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January 12, 2018, 01:30:09 AM
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https://blockchain.info/address/1HDzV2RkdjeyHMc53qCVy5Lyk7ZxMoPA1x

This is my wallet on their site. My funds are safe, right?

No,until your funds are not in your wallet or you doesn't have your p.key, NO, your funds are not safe.
Your funds belong to coinmarkets,so,you have nothing at all.
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January 12, 2018, 01:34:56 AM
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Right, have been somewhat on the sidelines for a bit, but feel I need to weigh in on this:

Domainname and WHOIS data
The domainname (coinsmarkets.com) is registered at the hostname registrar Gandi.net, Gandi.net does not actually check the WHOIS records provided by its clients since +31.0001220358 (not a valid .NL phonenumber) and "amesterdam" are incorrect.

I think the WHOIS information is fake, but there are three companies registered on the address [1], namely:
a. Stichting Moerka,KvK 27259166 Surinamestraat 26 - kamer 5 - 2585GJ 's-Gravenhage Rechtspersoon
b. Bohema 's-Gravenhage B.V. (Hoofdvestiging) KVK 27030037 - Vestigingsnr. 000020540590 - Surinamestraat 26 kamer 5 - 2585GJ 's-Gravenhage
c. Hoogsteder & Hoogsteder B.V. - KVK 27119670 - Surinamestraat 26 2585GJ's-Gravenhage Nevenvestiging

Only the first two are active, c. is stated as inactive.
This tells us two things: apparently there are multiple rooms at the Surinamestraat 26 (the Dutch word kamer means room), and one of the rooms has two companies registered to it (a. being a not-for-profit). There are hardly any references to a. on Google, but b. is listed as a financial organization of some sorts [2] - and has the phonenumber listed as: (0031 70 364 0475). This is also the phonenumber of "W J Hoogsteder-Vd Weiden" which might be the elderly couple another forum member talked about as having visited [4]. I also recall reading somewhere that someone called the phonenumber above, and that an elderly person answered, not sure where that was. Gandi.net (where the hostname coinsmarkets.com is registered) is a large company that has it's own Wikipedia page [5]. It's not shady nor relevant that other Exchanges/companies used the same domainname registrar.

Configuration of the server
Basically their configuration sucks; but to make it clear: they use Cloudflare to offer HTTPS and DDoS protection (https://www.coinsmarkets.com) but the website can be contacted directly at: http://mail.coinsmarkets.com (but be aware that this is HTTP so do not login on a public WiFi). It can also be contacted directly at the IP that was mentioned before in the SQL error that was visible on the frontpage: 185.66.140.234 => http://185.66.140.234 . This is also their mailserver (for receiving e-mail) but obviously the incoming and outgoing mail has been disabled. The server runs PHP on Windows Server 2008 R2 which (and more info) can be found on the /info.php page on mail.coinsmarkets.com [6] that shows the full phinfo() output... (wow). The website seems to be programmed by a complete noob: copypasting JavaScript files in the webroot for different purposes (ajax10.js, ajax12.js, ajax14.js, ajax21.js, ajax23.js, ajax28.js, ajax3.js, ajax32.js, ajax5.js, ajax7.js, ajax9.js, ajax11.js, ajax13.js, ajax20.js, ajax22.js, ajax24.js, ajax29.js, ajax30.js, ajax4.js, ajax6.js, ajax8.js). The programmer is probably not using a framework (based on files like header.php) and uses inline styling like: style="margin-bottom: 2px; width: 30px;" - which are all signs of amateurism. Another interesting file is /test.php which shows some debug output. Oh and also, the website looks like it was designed by a five year old.  If http://mail.coinsmarkets.com is down, the https://www.coinsmarkets.com only shows the cached version.

The most important scripts: withdraw.php and apiv1.php are removed from the webserver.

One other thing: https://www.coinsmarkets.com shows cached pages! Therefore: any error message you might see might be cached on a Cloudfare server that is close to you. Different pages might have different messages, but the best way to see the current message is through viewing the site (the source) at http://mail.coinsmarkets.com. Stuff like: "ordered new servers" and "DB load balancing" have been displayed at one point before and cached. I doubt that there was ever a new server, because all the time it was hosted at the same IP (185.66.140.234).  

