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[JayJuanGee]

I have weak heart and confused mind so every stage looks trap to me and for me actual bull market starts from $15 k.

We breach psychological price barriers on the way up. I think $6,000 is one as that’s when we started to drop fast at the peak of the bear market, it was fucking horrible.

$8,000 is a big deal to me, I dunno why but it just seems like a big jump.

$10,000 is obviously a big sticking point, I think there will be people selling when we get there.

Then we have, as you say $15,000. The next one after that is a new ATH.

I’m not selling anything until north of $30,000 - $40,000.  

20k is the psychological barrier for me. I was just a noob 1.5 years ago (well I still am obviously) but I remember thinking "wow I made quite a lot with almost nothing... what if I had invested that amount of money instead of that one ?"... and now that I have (well not completely but it's getting there), I wanna know how much profit I can make with that... and then, I know that it won't stop until... well, the moon. Because at 20k or even 30k, I probably won't sell.

@JSRAW I know you heard it many times but I don't think it really matters what happens in the short term, if we get 5% or lose 5%... in a few years, we'll look back thinking how dumb we were worrying about a few hundred $.

If you been buying and accumulating BTC since late 2017, what is your average cost per BTC?  Approximately?  No need to dox yourself or screw up your opsec.. just give a kind of ballpark idea what you have been up to in the about past year and a half in regards to accumulating and buying BTC.

[realr0ach]

JayJuanGoyim, what is your opinion on the coming complete destruction of the neocon Jews and their servants fraudulently occupying US govt?  Will this be their greatest military blunder EVER?  Or will the human-pig hybrid Mike Pompeo who can't do more than 3 pushups without passing out while advocating for endless wars to be fought (just not by him) become the new VIP shabbos goyim kike servant of all time?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-24/pepe-escobar-war-iran-calling-americas-bluff

[dyask]

I have weak heart and confused mind so every stage looks trap to me and for me actual bull market starts from $15 k.

We breach psychological price barriers on the way up. I think $6,000 is one as that’s when we started to drop fast at the peak of the bear market, it was fucking horrible.

$8,000 is a big deal to me, I dunno why but it just seems like a big jump.

$10,000 is obviously a big sticking point, I think there will be people selling when we get there.

Then we have, as you say $15,000. The next one after that is a new ATH.

I’m not selling anything until north of $30,000 - $40,000.  

20k is the psychological barrier for me. I was just a noob 1.5 years ago (well I still am obviously) but I remember thinking "wow I made quite a lot with almost nothing... what if I had invested that amount of money instead of that one ?"... and now that I have (well not completely but it's getting there), I wanna know how much profit I can make with that... and then, I know that it won't stop until... well, the moon. Because at 20k or even 30k, I probably won't sell.

@JSRAW I know you heard it many times but I don't think it really matters what happens in the short term, if we get 5% or lose 5%... in a few years, we'll look back thinking how dumb we were worrying about a few hundred $.

If you been buying and accumulating BTC since late 2017, what is your average cost per BTC?  Approximately?  No need to dox yourself or screw up your opsec.. just give a kind of ballpark idea what you have been up to in the about past year and a half in regards to accumulating and buying BTC.

Thanks to all the scams, exchange failures, etc ... my cost is close to $20k (USD) per BTC. 

On the other hand ... I'm bit more aware these days, so I've avoided a lot of problems over the past year.   

If I had just been a holder my average cost would probably be around $200 (USD) per BTC.      There is a lesson in there somewhere.

[kenzawak]

I have weak heart and confused mind so every stage looks trap to me and for me actual bull market starts from $15 k.

We breach psychological price barriers on the way up. I think $6,000 is one as that’s when we started to drop fast at the peak of the bear market, it was fucking horrible.

$8,000 is a big deal to me, I dunno why but it just seems like a big jump.

$10,000 is obviously a big sticking point, I think there will be people selling when we get there.

Then we have, as you say $15,000. The next one after that is a new ATH.

I’m not selling anything until north of $30,000 - $40,000.  

20k is the psychological barrier for me. I was just a noob 1.5 years ago (well I still am obviously) but I remember thinking "wow I made quite a lot with almost nothing... what if I had invested that amount of money instead of that one ?"... and now that I have (well not completely but it's getting there), I wanna know how much profit I can make with that... and then, I know that it won't stop until... well, the moon. Because at 20k or even 30k, I probably won't sell.

@JSRAW I know you heard it many times but I don't think it really matters what happens in the short term, if we get 5% or lose 5%... in a few years, we'll look back thinking how dumb we were worrying about a few hundred $.

If you been buying and accumulating BTC since late 2017, what is your average cost per BTC?  Approximately?  No need to dox yourself or screw up your opsec.. just give a kind of ballpark idea what you have been up to in the about past year and a half in regards to accumulating and buying BTC.

