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April 21, 2019, 11:16:24 PM

Seasteading, ones dream.
Float, flee from goverments Will.
Elwar, carry on.
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April 21, 2019, 11:19:38 PM

Well it doesn’t look like anyone wants to advocate for children starving in the streets.  If you follow that through to its logical conclusion you end up with a system not dissimilar to the current system.

I don't think that you have even started to make the case that B is necessarily the outcome of A above.

After all, here in the good ol' US of A, we've have generations of so-called 'progressive' governmental meddling in how society need be structured in order to be compassionate for the 'have-nots' and the 'not-willing-to-lift-a-finger-to-get-its', and the result is actually larger and larger percentages of people living hardscrabble lives.

Surely, we have the evidence that doubling down by subsidizing the refuseniks will be most certainly counterproductive.
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April 21, 2019, 11:23:44 PM

Elwar, carry on.

It's easier said than done.

Elwar should just forget the stupid idea of seasteading for the rest of his life.
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April 21, 2019, 11:28:36 PM

I don't know about party affiliations but it seems to me that every citizen of a country should be given the exact same benefit of any social program. Managing any kind of rules requires an administrative burden. For each edge case or unique circumstance, there are 1000 administrative types in an office somewhere processing paperwork/requests/waivers. Make it universal or don't do it.

If we are giving welfare to one person, then we give it to every registered citizen. If that means everyone gets 500 a month, indexed for inflation, then that's what it means. Most of that monthly benefit would get pumped back into the economy and since fiat value is not based on anything really, the cost of the system could be calculated into the inflation of the USD and paid for by the FED rather than the US Government. The fed is going to stimulate the economy anyway, why not do it at the citizen level rather than the bank level? Call it the base cost of a having a population of citizens. Like oil revenues for Alaska residents. I mean, the country technically belongs to its citizens anyway, right?

A billionaire won't give a shit about that 500 a month and any soul who wants a better life for themselves is not going to settle for that either. The mentally ill will find someone to help them for that 500 and the people who refuse to work will have enough to deter them from committing petty crime for food (I mean they are too lazy to work and stealing takes work). People who are here illegally will not get it, so every citizen will have an immediate advantage over illegals.

So... UBI?

I must admit, you present a decent case for it. Best I've yet heard.

Certainly, injecting new money at the top was counterproductive. Well, if you assume that the goal was lifting the economic opportunity of those who have not yet benefited from that economy. Which, of course, was probably not the true goal of economic stimulus.
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April 21, 2019, 11:29:20 PM

Seasteading

I'm not sure what exactly his malfunction is, but I'm pretty sure I explained to him numerous times over the course of several years that no govt on earth is going to allow you to build a bunch floating trailer parks right off their shore. If he ONLY built ONE, they might have overlooked it, but he came right out of the gates talking about "Hey you stupid govts, I'm going to flood the entire coastline with floating trailer parks and there's not a damn thing you can do about it!  For I am Elwar, that guy from bitcoin!"
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April 21, 2019, 11:34:44 PM

Elwar, carry on.

It's easier said than done.

Elwar should just forget the stupid idea of seasteading for the rest of his life.

It was not stupid for him before the "issue", so probably it isn't either now. He should probably be more careful on the placement choice and his rhetoric in order to avoid being considered a "menace" (Huh) again.

Something not being our dream doesn't mean it isn't someone else one. If it is his he will probably keep pursuing it.... some adjustments needed to be safer though.

He already got a great story to tell. Not every day you got a nation claiming you were threatening their sovereignty lol

First thing first, let's just hope he is completely safe now or very soon. Let's just not speculate and wait until we hear directly from him.

My best wishes to them wherever they are.
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April 21, 2019, 11:39:42 PM

Great interview on the What Bitcoin Did podcast: https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/peter-rizuns-lightning-critique-fud-or-fair

I assume a number of you will summarily dismiss this, rushing to judgement before examining the evidence. But for the open-minded, certainly worth a listen.

I am truly looking forward to the necessitated responses from the LN-faithful. Well, to the extent that such responses be substantive. If this conversation carries forward in a respectful manner, we may all learn a thing or two.

edit: Incidentally, this has been 'Lightning Month' on What Bitcoin Did. Quite a few good installments, each focusing on a different aspect of Lightning.
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April 21, 2019, 11:43:45 PM

Elwar should just forget the stupid idea of seasteading for the rest of his life.
It was not stupid for him before the "issue"

WHY am I the only non-retarded person in this thread? WHY???  He fucked himself because instead of only building one floating death trap and being known as that insane guy that lives on a crab trap, he came right out of the gates letting his intentions be known that was going to attempt to place them all over the place like some type of nanotech, AI, doomsday scenario of tiny robots building an infinite number of paperclips to flood the entire planet with them.

