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January 12, 2018, 12:57:27 AM
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I am programmer for last 35 years. Have been trading on CM since end of November last year. Deposited about 0.08 BTC. Site was a bit slow generally. The tick time for buy/sell updates was happening about every 4.5 seconds. Pretty soon I started seeing message that withdrawals might take a while due to queue. Did wonder at that because it's all electronic and should happen within minutes to a few hours right. Did some trading. Lost £500 in MUT coins when it's Dev ran off with everyone's money! Continued trading with my now reduced 0.03 BTC and managed over the Christmas period to get up to about 0.15 BTC which was pretty good even though i say so myself heh.. Anyway then as new year arrived the site had a number of hours where it ground to a halt and the cloudfare pages started showing older surface snapshot versions of the site. Buy / Sell updates changed too to about every 10 seconds. Then they introduced a 5 second DDOS attack page before the site loaded. Hackers eh.. Seems like a plan. Bought a few million coins. Panicked and sold a few million coins. Some stressful and some brilliant times! Made £194 in 20 minutes. Made £28 in 27 seconds. Made 78 pence from £900 transaction in 2 hours. Mega stressful! Shocked Learned a great deal lol. Anyway, January arrived, 'Happy New Year to all our members and investors' message appeared. Then... site went down! Did the hackers causing the DDOS page mod finally get through? Nobody knew. I wasn't worried (had already written the initial 0.08 BTC deposit off as a learning experience.) I also had an innate trust in CM that they were good peeps in my mind and hey they had made enough money off my own trading which I was more than glad for them to have. Then over the coming days a new message banner came saying 'Servers were overloaded and migrating to new ones.' Okay, sounds like a good plan and good for us all after the site downs in past few days. My own experiences building scalable databases and websites told me they would be optimistic to get this running any time soon so I had a break from it all only checking in a few times a day. At one point very soon into it the chattango room was placed as the main page itself. Greay idea I thought to keep the community alive while the upgrades were happening! At one point someone said in the chat that the fees were 0.1% when actually they were 0.25% so I thought I would mention it and typed it in. Suddenly a signin popup appeared asking me to login. So I duly put in my login name and password. 'Bad login info' message appeared. I tried again, and again, and again. Damn  I thought! If hackers *had* taken over the site had I just given them my plain password?? Could they now have all they need to access and decrypt my data??? $@!# !!! What a n00b! Totally fell for that!!!! Hope they are for real I thought and that didn't just really happen.. What a perfect way to go rob an exchange eh.. Get peeps plain passwords and decrypt their data and steal all their coins. Premeditated robbery of a very sneaky kind!! Anyway I reasoned that as my balances were still showing I didn't see any solid reason to worry then! For now.. But those balances were jist snapshots though. Hmmm... Anyway the chat tango room only main page disappeared almost as soon as it had come and the site went back to a random selection of the cloudfare upgrading servers message with the occasional Happy New members one too. So what to do? Chat seemed the only place to see what was happening and most peeps seemed calm. As time went by though more and more trolling and negative spam appeared in chat and conversely less and less of the positive members saying 'don't worry' and 'we trust in CM' etc etc etc. Also again a new banner appeared on main page saying 'servers arrived and now being configured.' Great we were getting at least some kind of progress information but why had they not emailed all the members?? Why had site admins not had a presence in the chat room reassuring us all that it was fine and just taking time?? Well from my own experience I knew that trying to say how long nearly any fairly technical task is going to take is like saying 'how long is a piece of string?' And from experience I knew also that plucking any time span out of the air generally ends up with more and more disgruntled users when the time comes and goes and causes no end of stress so hey best thing to do is say nothing and just concenrrate on and get the job done! That's more than enough stress on its own.. So again I waited and then again a new progress banner message on main page! This time saying 'servers being configured nearly finished.' Okay.. But why leave a barely working site up and running? And why not just have a simple static page saying 'we are offline until we fix it' etc? And anyway if hackers *had* taken over the site, admins could at any time have pulled the plug and denied them access! So no hackers phew. Site admins were in control then. Cool! More time waiting.. More trolls in the chat room.. Then.. Another banner message saying 'servers working,just DB load balancing problems now.' Cool! . .. ... And here we are: no more wiser than when site went down 10 odd days ago...