I wouldn't know exactly.
At the beginning of 2018, I don't think I bought much. I was expecting a bounce which never happened. I was confident but still a bit worried. Noobie reaction I guess.
I probably needed to be reassured.
When I realized there would be no bounce for a while, I started investing again. I'd say the price was around 6,2 (we stayed there a while so I had time to think about it).
After the 6k drop, my profit % really tanked and that's when I invested much more.
I had a different attitude towards that crash, I knew it wasn't a big deal and actually saw it as an opportunity to accumulate.
So BTC was 3,5k / 4k. I could have bought more still.
Now I'm 96-99% sure that we've seen the bottom (yep I voted), I feel zero stress about where we're going short-term and every time I can buy, I do it. Passing 5k was a good confidence booster (that's probably when I bought the most, so that is recent). I guess reading this thread also helps with that confidence. I'm not waiting for another drop or anything. Whether I buy at 6 or at 5 doesn't matter much.

[jbreher]

They are in a scary part of the world for Westerners.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/priceonomics/2017/03/21/ranking-the-most-dangerous-countries-for-americans-to-visit/

That's a pretty odd use of the term 'per capita'. Which, of course, is defined as 'per each person'. How can we have 3.54 Americans killed for every American that visits Pakistan?

Per x100,000 capita.
Per x100,000 capita. It never ceases to amaze me how your troll senses are so keened on picking up any minute issue with the BTC, yet would fail to notice something obvious like SV scam even if CSW came in riding in on a tank which is positioned on the aircraft carrier with the word SCAM written on a side

Obviously. But that is not what is says now, is it?

That's not what i said either now is it? Just impressed by your Sherlock Holmes skills when you really want it. Take the damn compliment 

Haha. Compliment. Riiiiiight. Funny how you managed to drag SV and CSW into a branch of the thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with them. Twice.

[Icygreen]

Damn...

129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days.

Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.

oh wow

I hope Searing didn't get caught up in that

Searing is a kind of goodie goodie two shoes.  

I got slap'd on that. I guess Yobit is more of a hot button than I knew. To me a good exchange or bad exchange you don't leave $$$ or crypto on any...even

the good ones eventually have issues like cryptopia...but in hindsight....yobit...20 posts a day max and $1.43 a post legendary (I did not spam thus got a reprieve only

9 posts in the yobit area mostly trying to figure out how yobit works and why the hate)

Anyway, the only campaign that let me keep my HAT...(damn, thus blithely signed up because of that and mossey'd into the frying pan)

anyway, back to campaigns that only let me in if I get rid of my avatar and hat (alas!)...but yeah...I can see why thermos killed this campaign dead...

serious money/spam etc....but after fees I did on my 9 posts make $12.93 USD

So I guess I can't just assume a campaign is OK if it is on bitcointalk...found out they can be NOT OK and kicked out after the fact.....should  have

done my research and had the 20 posts a day ring a bell at least spam wise...whatever...know better now hopefully...

(anyway live an learn)

brad

I got the same reprieve, 14 day ban.  I wrote an explanation email and now unbanned.  Definitely didn't see that coming but learned a little and I can see the moral argument of it all.
Still don't understand exactly why there's such a hate-on for yobit and the drama that came. Maybe more clarification on which campaigns are allowed would be helpful as well.
Twas an $8 experience
@natilda, yep Sig was replaced.

[Globb0]

If there was an additional tax for each children you have instead of social benefits maybe they would have a second thought... or maybe not

It's also ironical that the same people that complain there are not enough jobs are the ones making new babies... for which they can't even provide basic education and life advice.

Paying for other people to breed has always turned my stomach, that is one of the biggest faults of governments.

If you can't afford them don't fucking spit them out!

That's exactly what I am saying.

I don't really understand why I do have pay additional taxes for each property I have and children are not only not taxed but in some cases even have tax benefits. It just doesn't make any sense. Rewarding irresponsibility...

They can afford 15% of their toys being sold off. You're right.

[JayJuanGee]

In crypto there are only 2 proper networks available:

What about lightning network?  Doesn't that count as something to be specified, even though it is a sub-category of bitcoin?

[slocker]

I got the same reprieve, 14 day ban.  I wrote an explanation email and now unbanned.  Definitely didn't see that coming but learned a little and I can see the moral argument of it all.
Still don't understand exactly why there's such a hate-on for yobit and the drama that came. Maybe more clarification on which campaigns are allowed would be helpful as well.
Twas an $8 experience
@natilda, yep Sig was replaced.

Yobit was spamy last time they didnt check post and everything, dunno about now but GL to them in this term. They should restrict this to 5 legendary 7 hero 10 sr for this time and to see how thing will progress.

[El duderino_]

None of you seem to understand.

Bitcoin doesn't need to adapt to "the mainstream".

"The mainstream" needs to adapt to Bitcoin!

https://twitter.com/giacomozucco/status/1121134575076429825

    

[El duderino_]

Almost forgot..... good morning fellow BTC'ers 

[Last of the V8s]

Morning Goose.
^^Not just the mainstream. Us too. We still haven't cottoned on. Tinkering about with bitcoin smh.
meanwhile i'm a bit bearish. we could see a 25% bart down and still be in an uptrend, not that i want it duh

[JSRAW]

Its in Work in progress mic.....