Hosting of the server
The mail.coinsmarkets.com server, or 185.66.140.234, is hosted by NForce - which is a Dutch hoster, that allows for payments in Bitcoins [6] - possibly making it more difficult to trace the guy purely on his payment history.

Conclusion of technical part
- Domainname coinsmarkets.com is registered with (very likely) bogus WHOIS information;
- Website coinsmarkets.com is 'protected' by Cloudflare, so no information can be retrieved from the IP for www.coinsmarkets.com or the SSL-certificate.
- Actual website is hosted on http://mail.coinsmarkets.com (port 80) which is hosted by the Dutch company NForce.

Wallet balances
Unfortunately I cannot confirm or deny whether any money is gone, because I do not fully understand the process that an exchange goes through with regards to storing wallets for its members. But - having the right balances shown on the webpage does not actually mean anything. If the money was moved it should be visible on some of the blockchains, I hope that someone can do some more digging into this.

Speculative: thoughts on CM being a scam
At first I didn't hope CM was a scam (I do have some BTC stashed there) but unfortunately I do think we're fucked because:

-> There is NO communication from the owners. NO communication. It would be VERY SIMPLE to provide daily updates;
-> Outgoing e-mail, the trading engine, most of the wallets and critical PHP-scripts have been disabled/removed: apiv1.php, withdraw.php;
-> There are no signs of ANY updates to the website, next to the ECA trades a couple of days ago (which was very hopeful, at the time);
-> Messages like new servers were ordered/have arrived: the same infrastructure is in use since the beginning, there was no change of servers;
-> The admin did have an account on this forum [7] and was active before when there were issues on the site, but is totally silent now.

Honestly I have declared my coins there as lost.

My advice: consider the coins lost (lowers the frustration) go to your local police and report them as fraudster, if enough people do this it _will_ become an investigation. The guy(s) did leave more than enough traces for a (high tech) police department to find.

[1] Check www.kvk.nl with the address information; KVK is the Dutch Chamber of Commerce
[2] www.infobel.com/nl/netherlands/bohema_s_gravenhage_b_v/s_gravenhage/NL100070924-0703640475/businessdetails.aspx
[3] plusbedrijf.com/stad/s-gravenhage/surinamestraat
[4] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2185903.msg27582400#msg27582400
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandi
[6] https://www.nforce.com/payments
[7] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=978044

more things to think about. thanks!

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January 12, 2018, 01:40:07 AM
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People have mentioned this before, but when you mess with a man's money, people will go long, sickening lengths to get revenge. The coinsmarkets owner should be very careful with what he decides to do next.
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January 12, 2018, 01:43:17 AM
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Since this is or "was" an exchange,guys start to write to cryptomagazine.....coindesk for example and many more, start to ask to write articles about that.

A lot of crypto magazine fall in love to sgare exchanges scam, and this will bring exposure to go throught to find them.
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January 12, 2018, 01:49:20 AM
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I just checked some of my coins and addresses on coinsmarkets:

My BTC's are in wallet on cm - no transfer (until yet).

BUT my POLIS would be transfered to other wallets

https://explorer.polispay.org/address/PHHp9bpJrkCLG644mwc4oX5rfMiPMyUmVy

i don't know how an exchange works ... it could be that it is normal to transfer coins to a more secure wallet ... but it also could be, that it was a big scam going on.
AND it could also be, that cm was hacked and the dev is shaming himself and give up!

The only one i could determine the last days ... the website (without CloudFlare-info on the site) loads faster and frequently without failures or CloudFlare-info's on the site.
BUT i think the main reason for that is, lesser people will go to the site.

Finally i think - we have to accept, that the site will not come back and our coins are lost ... nearly 10k $ in my case! ;(
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January 12, 2018, 01:50:53 AM
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Isn't ECA talking to the Devs of CoinsMarkets? If they're in direct contact with them then why isn't anyone contacting the DEV team of Electra and getting their input? They may not be interacting with the public or communicating with us but "supposedly" from what I saw in the chat and what I've seen from ECA's team on Reddit and Twitter they're in talks with the team working on the CoinsMarkets site.

So has anyone contacted ECA Devs Team?