I have only today checked in the block chain explorer using the withdraw hash I managed to screen shot some days ago and it shows that I put in 0.08 BTC and then a few hours later that it was taken out all this on 26th November. Confusing for a crypto currency n00b like me making me think I was robbed over a month ago?!?! Tracking the transaction trail it shows it went to join 28 BTC. Maybe then it went into a bigger wallet then? I don't know. Maybe someone here could shed some light on this?

Wallet: 1AfboKVHd5MWyWApQJWUrC5kqpoc3KDxH8

Transaction:
8c3dbf75420fc5ed9b5a0a282f6ae15b695b34cc22eaac0eefaa85f7040eac72

TO COINS MARKETS SITE ADMINS THEN. BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

GIVE US SOME CLEAR INDICATION OF YOUR CURRENT STATUS! IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT AND ARE FRETTING, I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE FULLY QUALIFIED TO HELP GET YOU BACK UP AND RUNNING! ONE OF THEM HELPED XYLO MAKE ITS RETURN. LET US HELP YOU! IT MAY TAKE DAYS, WEEKS, HEY EVEN MONTHS AND THEN IT'S BACK TO TRADING AS USUAL AND WE ARE ALL HAPPY!!! THAT'S WHAT WE WANT! JUST SEND US SOME KIND OF *CLEAR* INDICATION THAT YOU ARE ON IT! FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!! Please...
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January 12, 2018, 01:19:02 AM
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I have only today checked in the block chain explorer using the withdraw hash I managed to screen shot some days ago and it shows that I put in 0.08 BTC and then a few hours later that it was taken out all this on 26th November. Confusing for a crypto currency n00b like me making me think I was robbed over a month ago?!?! Tracking the transaction trail it shows it went to join 28 BTC. Maybe then it went into a bigger wallet then? I don't know. Maybe someone here could shed some light on this?


Here is the same situation with my wallet, DOGE wallet, when site was up and running, if i deposited some fund, it usually showed me for example   +5000 Doge, and 10 mins later  -5000 DOGE, Final balance was ZERO even if i had DOGE in my balance list on the exchange. I think it's because all balances are stored on main exchange wallet, and when deposit arrives to our address it moves immediately to main wallet. So they just can leave database onlne showing us our balances and move all our coins from their main wallet somewhere..
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January 12, 2018, 01:21:20 AM
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This is my wallet on coinsmarkets, it was supposed to have 14.01 litecoins and the numbers match. So my litecoins were not moved and touched yet, they are still intact on my CM wallet... But all of these allegations of people having their cash moved from their wallet to masternodes is worrying me a lot... Maybe its just a matter of time for them to transfer mine too.

But for now I my money is intact on CM, this value is high and vital for me, if I lose this money it will damage me and others A LOT. For us it is beyond a nightmare to lose our coins at CM.

https://live.blockcypher.com/ltc/address/LiHHb64iGCakmfT4XZGCpkcWm177VMjaZS/



We need to go with full force to catch these guys, even if they are just taking too long, the no communication thing is unacceptable and a crime by itself. There are a lot of people becoming suicidal appearing all over the net regarding their lost money at CM. I am in shock, I had not hold my money at CM, I just moved there to buy ECA and transfer to my wallet, it was supposed to be a 5 to 10 minute thing and this was the window that put the website offline. A lot of people in the same situation, gotten while trying to buy ECA when the website was online and now are trapped.


CM devs need to go public, even if they were trying to steal from everyone, they have no idea what they are doing. They are putting their life at risk since there are other people already targeting them. We will lose our money, they will lose their life, no one wins so whats the point?!
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January 12, 2018, 01:22:32 AM
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I'm sure community involved in this giant and probably exit scam, could really if they want, find the owner and take legal action.

We live in a digital era, where everyone in the world is tracked and leave traces. We found osama bin laden inside a cave, and for sure you guys can find coinsmarkets owner and take proper action against him.

Be togheter,and work togheter.
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January 12, 2018, 01:28:27 AM
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https://blockchain.info/address/1HDzV2RkdjeyHMc53qCVy5Lyk7ZxMoPA1x

This is my wallet on their site. My funds are safe, right?
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January 12, 2018, 01:30:09 AM
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https://blockchain.info/address/1HDzV2RkdjeyHMc53qCVy5Lyk7ZxMoPA1x

This is my wallet on their site. My funds are safe, right?

