clarity for posteriority. Of course it won't matter to Bitcoin itself at that point, but it will be nice to know regardless. And then we'll have Satoshi vs CSW movies.

We have to start a cryogenization business, it's the future. Cool
I'll leave that to the smart people already working on it. A few years down the road I might throw some money at the problem after talking to proponents and critics of the matter in great length. But for now my main occupation is multiplying my Bitcoin stash. The more I can get now the more I can throw at moonshots like those.

I hope other Bitcoin OGs will be funding all sorts of insane ventures as well once we close in on 7 digits. We need more people like Musk in the world.
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April 15, 2019, 03:14:36 PM

Binance has now delisted BSV... officially! Let's see how far the decline goes...  Grin

Good!
Hopefully CW ends up selling his ass for 60 bucks a night in a cheap Motel to put food in his lying, arrogant gut.

I can’t wait to see the down fall of that oxygen thief.

Man.. that raggedy old thing couldn't be worth $60 could it?  Bob?  Someone who would have an opinion?

I would say ask JJG but it’s not Thursday yet Wink
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April 15, 2019, 03:18:58 PM
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I would say ask JJG but it’s not Thursday yet Wink

I think it's superb myself. Craig Wright the well known liar paid for my 4K TV and a trip to the IoM TT this year. Guess I'd better spunk the rest.
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April 15, 2019, 03:20:15 PM

I would say ask JJG but it’s not Thursday yet Wink

I think it's superb myself. Craig Wright the well known liar paid for my 4K TV and a trip to the IoM TT this year. Guess I'd better spunk the rest.

I didn’t get any SV. I spunked all my BCH & lived like a King for about 12 months. Had to reign it in now though sadly, no more free money Cheesy
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April 15, 2019, 03:23:19 PM

I gotta say... this would be an unbiased poll.  Not here... not Twitter.  Shows the "support" for CSW and BSV clearly.

This is the button right after the "We are delisting' article on the Binance site:


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probably everyone will know this ...

And the explaining why you should change the pick...

But still like the reasoning of it Smiley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
The real answer is a triple rail drift.

Edit:
But still like the reasoning of it Smiley

What if I'm looking to eliminate the maximum amount of people, because this planet is being raped of its resources ? Are you saying I should keep my original position, and not flip the switch ? Or should I flip the switch, which will lead to my goal of eliminating the most number of people Huh

Edit: RE: Poll, I blew the last one voting for $4,200, but was happy to be wrong with having us blast to $5k. Voted "No" in the current poll. Feel it is likely we won't ever see it dropping below $3k. Touching the $3k's ? Maybe, but gut bacteria says the $3,000's are behind us.
Resources are energy and energy is unlimited. We just need to stop being such fucking retards and git gud.


Edit2:
I saw a video where the father recreated the problem with toys for his son. The kid only hesitated for a second, then moved one little guy next to other five, and rammed the toy train over all six. Makes sense. Smiley
I need that video.
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April 15, 2019, 03:28:18 PM

indeed

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April 15, 2019, 03:34:24 PM

indeed




Not sure this argument has the same validity as of 53 minutes ago.

I am not here to defend CZ, and I do not use Binance.  But I would expect many here would cheer him on for being the one large (semi reputable) site that actually does not lick the boots of the state.

That said business is business.  And who is he to judge what "coin" someone wants to buy.  And delisting a coin will have political repercussions including threatening letters signed by 5 year old with crayon possibly.

But he made a fairly swift decision IMHO.
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April 15, 2019, 03:42:50 PM

Satoshi clearly knew and understood that because Bitcoin is open source and anyone can clone or fork Bitcoin, and anyone can create unlimited number of new coins at will, then the dominance of one form of digital open source money/Gold 2.0 would be decided in the court of public opinion. Not through censorship of Bitcoin's competitors.

So it all comes down to belief/popularity contest of what form of open source digital money should be dominant, with participants basing reason to purchase and use based on sum total of philosophy/moral/ethical/guiding principles, intent of dev team, attributes (security, decentralization, etc., etc.), and growth through usage (via popularity with exchanges, brokers, users, merchants, investors, etc).

And yes BSV is a scam and Craig Wright is a fraud. But that is for the public to decide.
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April 15, 2019, 03:53:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26LDWnM7qe4

6:55

Craig claims that Bitcoin was not created to fix "the system", while Satoshi created Bitcoin as a reaction to the 2008 financial crisis.

His quote: "That's [debt and the debt crisis] not what Bitcoin helps with."

Every other time he opens his mouth he directly contradicts Satoshi.

He fails to understand that once we will use currency that price will keep increasing in time taking debt will be extremely unpopular. There will be also little interest for people to offer debts. 
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April 15, 2019, 03:54:41 PM

Neither Nadia nor I are suicidal. We would never in our wildest dreams commit suicide.

fuck me

he is worried they are going to assassinate him
Time to get back to America as soon as humanly possible.
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April 15, 2019, 03:55:31 PM

Satoshi clearly knew and understood that because Bitcoin is open source and anyone can clone or fork Bitcoin, and anyone can create unlimited number of new coins at will, then the dominance of one form of digital open source money/Gold 2.0 would be decided in the court of public opinion. Not through censorship of Bitcoin's competitors.

