Claudiu Cretulescu:
I think we need some explanations from the people that working for this project. Why don’t we have an audit as long as we vote for it, as a DAO. What is the level of the development of the platform. When are they going to start the marketing plan? A few words could be enough.
Schoepi:
You want a marketing plan? make it.
I know, it is not easy realy to understand a DAO.
I know also, a DAO is sometimes not the best way in details. But sure is, DAO as a whole, is the best, secure way for the future.
You should let it melt on your tongue.
There is a blockchain, which is free and completely independent.
It is organized and developed by the users themselves - DAO.
It has been running uninterrupted, error-free since the Genesis process.
There are native built-in features that cover an entire business, legally compliant, automated.
Has API interfaces for development on any platform, industry standard.
Brings a wallet that runs on any operating system without additional APP, worldwide.
And everyone can use Infinity-Economics without being asked and self-determined, free of charge.
Now I ask you,
can you showe me another blockchain that unites these qualities?
And is it justified to assume that such a blockchain could have a good chance of success?
I think so if we don't destroy it ourselves.
Claudiu Cretulescu:
Thank you for this informations Schoepi. I am aware about this, but I know that there is a budget for the marketing plan. Of course all of us can do marketing for the IE, but only profesional marketing can boost our platform.
Schoepi:
You know of a budget for a marketing plan? That's nice to hear.
And yes, you're right, it takes a large budget for a successful marketing plan.
Some had a budget, for a marketing at the right time.
But then, a few of them were opprobriated, insulted or now even being sued by the community.
Well, a little I would grasp, if they did not want anymore.
sasch petr:
That’s another trick, you guys try to pull since the beginning of IE: to victimize the culprits.
The huge marketing activities were one of the false promises, which were given by Norbert Schmid, his MLM gang and by James Wilfong, right at the beginning.
Thousand have invested their money into MCW based on lies and false promises. In the beginning of IE they were full of hope and enthusiastic. As it became more and more clear that all these promises will not be fulfilled 99% of them left the project in deep frustration: that’s why the price is so down. People who started criticizing were called ‘haters’ and offended in numerous ways.
In the light of the new development, it doesn’t seem to be an accident anymore, that the forum was shut down just a while ago. You’re always so proud of the ‘DAO’. The shutting down of the forum and the online wallet was centrally managed, somebody seems to be afraid, that you can read the whole history there. The DAO voted for a security audit, one of the few real votings. But it never happened.
Schoepi:
You're really making unfair assertion now. This is a generalization that is simply not correct. That is unfair to the many honest ones. Because the idea, the script and the whole project is open, honest and correct. Just as tens of thousands of people in the community are.
But exactly this dishonest behavior is the trick, those who would like IE to denigrate. Picking out individual, who misbehaving, or putting another projects into a context with the IE project and then generalizing to accuse things that don't affect the project or the community in general.
If some people have behaved fraudulently, they should also be held accountable. That is sure not a question.
But it is precisely, to find out if they have behaved fraudulently, that why the court case is there. Or is that not true?
There are bad chatterers and beautiful speakers in every project. But some applaud and others ignore, that is rarely the right way.
Only people can lie, not things.
There is a script that has been running without errors since Jan. 2017, uninterruptedly.
Why do people program and update regularly, e.g. currently a complex wallet, which everyone can use for free, says too, that even no money can be earned?
Why do people and companies realize independent projects with the skript of IE blockchain ?
Because they are fools? Or maybe because they are not biased?
I don't want to list all positive facts now. Who wants can know them all.
But one more thing. Which promises have not been kept? And please, I am talking about things that the project actually promised, yes.
Of course, there are also critical facts. And critics are definitely heard. But to claim fraud and lies is not criticism, it is reproach. If some people say this again and again in innumerable chat rooms without any evidence, they should not be surprised if they are accused of hatred.
Yes, a low price, many criticisms (justified or not), lengthy development time and a dwindling community and other things are now also facts, absolutely right.
But do all these negative facts, comparison with the positive ones, actually confirm a negative quality of the ieBlockchain?
Or are the "negative" facts rather a consequence of certain circumstances and not the cause of a supposedly "insufficient" block chain?
The DAO, for example, not only has many advantages. For example, it has the disadvantage that no company with a budget of millions drives marketing, forcing countless programmers with a lot of money to complete a tool now and immediately.
But DAO organized open source projects are by no means worse, only much slower.
I am convinced that DAO organized blockchain like Bitcoin or IE too have the best chances for success in the future.
A DAO and the quality of the script as well as the philosophy of IE is now justification enough for me to put my money on this project as well. If it fails, I won't be stupidly droning. After all, it's my decision that I made with today's information.
If you are not convinced by IE, it is a good idea not to decide for IE. This is completely legitimate.
But it does not give anyone the right to judge the decisions and beliefs of others.
Not even the accusation of enrichment, because we bought XIN very cheaply today. But, as unqualified as today is criticized, exact as unqualified, will happen again in case of success. You can put poison on it.
sasch petr:
Which promises have not been kept?
First: all the total wrong promises in the MCW phase. They were not written down, they were given mouth to mouth in the MLM structure.
Second: here are promises made by the foundation (the 'project') on 01-05-2017 and 14-05-2017, all not kept:
Promises for May 31 2017:
The Initial exchanges looking at listing XIN are: Poloniex, Bter, BTC38, CCEX, HitBTC, Xapo, BitPanda, Bitcoin Suisse, Cointed
IE will begin educational seminars for using and creating real world IE blockchain applications. There are a number of humanitarian projects and global communities with members numbering in the millions which will be implementing the IE wallet
A public relations campaign will be implemented which will involve foundation created press releases and interviews.. This includes announcements on bitcointalk and like platforms.