No,until your funds are not in your wallet or you doesn't have your p.key, NO, your funds are not safe.
Your funds belong to coinmarkets,so,you have nothing at all.
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January 12, 2018, 01:34:56 AM
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Right, have been somewhat on the sidelines for a bit, but feel I need to weigh in on this:

Domainname and WHOIS data
The domainname (coinsmarkets.com) is registered at the hostname registrar Gandi.net, Gandi.net does not actually check the WHOIS records provided by its clients since +31.0001220358 (not a valid .NL phonenumber) and "amesterdam" are incorrect.

I think the WHOIS information is fake, but there are three companies registered on the address [1], namely:
a. Stichting Moerka,KvK 27259166 Surinamestraat 26 - kamer 5 - 2585GJ 's-Gravenhage Rechtspersoon
b. Bohema 's-Gravenhage B.V. (Hoofdvestiging) KVK 27030037 - Vestigingsnr. 000020540590 - Surinamestraat 26 kamer 5 - 2585GJ 's-Gravenhage
c. Hoogsteder & Hoogsteder B.V. - KVK 27119670 - Surinamestraat 26 2585GJ's-Gravenhage Nevenvestiging

Only the first two are active, c. is stated as inactive.
This tells us two things: apparently there are multiple rooms at the Surinamestraat 26 (the Dutch word kamer means room), and one of the rooms has two companies registered to it (a. being a not-for-profit). There are hardly any references to a. on Google, but b. is listed as a financial organization of some sorts [2] - and has the phonenumber listed as: (0031 70 364 0475). This is also the phonenumber of "W J Hoogsteder-Vd Weiden" which might be the elderly couple another forum member talked about as having visited [4]. I also recall reading somewhere that someone called the phonenumber above, and that an elderly person answered, not sure where that was. Gandi.net (where the hostname coinsmarkets.com is registered) is a large company that has it's own Wikipedia page [5]. It's not shady nor relevant that other Exchanges/companies used the same domainname registrar.

Configuration of the server
Basically their configuration sucks; but to make it clear: they use Cloudflare to offer HTTPS and DDoS protection (https://www.coinsmarkets.com) but the website can be contacted directly at: http://mail.coinsmarkets.com (but be aware that this is HTTP so do not login on a public WiFi). It can also be contacted directly at the IP that was mentioned before in the SQL error that was visible on the frontpage: 185.66.140.234 => http://185.66.140.234 . This is also their mailserver (for receiving e-mail) but obviously the incoming and outgoing mail has been disabled. The server runs PHP on Windows Server 2008 R2 which (and more info) can be found on the /info.php page on mail.coinsmarkets.com [6] that shows the full phinfo() output... (wow). The website seems to be programmed by a complete noob: copypasting JavaScript files in the webroot for different purposes (ajax10.js, ajax12.js, ajax14.js, ajax21.js, ajax23.js, ajax28.js, ajax3.js, ajax32.js, ajax5.js, ajax7.js, ajax9.js, ajax11.js, ajax13.js, ajax20.js, ajax22.js, ajax24.js, ajax29.js, ajax30.js, ajax4.js, ajax6.js, ajax8.js). The programmer is probably not using a framework (based on files like header.php) and uses inline styling like: style="margin-bottom: 2px; width: 30px;" - which are all signs of amateurism. Another interesting file is /test.php which shows some debug output. Oh and also, the website looks like it was designed by a five year old.  If http://mail.coinsmarkets.com is down, the https://www.coinsmarkets.com only shows the cached version.

The most important scripts: withdraw.php and apiv1.php are removed from the webserver.

One other thing: https://www.coinsmarkets.com shows cached pages! Therefore: any error message you might see might be cached on a Cloudfare server that is close to you. Different pages might have different messages, but the best way to see the current message is through viewing the site (the source) at http://mail.coinsmarkets.com. Stuff like: "ordered new servers" and "DB load balancing" have been displayed at one point before and cached. I doubt that there was ever a new server, because all the time it was hosted at the same IP (185.66.140.234).  

Hosting of the server
The mail.coinsmarkets.com server, or 185.66.140.234, is hosted by NForce - which is a Dutch hoster, that allows for payments in Bitcoins [6] - possibly making it more difficult to trace the guy purely on his payment history.

Conclusion of technical part
- Domainname coinsmarkets.com is registered with (very likely) bogus WHOIS information;
- Website coinsmarkets.com is 'protected' by Cloudflare, so no information can be retrieved from the IP for www.coinsmarkets.com or the SSL-certificate.
- Actual website is hosted on http://mail.coinsmarkets.com (port 80) which is hosted by the Dutch company NForce.