IN DEPTH: France's wide-ranging new blockchain law aims to solve a longstanding problem for crypto startups: banking, or lack thereof. Feature by @IanAllison123

https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/1121323471986991105

https://www.ccn.com/societe-generale-blockchain-bond-112-million-ethereum

[HairyMaclairy]

Morning Goose.
^^Not just the mainstream. Us too. We still haven't cottoned on. Tinkering about with bitcoin smh.
meanwhile i'm a bit bearish. we could see a 25% bart down and still be in an uptrend, not that i want it duh

Tis but a flesh wound

[Last of the V8s]

^^non-problems not-solved by not-bitcoiners on not-blockchains in non-places reported by non-journalists to non-readers
^yeah might not even happen. just bear with saw head today

[Lambie Slayer]

New poll should be, if CSW starts suing the trust for keys to the stash, since he has his own chain would you support freezing Satoshi coins on the BTC chain.

You are assuming a lot, aren't you?

You are assuming that the trust story is actually true, and if it were true, then whoever has the keys can do whatever the fuck they want with the coins, including dumping them all.

We don't need to DAO hardfork in bitcoin.  This is not ethereum, and the mere fact that some goofball like craig might gain access to such coins should NOT worry anyone.

It's a hypothetical based on their claims, would it be better if it was reworded to: what if two billionairs are not completely insane and actually have some logic to their madness? I'm having a hard time explaining their actions and timing, so dismissing it off to their stupidity feels like an easy way out. To me that's the biggest risk holding BTC back right now, everything else seems to be going as planned. Trusts cannot do anything with assets they hold but beneficiary can do whatever the fuck they want, and in the wrong hands BTC1MM can do a lot of damage. But as i answered my own question, if that has any merit to being true their first step would be proving that he's Satoshi in the eyes of the government. And if that were to actually happen we would most certainly fork to original and Satoshi's frozen stash chains the next day and then market would assign risks appropriately.

I doubt that we are forking, even if the one billionaire and the other hope-to-be a billionaire happen to know something that we don't and they end up getting the satoshi coins.

I agree with JJG and dont believe we would fork if Craig and Calvin got their grubby hands on 1 million coins.


But............

Luckily its a moot point and we don't ever have to worry about it bc we know for a fact the Tulip Trust is a bogus lie made by Craig. One of many lies, and probably his biggest one. It is Craigs Magnum Opus of FUD.

If anyone doubts the Tulip Trust is bogus, this article from last year and it will clear it up for you right away. I will quote the best part, but the whole thing is worth a read.





https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/craig-wright-court-documents-show-alledged-1-million-bitcoin-stash-may-be-mt-gox-btc-address/


"The Bitcoin Addresses In The Court Documents Are Directly Connected To Mt. Gox
Trustnodes analyzed the wallet addresses mentioned in the court documents. The wallets contain hundreds of thousands of bitcoins – similar to the amount purportedly mined by Satoshi in the early days. However, these bitcoins appear more connected to Mt. Gox than to Satoshi Nakamoto.

“A brief check of these addresses reveal they belong to MT Gox as has now been proven. Taking the very first address above at A (a), we’ll call it 12hR, we can see it shows funding of 334k bitcoin in 2011. That was directly funded by none other than the infamous MT Gox address from a proof of solvency gox did in 2011.”

We know this address belongs to Mt. Gox because blockchain detectives connected it to the exchange in 2014. At that time, it was revealed that the address still held 200,000 bitcoins – even after Mt. Gox had declared bankruptcy. Mt. Gox later admitted that they owned the address, and the bankrupt exchange was forced to send the bitcoins to the bankruptcy trustee."



For the TLDR crowd out there: Craig listed addresses in his fake Trust document. Fortunately for us these addresses make it childs play to see he is a liar.

[El duderino_]

Morning Goose.
^^Not just the mainstream. Us too. We still haven't cottoned on. Tinkering about with bitcoin smh.
meanwhile i'm a bit bearish. we could see a 25% bart down and still be in an uptrend, not that i want it duh

^
If so

[bitserve]

If there was an additional tax for each children you have instead of social benefits maybe they would have a second thought... or maybe not

It's also ironical that the same people that complain there are not enough jobs are the ones making new babies... for which they can't even provide basic education and life advice.

Paying for other people to breed has always turned my stomach, that is one of the biggest faults of governments.

If you can't afford them don't fucking spit them out!

That's exactly what I am saying.

I don't really understand why I do have pay additional taxes for each property I have and children are not only not taxed but in some cases even have tax benefits. It just doesn't make any sense. Rewarding irresponsibility...

They can afford 15% of their toys being sold off. You're right.

lol

Well, that would be a good way to slowly introduce them to what the rest of their lifes will be like

[JSRAW]

If we put aside all theory about Craig etc.

Then would love to see fictional biography movie on Satoshi in next 10-20 years and if director is good then it could turn out to be good mind fuck movie. where anonymous person starts his journey as a nerdy programmer and ends up as a visionary.

[HairyMaclairy]

Anyone know how to chart Tether market cap on TradingView?

usdt

For anyone else wondering about this, its not under cryptocurrency, its under index!

And on that note, Tether is back at ATH...