One of those floating crab traps doesn't pose much of a problem, but a payload of tens, dozens, hundreds, thousands of them is tragedy of the commons out the ass with him attempting to offload those problems onto someone else to deal with besides himself.  It was a shitty zoning arbitrage attempt with a predictable result.
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April 21, 2019, 11:48:53 PM

I never thought it was dangerous or anything the seasteading, I don’t think its my life to live there, if it succeed and it was able to visit, Then I Will for sure....
Also I don’t think its a stupid idea, as we are all human and dream of different things.... Elwar’s dream is one difficult to achieve and need lot of thinking and work, such thing can only be supporter as its not harming anybody or causing problems to anybody.... There are not many among us with such idea’s and just say F*** it i’m just gonna do and try to realize that dream.
Of-course first be safe, the re-think everything and see what the best lotions are, but try to achieve your lifegoal Elwar so you can always look back and just say I did it Smiley  (as long you stay a COINER its all good for the WO) Grin
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April 21, 2019, 11:51:09 PM

Ssssssssssjjjj Roach it was so quiet whiteout you, I know mom was upset and cut of your internet connection, but damn she shouldn’t re-connect it back already.

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April 21, 2019, 11:52:25 PM

Also into HODL-Easter-sleep

Good night fellow BTC’ers/WO-members
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April 21, 2019, 11:55:26 PM



I'm a pretty liberal guy...but UBI just doesn't work.
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April 21, 2019, 11:58:00 PM

Keep accumulating during the bear markets & upgrading your level of sea life. Remember you have to start as a 'Plankton' before you become a 'Blue Whale'  Keep believing #Bitcoin will be the new financial paradigm. Your patience will be rewarded beyond your wildest imagination.

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April 22, 2019, 12:00:48 AM


It's not supposed to "work".  It's as I said, a stipend given to goyim slaves to then put enormous prerequistes on receiving it that includes full control over movement, spending, and everything else, segueing into full blown communism ala the Jewish bolshevik revolution that was used in Russia to murder 20+ million white Christians.  If people fully reject the Jewish helicopter money plan and communism, bankers will be FORCED to resolve the collapse of the debt bubble the actual valid way - remonetization/revaluation of gold and silver to the moon and anyone holding digital debt instruments gets left holding the bag with nothing.

The kikes are NOT going to be able to ban the 1st amendment or take the guns no matter what, so even with barely functional markets the price of gold and silver will be like $10k + $500 an ounce  respectively the second they try and implement this full blown communism/helicopter money garbage and metals revaluation will win out anyway in the end.
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April 22, 2019, 12:02:52 AM

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April 22, 2019, 12:10:40 AM

Elwar should just forget the stupid idea of seasteading for the rest of his life.
It was not stupid for him before the "issue"

WHY am I the only non-retarded person in this thread? WHY???

The real question is, why do you like to convince the retarded people all day? Are you really that retarded to realise that it's useless to convince the retarded people?  Huh
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April 22, 2019, 12:13:22 AM

Keep accumulating during the bear markets & upgrading your level of sea life. Remember you have to start as a 'Plankton' before you become a 'Blue Whale'  Keep believing #Bitcoin will be the new financial paradigm. Your patience will be rewarded beyond your wildest imagination.

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He mixed up a bunch of Classes.
Unsound from a biological/systematic point of view.
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April 22, 2019, 12:16:07 AM

Elwar should just forget the stupid idea of seasteading for the rest of his life.
It was not stupid for him before the "issue"

WHY am I the only non-retarded person in this thread? WHY???

The real question is, why do you like to convince the retarded people all day? Are you really that retarded to realise that it's useless to convince the retarded people?  Huh

The kikes are an evil, ethnocentric, collective cult.  They cannot be defeated alone.  Kikes want you to embrace the scam known as libertardianism and attempt to stand alone so they can easily defeat you by leveraging the power of their borg collective.  Standing together against the kikes is the only valid tactical proposition.  When that happens, they're a paper tiger easily exterminated.
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April 22, 2019, 12:41:03 AM

Oh FFS, I was kidding!

 Apologies, brother. Did not read the sarcasm.

 I am a bit troubled with the world today, owing to the unfortunate events in Sri Lanka.

Yeah, me too actually, I wish the muslims would just stop killing innocent people.
If they keep this up it will end very badly for them.

Wait, how are we so sure this is rightly directed towards the Muslim community?
Although I'm not part of a religion, I find it somewhat offensive to see people blindly pointing fingers.

I'd wager that Muslims didn't even have a hand in this.  What could be achieved by a small group of 'terrorists' hurting the public like this? Do they think they'd somehow gain power or control from it, No, not even a small chance!
Now ask the same question: What could be achieved by the 'government' or 'TPTB' sending fear into the public?
Very simple, fear=submission
Ii believe its all power and control tactics used by the state or a globalists agenda.
Seems way to coincidental the past few weeks of religious connected events. NZ, Notre-Dame, and now Sri Lanka.
Comon' Nobody slips on banannas.  
But, but the news said it was the muzlums.  
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April 22, 2019, 12:51:57 AM

my money would be on Tamil holdouts actually
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