Wallet balances
Unfortunately I cannot confirm or deny whether any money is gone, because I do not fully understand the process that an exchange goes through with regards to storing wallets for its members. But - having the right balances shown on the webpage does not actually mean anything. If the money was moved it should be visible on some of the blockchains, I hope that someone can do some more digging into this.

Speculative: thoughts on CM being a scam
At first I didn't hope CM was a scam (I do have some BTC stashed there) but unfortunately I do think we're fucked because:

-> There is NO communication from the owners. NO communication. It would be VERY SIMPLE to provide daily updates;
-> Outgoing e-mail, the trading engine, most of the wallets and critical PHP-scripts have been disabled/removed: apiv1.php, withdraw.php;
-> There are no signs of ANY updates to the website, next to the ECA trades a couple of days ago (which was very hopeful, at the time);
-> Messages like new servers were ordered/have arrived: the same infrastructure is in use since the beginning, there was no change of servers;
-> The admin did have an account on this forum [7] and was active before when there were issues on the site, but is totally silent now.

Honestly I have declared my coins there as lost.

My advice: consider the coins lost (lowers the frustration) go to your local police and report them as fraudster, if enough people do this it _will_ become an investigation. The guy(s) did leave more than enough traces for a (high tech) police department to find.

[1] Check www.kvk.nl with the address information; KVK is the Dutch Chamber of Commerce
[2] www.infobel.com/nl/netherlands/bohema_s_gravenhage_b_v/s_gravenhage/NL100070924-0703640475/businessdetails.aspx
[3] plusbedrijf.com/stad/s-gravenhage/surinamestraat
[4] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2185903.msg27582400#msg27582400
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandi
[6] https://www.nforce.com/payments
[7] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=978044

more things to think about. thanks!

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January 12, 2018, 01:40:07 AM
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People have mentioned this before, but when you mess with a man's money, people will go long, sickening lengths to get revenge. The coinsmarkets owner should be very careful with what he decides to do next.
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January 12, 2018, 01:43:17 AM
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Since this is or "was" an exchange,guys start to write to cryptomagazine.....coindesk for example and many more, start to ask to write articles about that.

A lot of crypto magazine fall in love to sgare exchanges scam, and this will bring exposure to go throught to find them.
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January 12, 2018, 01:49:20 AM
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I just checked some of my coins and addresses on coinsmarkets:

My BTC's are in wallet on cm - no transfer (until yet).

BUT my POLIS would be transfered to other wallets

https://explorer.polispay.org/address/PHHp9bpJrkCLG644mwc4oX5rfMiPMyUmVy

i don't know how an exchange works ... it could be that it is normal to transfer coins to a more secure wallet ... but it also could be, that it was a big scam going on.
AND it could also be, that cm was hacked and the dev is shaming himself and give up!

The only one i could determine the last days ... the website (without CloudFlare-info on the site) loads faster and frequently without failures or CloudFlare-info's on the site.
BUT i think the main reason for that is, lesser people will go to the site.

Finally i think - we have to accept, that the site will not come back and our coins are lost ... nearly 10k $ in my case! ;(
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January 12, 2018, 01:50:53 AM
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Isn't ECA talking to the Devs of CoinsMarkets? If they're in direct contact with them then why isn't anyone contacting the DEV team of Electra and getting their input? They may not be interacting with the public or communicating with us but "supposedly" from what I saw in the chat and what I've seen from ECA's team on Reddit and Twitter they're in talks with the team working on the CoinsMarkets site.

So has anyone contacted ECA Devs Team?

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January 12, 2018, 01:57:31 AM
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ECA will be talking with cm? ... sorry, but i don't think that's right ... mailserver from cm is down - so how they will talk to cm?
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January 12, 2018, 01:59:33 AM
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Isn't ECA talking to the Devs of CoinsMarkets? If they're in direct contact with them then why isn't anyone contacting the DEV team of Electra and getting their input? They may not be interacting with the public or communicating with us but "supposedly" from what I saw in the chat and what I've seen from ECA's team on Reddit and Twitter they're in talks with the team working on the CoinsMarkets site.

So has anyone contacted ECA Devs Team?

I think ECA-COINSMARKETS-COINHOUSE-COINCONTROL....all those exchange starting with "coins" and ECA dev are all on the same boat.

