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February 11, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
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Do we have some Devtome admins whose job is specifically to help users with technical support issues

If they are using Windows, ask them to contact K1773R, if they're using Linux, ask them to contact Emfox.

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There's no admin for that, there's a style section:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#style

and there the syntax page:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax

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I think it would be a good idea to have specific admins for writer support if they don't already exist. An alternative would be to have people sign up for certain times where they would be "on call" to handle any support requests as soon as possible.

What is the role of the earnings admin, exactly? I'm wondering if some of this isn't covered by those admins. I'm referring to support with people figuring out the proper syntax, how to set up their invoice page, wanting someone to have a look-see at one of their articles to make sure it's all good, etc.

Actual technical support, as in something is broken, is actually beyond my capability.

weisoq, did the amount of allowed writing shares per round go down to 50? When did this happen?
Guess there's a lot of cross coverage for everybody. For example because I have to at least skim read articles to categorise and file I also forward dodgy or problem issues to article admins. If writers are making things harder by not listing on front page I at least ask them to do so. And if writers or anyone else asks for help I help them.

I don't have a problem with any of that, only the time it takes and then when efforts are not reciprocated. I'm not sure what an earnings admin does.

50 - from round 31: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?&topic=233997.msg4053035#msg4053035
You didn't know? I even quoted your previously discussed article. It doesn't make much practical difference anyway because it was an effort (mostly by me to be honest) to at least keep payments in line with 80 when bounded multipliers were incorporated. So it means good writers can still get max 75 (50 * 1.5), other writers less.
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February 11, 2014, 10:12:37 PM
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Do we have some Devtome admins whose job is specifically to help users with technical support issues

If they are using Windows, ask them to contact K1773R, if they're using Linux, ask them to contact Emfox.

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There's no admin for that, there's a style section:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#style

and there the syntax page:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax


We could create a group of admins for a "help desk."

I would be able to help if we do that.

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February 11, 2014, 10:53:14 PM
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Do we have some Devtome admins whose job is specifically to help users with technical support issues

If they are using Windows, ask them to contact K1773R, if they're using Linux, ask them to contact Emfox.

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There's no admin for that, there's a style section:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#style

and there the syntax page:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax


We could create a group of admins for a "help desk."

I would be able to help if we do that.

It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.
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It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.

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It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.

Busted.

Yea I dont really see them contributing to people asking questions, especially ont he forum, who really has the time to look up a user to send a private message when it is way easier to simply post on a thread?

I haven't seen either of them answer questions, its usually one of us answering people.
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February 12, 2014, 01:38:53 AM
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it would be wise for devcoin developers to apply these patches in a build:

* https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3651
* https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3654

this will protect devcoin users from problems if the transaction malleability griefers turn their attention to altcoins.
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February 12, 2014, 01:39:48 AM
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The round 32 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_32.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_32.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_32.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_32.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_32.csv
http://d.evco.in/receiver/receiver_32.csv
http://show-me-the-devcoin.info/devtome/receiver_32.csv
http://coinfaucets.tk/receiver_32.csv
http://creativecurrencies.cu.cc/wp-content/uploads/receiver_32.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_32.csv

There were 1587 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1587 = 113,422 dvc. Administrator pay is 218.0 shares, 13.7 percent of the total. The value at vircurex is 0.9 mcbtc/dvc, which works out to 0.102 btc. This times the bitstamp price of 662$ gives a share price of 68$.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 32, starting at block 128,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 33:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_33.csv

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February 12, 2014, 01:56:50 AM
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it would be wise for devcoin developers to apply these patches in a build:

* https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3651
* https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3654

this will protect devcoin users from problems if the transaction malleability griefers turn their attention to altcoins.

I want to prove that the current 0.8.5 build can work, and then wait for 0.9.0 to come out to merge in.

Noone can steal coins, it just makes it seem like the coins aren't there, but a rescan should fix that.

Regardless the issue doesn't affect code base 0.8.5 its 0.8.6 where users are reporting seeing the issue.
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Noone can steal coins, it just makes it seem like the coins aren't there, but a rescan should fix that.

Regardless the issue doesn't affect code base 0.8.5 its 0.8.6 where users are reporting seeing the issue.
a rescan does not fix the issue. the issue affects all bitcoin versions. you are right that it doesn't result in stealing coins. it does result in incorrect balance reports and the inability to spend coins.
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February 12, 2014, 02:18:46 AM
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I created the first iteration of the auction business plan:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=auction_business

please review.

Thanks
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Ooops, the bounty is over, but you posted before the last person posted his plan.

I suggest to extend the bounty once more for Jag here and give him a last 6 shares.  Any objections?