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January 12, 2018, 01:57:31 AM
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ECA will be talking with cm? ... sorry, but i don't think that's right ... mailserver from cm is down - so how they will talk to cm?
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January 12, 2018, 01:59:33 AM
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Isn't ECA talking to the Devs of CoinsMarkets? If they're in direct contact with them then why isn't anyone contacting the DEV team of Electra and getting their input? They may not be interacting with the public or communicating with us but "supposedly" from what I saw in the chat and what I've seen from ECA's team on Reddit and Twitter they're in talks with the team working on the CoinsMarkets site.

So has anyone contacted ECA Devs Team?

I think ECA-COINSMARKETS-COINHOUSE-COINCONTROL....all those exchange starting with "coins" and ECA dev are all on the same boat.

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January 12, 2018, 02:11:36 AM
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This is the tweet from january 5, 2018:
https://twitter.com/ElectracoinECA/status/949370463888838657

... "We have yet to hear back from CoinsMarkets", ...


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January 12, 2018, 02:14:43 AM
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I'm sure community involved in this giant and probably exit scam, could really if they want, find the owner and take legal action.

We live in a digital era, where everyone in the world is tracked and leave traces. We found osama bin laden inside a cave, and for sure you guys can find coinsmarkets owner and take proper action against him.

Be togheter,and work togheter.

Osama was allegedly found in a building... not a cave... but that's the official story. He was actually a CIA asset used as the latest bogey man to keep Americans in fear. Just had to clear that up.

I have 1.13 BTC on CM so im in this with you all.

what if... it's run by 1-2 incompetent guys and their culture is really laid back unlike Americans or most ppl who trade. I could see this as a possibility esp. after the stories from Sept. The site seemed to run faster today which is odd... I'm not convinced it's coming back up but I guess 25% of me says there's still a chance.
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January 12, 2018, 02:21:56 AM
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In the very best possible scenario CM is fully incompetent.
Most likely they are petty thieves who have enough skill that they could have made a legit living.
Long term this site could have been an eternal pay day.

Now they get to look over their shoulder for the rest of their lives, who knows who they ripped off.
I never put in enough that it would cause me much harm but I will write it off on my taxes.

More interesting to me are the shills calling people newbs, site is good, yada yada.  Were they paid to post here?  Were they just trolls?  Or were they the site owners putting out more discovery surface?
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I am programmer for last 35 years. Have been trading on CM since end of November last year. Deposited about 0.08 BTC. Site was a bit slow generally. The tick time for buy/sell updates was.......

If you work as the programmer of 35 years, and still haven't understood as the crypto exchanges are arranged - you are stupid. All personal addresses are tied to the account only for a deposit. All your current balances aren't tied to your addresses. If someone draws a conclusion, then the necessary sum is written off from a purse from all available entrances (which your deposits are). On it it is also useless to check balances through blockchain expolorer.

Whom hasn't reached yet that to administrators of CM to steal our coins, they don't need to transfer them from purses of CM. They and so at them.
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January 12, 2018, 02:26:55 AM
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this but the IP (185.66.143.252) listed where the server is that holds the database has javhub.tv setup as the default domain. If you visit javhub.tv you get the coinsmarket site which means that there is no longer hosting on that server found at that domain but the DNS still points there. Which makes me think that the owners of CM used to run that site ... or they shared it with that site but to run an exchange, I would think, would need all of the resources of the server.

So this could lead to more leads... start searching for javhub.tv. Apparently it was a japanese porn site... but check this link out... it was a business and this has 2 email addresses.

https://hunter.io/companies/javhub.tv

Start searching... This could lead to more info...
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January 12, 2018, 02:40:06 AM
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More info i've gathered:

site was live as recent as oct. 30th
https://web.archive.org/web/*/javhub.tv

their online support went here:
http://support.javonline.net/ (which now goes to the CM site as well)

Alexa shows the site still having traffic but I guess it prob just registers it even if it's not showing the actual porn site.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/javhub.tv


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January 12, 2018, 02:46:17 AM
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Look, I have 10k USD in there. and if they dont come online by next week. I am more than happy to pay another 10k just to catch them even if I dont get any of my money back.

I want the guy pay for what he did. Does anyone know where he is from? The registration says netherlands, but the servers are in san fran.

Based on his shit english, he is not american. If we can even track down a country/city, it gets much much easier.

He ran a different website? Track him down. I am sure I am not the only person on here with $$ to throw around to catch this mother fucker.