Promised for June/July 2017:
XIN to be listed on a dozen or so exchanges.
Promises for August/September 2017 and general promises:
Aug – Final Core Applications will be activated CORE- Activation Subscriptions MainNet - Activation Escrow MainNet - Activation Shuffling MainNet
By August IE/XIN should be picking up more and more exchanges and plugin development applications. Several global communities are fully embedded into IE/XIN platform. Millions of wallets opened. Education academy is in full swing.
Sept – IE plans to roll out several new feature applications such as internal exchange and bot trading platform, as well as
We will begin publishing a weekly “State of IE DAO” newsletter to keep the community abreast of news and updates.
SERVICES- News Center - Market Data - OTC Market - Message Center - Digital Goods Store - Business Directory – Events - ... More Services (See Wallet)
These are promises from the time, where the excuse of the DAO wasn’t prevailing yet.
Schoepi:
With your last posts you showed everyone here that you have no idea about IE and that you understood IE even less. Or you don't want understand more?
First:
I said, only what was actually promised in the project and not what individuals out of pure self-interest, in wish scenarios out-routed into the world.
By the way, such behaviour can also be observed in every single one of the other coins. This is not a specific IE problem.
Secondly:
I have to say in advance that there is only one official website, if you can even speak of official in a DAO - decentral autonomous organisation. There was many websites with or around IE and there still been some. They are then managed by DAO members in the form of individuals, companies or groups.
Even the same in the many chat rooms, forums etc., as here too for example, they be only a DAO member.
As a rule, at least. Hier also do write some people too, for whatever reason, who neither hold XIN nor shares or anything else and therefore do not have the status "DAO-member".
(The Project) I don't know now this Project and don't have the time to look for old things in the past.
In addition, the statements about the Exchanges are once again a typical one, if you only know the facts from hearsay.
A promise, a Exchanges will list the XIN, can not give from IE at all. IE has not done either. The Exchanges are independent companies and have no legal connection with IE and therefore IE cannot influence the Exchanges. That would be the one thing.
I may remember, however, that a few from the DAO got together and asked the Exchanges to list the XIN and announced it loudly. In my naivety at that time, I had supported the venture at that time. For this I and the group were criticized by the Dev's as well.
It was also crucial that just at this time, (orchestrated by the US government and supported by the EU in its premature obedience) a new regulation was forced on the Exchanges. Exchanges operating worldwide were not allowed, if they did not want to risk the closure of the Exchange by the US government, to accept no more coins, if there no responsible person can be named for the blockchain, who controls at least 10% of all coins.
But this is a) not possible in a DAO, otherwise it would not be a DAO anymore and b) not possible with IE, because there is nobody who could controls just one part of thies 10% of the XIN.
And nevertheless, the XIN is listed on some and not exactly insignificant Exchanges.
I cannot and will not go deep profoundly into the comments of other DAO members any further here. That's why I shorten the answers to a minimum. In addition, some of the review are listed several times, which I will only discuss once.
Education academy:
see as an example the Youtube channel infinity economics academy.
or the Wiki of IE with hundreds of pages to the technology, to the innumerable features, How-To-Guides and information for the developers.
Everyone who is actually a DAO member knows these pages.
Humanitarian Projects:
See just as one example, the Global Tree Project.
PR campaign:
Yes, not yet a big thing. But many smaller DAO members did and do it.
Press releases:
Well, see Blog at IE-Website, Medium, Soziale Medien etc. But yes, no million budget spent.
Missing core applications:
Have you ever visited any of IE's wallets at all? I don't think so.
Escrow, Shuffling, Messages, Assets, Currencies, Aliases, Voting, Smart Contracts, Crowdfunding, Subsciptions and so on.
Everything is here. Already native built-in.
Which of the other blockchain, just about this variety of features, have this too, please?
And Oh yes, I trade shares, i.e. assets inside the IE Wallet ever since they exist. So much for the allegedly missing internal stock exchange.
You claim that IE promised news via newsletter. But they didn't.
Very exciting, while other projects, I emphasize other projects, send Newsletters,
and they are in misleadingly attributed to IE. And of course then IE is accused of spamming. Yes what now? They did send or not.
What's stupid is that IE can and will never be able to send e-mails. Because in the blockchain no personal data, neither names, email, phone number and the like can be collected, because these cannot be stored in the blockchain. This space simply does not exist in the IE blockchain and was never provided. So only other projects, freeloaders and the like, can have sent eMail.
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I'm breaking off here, just getting too much.
Only one more.
Not only that you have to invent accusations or you criticizes a behavior of IE, to something IE at all nothing can.
No, you have to call other people as bitch, as a substitute to your argumentation poverty
This is impressive proof that you can't really be taken seriously.
That's why dosn't worth it, at least not for me, to keep me busy with you or your allies. My English is simply too bad for that and mine the time too valuable for me.
Seriously meant factual led criticisms always interested me very much. They always bring added value. Subtle, confusing statements, incorrect assertions or lies, but never.
They are presented by those who do not have good in mind, because one has to act consciously with this kind of expression. So I wouldn't miss anything if the chat was freed from such.
My final sentence:
Not everything is fine with IE. But all the essentials in IE with certainty top and not to blame.
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