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February 12, 2014, 02:26:40 AM
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Noone can steal coins, it just makes it seem like the coins aren't there, but a rescan should fix that.

Regardless the issue doesn't affect code base 0.8.5 its 0.8.6 where users are reporting seeing the issue.
a rescan does not fix the issue. the issue affects all bitcoin versions. you are right that it doesn't result in stealing coins. it does result in incorrect balance reports and the inability to spend coins.
I meant broad sense of rescan if wallet rescan didnt work including blockchain refresh or pvt key importing.

Most devcoin users are techies and not dumb enough to cry the sky is falling..

That said I understand the importance and I think it should be merged in but the right place for it would be we merge in 0.9 unless you can provide a more compelling justification on why it cant wait fir 0.8.5 to be even finalized.
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February 12, 2014, 02:29:58 AM
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I meant broad sense of rescan if wallet rescan didnt work including blockchain refresh or pvt key importing.

Most devcoin users are techies and not dumb enough to cry the sky is falling..

That said I understand the importance and I think it should be merged in but the right place for it would be we merge in 0.9 unless you can provide a more compelling why it cant wait fir 0.8.5 to be even finalized.

The sky is falling!!!

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February 12, 2014, 02:33:00 AM
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I meant broad sense of rescan if wallet rescan didnt work including blockchain refresh or pvt key importing.

Most devcoin users are techies and not dumb enough to cry the sky is falling..

That said I understand the importance and I think it should be merged in but the right place for it would be we merge in 0.9 unless you can provide a more compelling why it cant wait fir 0.8.5 to be even finalized.

The sky is falling!!!
heh didnt you get them back?
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I heard the devcoin team is making a SMF plugin that allows users to tip each other DVC? Is that true? If yes, then where can I find more info?

Is this true?

Perhaps it is the proposed challenge response system for the SMF email capability which you have heard about. The final challenge response system will require a small DVC payment. Other than that nothing comes to mind.

The project bounties are outlined at http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now in case it is something that may have missed my attention.

- Nova

So it is a bounty? In that case do you know anyone who is making it?

The outgoing email capability is being prepared for installation, on our new forum, as an SMF Mod. The incoming emails and challenge response is being handled in a package of stand alone scripts which is awaiting the SMF Mod's completion for distribution. Incoming and outgoing emails, as well as the simple challenge response are now working on the developmental forums. Shattienator and myself have comprised the Project Team.

- Nova

[Edit: Tenthiryone will also be receiving shares for the installation of the finished product on the new forum at http://http://coinzen.org/ ]

[Edit: The payment challenge response has until March 27th (if memory serves) for completion. It would then become an open bounty again if not completed at that time. ]

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It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.

Busted.

Yea I dont really see them contributing to people asking questions, especially ont he forum, who really has the time to look up a user to send a private message when it is way easier to simply post on a thread?

I haven't seen either of them answer questions, its usually one of us answering people.

It's really serious accusation, and let me clarify it.

My admin job is Linux wallet maintainance and help people install on their own linux box. since it's now we actively developing and testing new wallet (and I think I do did something during this phase), I haven't starting packaging an new official one( and have done an testing one, but now no one tested or give me feedbacks).

concerning helping people compiling or installed devcoin wallet in their linux box, there is not much questions there(this forum thread) , and I've answered all those who have posted or directly send pms to me (maybe Hunterbunter can prove it that he has contacted me about devcoind compiling, or installation I don't remember well).

So, I am working as an admin.


Edit: Yes, I confirmed it's Hunterbunter who've contacted me, and also recently question I've answered in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg4355754#msg4355754 . too long this thread is, I woundn't like to dig the whole thread again to find more.

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February 12, 2014, 05:24:02 AM
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It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.

Busted.

Yea I dont really see them contributing to people asking questions, especially ont he forum, who really has the time to look up a user to send a private message when it is way easier to simply post on a thread?

I haven't seen either of them answer questions, its usually one of us answering people.

It's really serious accusation, and let me clarify it.

My admin job is Linux wallet maintainance and help people install on their own linux box. since it's now we actively developing and testing new wallet (and I think I do did something during this phase), I haven't starting packaging an new official one( and have done an testing one, but now no one tested or give me feedbacks).

concerning helping people compiling or installed devcoin wallet in their linux box, there is not much questions there(this forum thread) , and I've answered all those who have posted or directly send pms to me (maybe Hunterbunter can prove it that he has contacted me about devcoind compiling, or installation I don't remember well).

So, I am working as an admin.


Edit: Yes, I confirmed it's Hunterbunter who've contacted me, and also recently question I've answered in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg4355754#msg4355754 . too long this thread is, I woundn't like to dig the whole thread again to find more.