So it all comes down to belief/popularity contest of what form of open source digital money should be dominant, with participants basing reason to purchase and use based on sum total of philosophy/moral/ethical/guiding principles, intent of dev team, attributes (security, decentralization, etc., etc.), and growth through usage (via popularity with exchanges, brokers, users, merchants, investors, etc).

And yes BSV is a scam and Craig Wright is a fraud. But that is for the public to decide.

I like your reasoned position.  Probably because I agree with it entirely.Smiley

Aire and Wright are taking a shot at being the new Rothschilds.  Aire is a gambler and Wright is a pathological liar.  For a while I almost began to wonder if one of them is the Antichrist.  They will not be the last to try.  This is a chance to run the world.  Thing is, the popularity contest, as I see it has an entrant that is not/can not be controlled by anyone and is going to win after it eviscerates everyone like CSW who comes after it.

One dark question I feel we face now is:  How much of a whale are either or both of these guys.  BTC whale that is.  Have they already done as much damage to BTC in their bid to pump BSV or will they do more?  The absolute NIGHTMARE scenario is CSW somehow got control over early keys.  But then... why no real proof?
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April 15, 2019, 04:06:19 PM

hurr durr

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April 15, 2019, 04:09:40 PM

Yet another Endowment fund invest in cryptocurrencies.


Harvard is Latest Major Institutional Investor in Cryptocurrency

https://insidebitcoins.com/news/harvard-is-latest-major-institutional-investor-in-cryptocurrency/220868


Executive Summary:
The investment was in a company called Blockcstack which sold 95.8 million Blockstack Tokens to Harvard Management along with two other investors. While Harvard’s share of the tokens is less than five million it does represent a significant institutional invest directly in blockchain tokens that are not traded openly in the way Ethereum, Bitcoin and XRP are.

Well, i have two considerations.

  • 1. How comes a reputed institution, where the sharpest mind are nurtured, decides to invest in something that is borderline with Scam?
     
  • 2. How comes an Endowment fund are so rich? Tuition fees are reinvested in the school or are meant to grow this mass of money that need to be put at work outside "the campus" . I am not from the U.S. s, so this puzzles me about the US educational system. If an endowment fund has 1% of all the bitcoin ever mined (quick back of the envelope calculations convert that in 1 Billion USD), whw students are gathering piles of debt to pay that?


Turns out that 94% of endowments funds are invested in crypto:
https://www.ccn.com/shock-survey-94-of-endowments-already-invested-in-crypto-industry

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Satoshi clearly knew and understood that because Bitcoin is open source and anyone can clone or fork Bitcoin, and anyone can create unlimited number of new coins at will, then the dominance of one form of digital open source money/Gold 2.0 would be decided in the court of public opinion. Not through censorship of Bitcoin's competitors.

So it all comes down to belief/popularity contest of what form of open source digital money should be dominant, with participants basing reason to purchase and use based on sum total of philosophy/moral/ethical/guiding principles, intent of dev team, attributes (security, decentralization, etc., etc.), and growth through usage (via popularity with exchanges, brokers, users, merchants, investors, etc).

And yes BSV is a scam and Craig Wright is a fraud. But that is for the public to decide.

I like your reasoned position.  Probably because I agree with it entirely.Smiley

Aire and Wright are taking a shot at being the new Rothschilds.  Aire is a gambler and Wright is a pathological liar.  For a while I almost began to wonder if one of them is the Antichrist.  They will not be the last to try.  This is a chance to run the world.  Thing is, the popularity contest, as I see it has an entrant that is not/can not be controlled by anyone and is going to win after it eviscerates everyone like CSW who comes after it.

One dark question I feel we face now is:  How much of a whale are either or both of these guys.  BTC whale that is.  Have they already done as much damage to BTC in their bid to pump BSV or will they do more?  The absolute NIGHTMARE scenario is CSW somehow got control over early keys.  But then... why no real proof?
They're touting that may 29 or so is when he proves he's Satoshi, if that douche had bought early keys and thought it was enough to prove it, he couldn't wait. No doubt about it, it would be posted today to defend SV.
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April 15, 2019, 04:15:15 PM

Good afternoon WO brothers!
BTC @ $5,138 and we are doing well I think.
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April 15, 2019, 04:16:29 PM

Neither Nadia nor I are suicidal. We would never in our wildest dreams commit suicide.

fuck me

he is worried they are going to assassinate him
Time to get back to America as soon as humanly possible.


Ditto...time to punt....make it a houseboat on some more a more hospitable country...any other country would be fine

with such a 'houseboat type' community of bitcoin whales...get what slack you can from someplace else. IMHO.

Also, always the problem with 'security'. There are pirates in those waters...may also make sense to make this more

a houseboat community in a cove of a friendly country then go it alone at this point..anyway I know squat and would be chicken

so my play.
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April 15, 2019, 04:17:19 PM

France Passes Bill to Allow Insurance Providers to Invest In Crypto & Tokens

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Known as “Plan d’action pour la croissance et la transformation des entreprises,” (Pacte) the act reportedly allows insurance providers in France to invest in cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin (BTC) with no limit on the amount of investment.

According FXStreet, a dual provision of the act enables insurers to invest in crypto through specialized professional funds, and allows them to offer life insurance policies exposed to crypto. The new measure will also impact professional capital investment funds.

Insurance endowments in crypto in unlimited quantity. Things that make you go 'hmmm'.
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