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January 12, 2018, 02:11:36 AM
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This is the tweet from january 5, 2018:
https://twitter.com/ElectracoinECA/status/949370463888838657

... "We have yet to hear back from CoinsMarkets", ...


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January 12, 2018, 02:14:43 AM
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I'm sure community involved in this giant and probably exit scam, could really if they want, find the owner and take legal action.

We live in a digital era, where everyone in the world is tracked and leave traces. We found osama bin laden inside a cave, and for sure you guys can find coinsmarkets owner and take proper action against him.

Be togheter,and work togheter.

Osama was allegedly found in a building... not a cave... but that's the official story. He was actually a CIA asset used as the latest bogey man to keep Americans in fear. Just had to clear that up.

I have 1.13 BTC on CM so im in this with you all.

what if... it's run by 1-2 incompetent guys and their culture is really laid back unlike Americans or most ppl who trade. I could see this as a possibility esp. after the stories from Sept. The site seemed to run faster today which is odd... I'm not convinced it's coming back up but I guess 25% of me says there's still a chance.
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January 12, 2018, 02:21:56 AM
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In the very best possible scenario CM is fully incompetent.
Most likely they are petty thieves who have enough skill that they could have made a legit living.
Long term this site could have been an eternal pay day.

Now they get to look over their shoulder for the rest of their lives, who knows who they ripped off.
I never put in enough that it would cause me much harm but I will write it off on my taxes.

More interesting to me are the shills calling people newbs, site is good, yada yada.  Were they paid to post here?  Were they just trolls?  Or were they the site owners putting out more discovery surface?
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January 12, 2018, 02:22:32 AM
Last edit: January 12, 2018, 02:55:37 AM by kshark
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I am programmer for last 35 years. Have been trading on CM since end of November last year. Deposited about 0.08 BTC. Site was a bit slow generally. The tick time for buy/sell updates was.......

If you work as the programmer of 35 years, and still haven't understood as the crypto exchanges are arranged - you are stupid. All personal addresses are tied to the account only for a deposit. All your current balances aren't tied to your addresses. If someone draws a conclusion, then the necessary sum is written off from a purse from all available entrances (which your deposits are). On it it is also useless to check balances through blockchain expolorer.

Whom hasn't reached yet that to administrators of CM to steal our coins, they don't need to transfer them from purses of CM. They and so at them.
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January 12, 2018, 02:26:55 AM
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this but the IP (185.66.143.252) listed where the server is that holds the database has javhub.tv setup as the default domain. If you visit javhub.tv you get the coinsmarket site which means that there is no longer hosting on that server found at that domain but the DNS still points there. Which makes me think that the owners of CM used to run that site ... or they shared it with that site but to run an exchange, I would think, would need all of the resources of the server.

So this could lead to more leads... start searching for javhub.tv. Apparently it was a japanese porn site... but check this link out... it was a business and this has 2 email addresses.

https://hunter.io/companies/javhub.tv

Start searching... This could lead to more info...
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January 12, 2018, 02:40:06 AM
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More info i've gathered:

site was live as recent as oct. 30th
https://web.archive.org/web/*/javhub.tv

their online support went here:
http://support.javonline.net/ (which now goes to the CM site as well)

Alexa shows the site still having traffic but I guess it prob just registers it even if it's not showing the actual porn site.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/javhub.tv


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January 12, 2018, 02:46:17 AM
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Look, I have 10k USD in there. and if they dont come online by next week. I am more than happy to pay another 10k just to catch them even if I dont get any of my money back.

I want the guy pay for what he did. Does anyone know where he is from? The registration says netherlands, but the servers are in san fran.

Based on his shit english, he is not american. If we can even track down a country/city, it gets much much easier.

He ran a different website? Track him down. I am sure I am not the only person on here with $$ to throw around to catch this mother fucker.

Does he really think he can just take all the coins and run away?

He ran other websites, so we will find him.

once we identify who he is, we will hire a private investigator. If its in one of more corrupting countries, then we will tap into the government entities and track him down

If hes from a developed country, we will find his credit card infor and track him down.

either way he will be found and he will pay for what he did. He is a dumb ass for doing this, everyone made bank in crypto, we can easily throw in money.  even at 100k USD, you can pretty much find and punish anyone that is not well connected.

WTF is wrong with this guy?
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