I want to reach out and say that emfox has done well for the Linux portion as far as I know. K1773R is the one I haven't seen around. And although he's being paid for the Windows side of things, it doesn't look like he's even the one in charge now (but rather Sidhujag, I think?). I brought this up to UTB a couple days ago but haven't heard anything back.
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It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.

Busted.

Yea I dont really see them contributing to people asking questions, especially ont he forum, who really has the time to look up a user to send a private message when it is way easier to simply post on a thread?

I haven't seen either of them answer questions, its usually one of us answering people.

It's really serious accusation, and let me clarify it.

My admin job is Linux wallet maintainance and help people install on their own linux box. since it's now we actively developing and testing new wallet (and I think I do did something during this phase), I haven't starting packaging an new official one( and have done an testing one, but now no one tested or give me feedbacks).

concerning helping people compiling or installed devcoin wallet in their linux box, there is not much questions there(this forum thread) , and I've answered all those who have posted or directly send pms to me (maybe Hunterbunter can prove it that he has contacted me about devcoind compiling, or installation I don't remember well).

So, I am working as an admin.


Edit: Yes, I confirmed it's Hunterbunter who've contacted me, and also recently question I've answered in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg4355754#msg4355754 . too long this thread is, I woundn't like to dig the whole thread again to find more.

ive asked repeatedly for someone to build me a linux build and I didnt get anything from you in an answer.. But maybe thats my fault i should have pmed you instead.. I didnt mean to sound harsh just seemed like Im left to try to find the right people to do the right things.. we need more coordination to roll out products and the source is our new product. Tomorrow we have another release happens I expect it to go smoother everytime.. we all are on one team and we should try to help whenever we can. Im not sure but I thought admins should be answering questions on the thread too? Do people expect to be redirected everytime to the right admin?

Im still not sure whos in charge of what until I reread the csv file but he better we work together the better it will reflect in the community and as a result our future here in crypto.

Your a wallet admin right? Ive seem many posts general ones about the wallet regarding missing coins or  checking balanced on the blockchain.. as a wallet admin regardless of os isnt that something you should know? If noone else knows the internals of a wallet then who will help them?
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It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.

Busted.

Yea I dont really see them contributing to people asking questions, especially ont he forum, who really has the time to look up a user to send a private message when it is way easier to simply post on a thread?

I haven't seen either of them answer questions, its usually one of us answering people.

It's really serious accusation, and let me clarify it.

My admin job is Linux wallet maintainance and help people install on their own linux box. since it's now we actively developing and testing new wallet (and I think I do did something during this phase), I haven't starting packaging an new official one( and have done an testing one, but now no one tested or give me feedbacks).

concerning helping people compiling or installed devcoin wallet in their linux box, there is not much questions there(this forum thread) , and I've answered all those who have posted or directly send pms to me (maybe Hunterbunter can prove it that he has contacted me about devcoind compiling, or installation I don't remember well).

So, I am working as an admin.


Edit: Yes, I confirmed it's Hunterbunter who've contacted me, and also recently question I've answered in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg4355754#msg4355754 . too long this thread is, I woundn't like to dig the whole thread again to find more.

ive asked repeatedly for someone to build me a linux build and I didnt get anything from you in an answer.. But maybe thats my fault i should have pmed you instead.. I didnt mean to sound harsh just seemed like Im left to try to find the right people to do the right things.. we need more coordination to roll out products and the source is our new product. Tomorrow we have another release happens I expect it to go smoother everytime.. we all are on one team and we should try to help whenever we can. Im not sure but I thought admins should be answering questions on the thread too? Do people expect to be redirected everytime to the right admin?

Im still not sure whos in charge of what until I reread the csv file but he better we work together the better it will reflect in the community and as a result our future here in crypto.

Your a wallet admin right? Ive seem many posts general ones about the wallet regarding missing coins or  checking balanced on the blockchain.. as a wallet admin regardless of os isnt that something you should know? If noone else knows the internals of a wallet then who will help them?

ok, I admit sometimes I may be missing some questions not linux concerned, it should be my fault if I know the answer but not answering it.