Does he really think he can just take all the coins and run away?

He ran other websites, so we will find him.

once we identify who he is, we will hire a private investigator. If its in one of more corrupting countries, then we will tap into the government entities and track him down

If hes from a developed country, we will find his credit card infor and track him down.

either way he will be found and he will pay for what he did. He is a dumb ass for doing this, everyone made bank in crypto, we can easily throw in money.  even at 100k USD, you can pretty much find and punish anyone that is not well connected.

WTF is wrong with this guy?
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January 12, 2018, 02:51:14 AM
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Look, I have 10k USD in there. and if they dont come online by next week. I am more than happy to pay another 10k just to catch them even if I dont get any of my money back.

I want the guy pay for what he did. Does anyone know where he is from? The registration says netherlands, but the servers are in san fran.

Based on his shit english, he is not american. If we can even track down a country/city, it gets much much easier.

He ran a different website? Track him down. I am sure I am not the only person on here with $$ to throw around to catch this mother fucker.

Does he really think he can just take all the coins and run away?

He ran other websites, so we will find him.

once we identify who he is, we will hire a private investigator. If its in one of more corrupting countries, then we will tap into the government entities and track him down

If hes from a developed country, we will find his credit card infor and track him down.

either way he will be found and he will pay for what he did. He is a dumb ass for doing this, everyone made bank in crypto, we can easily throw in money.  even at 100k USD, you can pretty much find and punish anyone that is not well connected.

WTF is wrong with this guy?

Yeah, well what happens to our money then? I have $12,000 in there. No, I didn't put that much initially. I only put some money but the coin I bought increased in price exponentially.

Am I gonna get my $12,000 back with this plan?
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January 12, 2018, 02:53:48 AM
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Look, I have 10k USD in there. and if they dont come online by next week. I am more than happy to pay another 10k just to catch them even if I dont get any of my money back.

I want the guy pay for what he did. Does anyone know where he is from? The registration says netherlands, but the servers are in san fran.

Based on his shit english, he is not american. If we can even track down a country/city, it gets much much easier.

He ran a different website? Track him down. I am sure I am not the only person on here with $$ to throw around to catch this mother fucker.

Does he really think he can just take all the coins and run away?

He ran other websites, so we will find him.

once we identify who he is, we will hire a private investigator. If its in one of more corrupting countries, then we will tap into the government entities and track him down

If hes from a developed country, we will find his credit card infor and track him down.

either way he will be found and he will pay for what he did. He is a dumb ass for doing this, everyone made bank in crypto, we can easily throw in money.  even at 100k USD, you can pretty much find and punish anyone that is not well connected.

WTF is wrong with this guy?

Yeah, well what happens to our money then? I have $12,000 in there. No, I didn't put that much initially. I only put some money but the coin I bought increased in price exponentially.

Am I gonna get my $12,000 back with this plan?

Of course getting our money back means a lot, but the main thing now is that scammers should pay for what they did. If they won't - we will see much more scam exchanges in the future.
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January 12, 2018, 02:55:48 AM
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its better to start a forum(discord/slack/telegram or whatever) so that we can talk instead of reading dispersed posts on different forums. i have 2.78 BTC in there, i will be happy to donate some if some legal action is going to be taken.
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January 12, 2018, 02:58:19 AM
 #919

No one here is even 100% sure if we're getting scammed.

We should just look for the owners of the site, and get them to release statements on the status. If it's gonna take longer than 2 days from now, just make them open the withdrawals so we can move our coins to our own wallets instead while they fix the site.
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January 12, 2018, 03:06:14 AM
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I just want to say something you guys will think about:

The coinsmarkets owner who is also a member here.. last logged in on 4th january. ok.

do you really think all this time he didn't peaked on this thread while not logged in?

of course he knows we are all desperate, worried and angry.

but what does he do about that? 0 official announcements. the website "bear with us" announcement worth 0 shits.

I was confident they won't scam, but now I am losing my patience like all of us.

and what can I do if I lose my patience? well, I don't know yet, but I will not let this go past me.

if owner of coinsmarkets read this... know well that your life won't be long and happy because I believe in karma justice. i won't do anything to you, but someday you will regret ruining thousands of people's life.

tl'dr:  OWNER of CM is reading the CM chat, is reading this thread and other posts. But chooses not to reply.
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