Talking to the wallet maintaince. I think I have expressed my meaning and plan of linux version, let me say it in detail again here:
1. people using devcoind more often than devcoin-qt (gui version, I mean) in linux environment
2. those who using devcoind is mostly would like to build devcoind themself rather than using pre-built binarys, so it not urgent to redistribute binary version for linux
3. I haven't find suitable and graceful way of building linux version of devcoin-qt, and concerning both the static and dynamic link method, though I've built an ugly one, but no one seems have test it.
4. the current makefile manual hack cause some issue (like you should wipe */.deps first before doing linux build), and I'd like to use automake/autoconf building system that bitcoin 0.8.6 already use, which is beatiful and os independent, but I heard you'd like to wait till 0.8.5 of devcoin became stable and matual before we move forward, so I'm still thinking I should wait or port it myself first ...

and last, a little busy myself recently, so I haven't rebuild any new version of linux wallet.  but I do actively testing the wallet, I've used 1.0.7 1.0.9 1.0.13 1.0.14 1.0.15, and redistributed some version (1.0.13 or .9?) to my friend, encourage them to use and testing our shinning new wallet. some of them lost 250,000 devcoins due to the fee issue, I just covered this myself because I realised it's a kind of support to devcoin development while the one who lost his coins didn't think so.

Edit: I found the reply I post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg4613062#msg4613062 , that was exactly me and only built the linux test version.

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It's really not needed. General questions are easy enough to answer. The technical questions go to K1773R and Emfox. In fact, this is what they're being paid to do as part of their jobs on a round-by-round basis.

Busted.

Yea I dont really see them contributing to people asking questions, especially ont he forum, who really has the time to look up a user to send a private message when it is way easier to simply post on a thread?

I haven't seen either of them answer questions, its usually one of us answering people.

It's really serious accusation, and let me clarify it.

My admin job is Linux wallet maintainance and help people install on their own linux box. since it's now we actively developing and testing new wallet (and I think I do did something during this phase), I haven't starting packaging an new official one( and have done an testing one, but now no one tested or give me feedbacks).

concerning helping people compiling or installed devcoin wallet in their linux box, there is not much questions there(this forum thread) , and I've answered all those who have posted or directly send pms to me (maybe Hunterbunter can prove it that he has contacted me about devcoind compiling, or installation I don't remember well).

So, I am working as an admin.


Edit: Yes, I confirmed it's Hunterbunter who've contacted me, and also recently question I've answered in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg4355754#msg4355754 . too long this thread is, I woundn't like to dig the whole thread again to find more.

ive asked repeatedly for someone to build me a linux build and I didnt get anything from you in an answer.. But maybe thats my fault i should have pmed you instead.. I didnt mean to sound harsh just seemed like Im left to try to find the right people to do the right things.. we need more coordination to roll out products and the source is our new product. Tomorrow we have another release happens I expect it to go smoother everytime.. we all are on one team and we should try to help whenever we can. Im not sure but I thought admins should be answering questions on the thread too? Do people expect to be redirected everytime to the right admin?

Im still not sure whos in charge of what until I reread the csv file but he better we work together the better it will reflect in the community and as a result our future here in crypto.

Your a wallet admin right? Ive seem many posts general ones about the wallet regarding missing coins or  checking balanced on the blockchain.. as a wallet admin regardless of os isnt that something you should know? If noone else knows the internals of a wallet then who will help them?

ok, I admit sometimes I may be missing some questions not linux concerned, it should be my fault if I know the answer but not answering it.

Talking to the wallet maintaince. I think I have expressed my meaning and plan of linux version, let me say it in detail again here:
1. people using devcoind more often than devcoin-qt (gui version, I mean) in linux environment
2. those who using devcoind is mostly would like to build devcoind themself rather than using pre-built binarys, so it not urgent to redistribute binary version for linux
3. I haven't find suitable and graceful way of building linux version of devcoin-qt, and concerning both the static and dynamic link method, though I've built an ugly one, but no one seems have test it.
4. the current makefile manual hack cause some issue (like you should wipe */.deps first before doing linux build), and I'd like to use automake/autoconf building system that bitcoin 0.8.6 already use, which is beatiful and os independent, but I heard you'd like to wait till 0.8.5 of devcoin became stable and matual before we move forward, so I'm still thinking I should wait or port it myself first ...

and last, a little busy myself recently, so I haven't rebuild any new version of linux wallet.  but I do actively testing the wallet, I've used 1.0.7 1.0.9 1.0.13 1.0.14 1.0.15, and redistributed some version (1.0.13 or .9?) to my friend, encourage them to use and testing our shinning new wallet. some of them lost 250,000 devcoins due to the fee issue, I just covered this myself because I realised it's a kind of support to devcoin development while the one who lost his coins didn't think so.

Edit: I found the reply I post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg4613062#msg4613062 , that was exactly me and only built the linux test version.


Ok thanks for the good work.. I think the makefile for linux in the repository should be building so I would need the file so I can update the source. Maybe HunterBunter can supply this file since he compiled thr daemon fine.

We should give a distributable for all OS its what others do. Hopefully we are close to having our first merged block so we can move on.. If you would like please see if you can get the cross platform building working and I can try to help but if you know what to do with it your already ahead of me.

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