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October 21, 2014, 07:25:29 AM
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You act as if HF is the first company in history to go bankrupt despite having a superior product, but you are far too old for that to be the case.   Smiley

If you consider the HF produced equipment to be a 'superior product' then that tells a lot about the low low standards you live by...

Only one out of 4 units that arrived here performed as spec'd out. The rest had to run crippled for an entire month until there was finally a software fix that disabled one of the cores, making the systems now to run at 3/4 speeds. That is surely a superior yield...

Oh did I forget to mention the superior product arrived over 2 months late, rendering it totally useless?

Why do you keep defending HF like you are Hashfast_CL's retarded little sister? "We got the fastest chip". Who cares. Bottom line  matters: HF did not deliver a working solution to their customers on time. And it turns out that most of it is to blame to incompetence too.

I care about the fact that HF has the fastest chip because how much that IP fetches at auction directly affects how much we customers will be compensated for their delays.

You don't need to rehash well known history regarding late shipments.  We were all here for that and some of us don't like to wallow in self-pity, as is your preference.

I'm not "defending" anything but the fact that per mm sq of wafer, HF's chip is the fastest.  The chip is the best, although the first boards and early firmware held it back.

Why are you so dead set on beating up on a company that is already in bankruptcy, to the point of straining to put down their great technology?

Are you just mad that I won't join your pity party and whine with you about how nothing HF ever did was any good?   Cheesy


Yes the golden nonce is very good in terms of $/gh (~$0.1/gh I'd guess) but the w/gh is horrible

Thank you for being reasonable.  Did you know the GN1 is very fuel efficient if you underclock it?  You can get it down to about 0.5GH/w at around half speed.


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October 21, 2014, 07:49:29 AM
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I care about the fact that HF has the fastest chip because how much that IP fetches at auction directly affects how much we customers will be compensated for their delays.

Oh now we have to feel sorry for good old HF and not mention anything negative, because it will decrease the resale value? "we customers will be compensated" are  you kidding me? By dangling that carrot in front of us you basically think we are just as stupid as a mule?

What is this, Stockholm syndrome? Battered Woman Syndrome?


I'm not "defending" anything but the fact that per mm sq of wafer, HF's chip is the fastest.  The chip is the best, although the first boards and early firmware held it back.

Why are you so dead set on beating up on a company that is already in bankruptcy, to the point of straining to put down their great technology?

"their great technology" is basically now worthless and has no future resale value. Nothing has been done with it over the last 9 months. It missed the boat. "It's dead Jim"
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October 21, 2014, 07:54:29 AM
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I care about the fact that HF has the fastest chip because how much that IP fetches at auction directly affects how much we customers will be compensated for their delays.

Please just stop with the fastest chip nonsense. It's not the fastest chip nor is it the most gh/s to be put on a substrate.

What matters is the $/gh. Yes hashfast has a very good $/gh but you cannot say it's the best because you don't know what everyone else pays.

From what I've extrapolated AM/Bitmain/KNC/Innosilicon/Spondooliestech all pay ~$0.1-0.2/gh at the wafer like Hashfast.

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Yes the golden nonce is very good in terms of $/gh (~$0.1/gh I'd guess) but the w/gh is horrible

Thank you for being reasonable.  Did you know the GN1 is very fuel efficient if you underclock it?  You can get it down to about 0.5GH/w at around half speed.

Source?

Hashfast's own misleading chart says otherwise:



That says the GN would need to be underclocked to 220gh/s for ~0.55w/gh at the chip which equates to ~0.7 w/gh at the wall and ~$0.6/gh at the wafer.

Overall the it would be mildly impressive for a $1m standard cell design but it's garbage for a $15m full custom.
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October 21, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
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"their great technology" is basically now worthless and has no future resale value. Nothing has been done with it over the last 9 months. It missed the boat. "It's dead Jim"

"Nothing?" Umm, except for the GN1.5 respin and GN2 design work, plus the Yoli EVO and Habanero boards.

But you just want to cry and bellyache freely, unfettered by inconvenient facts.  There, there.  Let it all out.  Scream into your pillow.  Now do you feel better?   Smiley

the golden nonce is very good in terms of $/gh (~$0.1/gh I'd guess)

That doesn't sound "worthless."  Having the masks ready to be fabricated into wafers at TSMC seems like a desirable asset, especially if the price of BTC picks up.


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October 21, 2014, 08:19:18 AM
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That doesn't sound "worthless."  Having the masks ready to be fabricated into wafers at TSMC seems like a desirable asset, especially if the price of BTC picks up.
Only if they get the rev4 and rev5 ready after that they have been fooling around with them for months, while we were paying their salaries.

And as you said, only if the BTC price skyrockets and the rest of the competition isn't able to keep up with the demand... That is simply not gonna happen.

So yeah, that's another bullshit post.

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October 21, 2014, 08:29:28 AM
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That doesn't sound "worthless."  Having the masks ready to be fabricated into wafers at TSMC seems like a desirable asset, especially if the price of BTC picks up.
Only if they get the rev4 and rev5 ready after that they have been fooling around with them for months, while we were paying their salaries.

And as you said, only if the BTC price skyrockets and the rest of the competition isn't able to keep up with the demand... That is simply not gonna happen.

So yeah, that's another bullshit post.

The Habanero and Yoli boards work great.  And how do you know the price of BTC "is simply not gonna" retest or surpass previous highs?

 BTW, thanks for paying those salaries while HF was "fooling around."   Wink


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October 21, 2014, 08:34:49 AM
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The Habanero and Yoli boards work great.  And how do you know the price of BTC "is simply not gonna" retest or surpass previous highs?

BTW, thanks for paying those salaries while HF was "fooling around."   Wink
I didn't say that the bitcoin price is not probably gonna grow in the future. I said that even when that happens, HF won't be there ready to take orders. They will have already closed shop (thanks to the salaries, to start with), or the competition will be able to eat the market almost completely, leaving nothing to our beloved company.

The rev3 design, or pushing a chip to it's limits, is shit design and you know it. It would have made sense in October 2013.

About the salaries, there is no need to worry. I can't wait until something finally happens to the people that doubled their salaries or more while their company was unable to ship shit and didn't have a cent in the bank.

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October 21, 2014, 08:53:33 AM
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The Habanero and Yoli boards work great.  And how do you know the price of BTC "is simply not gonna" retest or surpass previous highs?

BTW, thanks for paying those salaries while HF was "fooling around."   Wink
I didn't say that the bitcoin price is not probably gonna grow in the future. I said that even when that happens, HF won't be there ready to take orders. They will have already closed shop (thanks to the salaries, to start with), or the competition will be able to eat the market almost completely, leaving nothing to our beloved company.

The rev3 design, or pushing a chip to it's limits, is shit design and you know it. It would have made sense in October 2013.

About the salaries, there is no need to worry. I can't wait until something finally happens to the people that doubled their salaries or more while their company was unable to ship shit and didn't have a cent in the bank.

HF hasn't "closed shop."  Don't you listen to those nice mp3s of the court hearings you post?  Or do you just not understand them?   Cheesy

HF is still selling 750GH/s chips (or if you're a pedant they will sell you a multi-chip modules) and wafers, dev kits, power supplies, etc.

They are open to discussing deals with anyone who is interested in the technology.  The Habanero/Yolo aren't "shit designs" and pushing the chip to its maximum performance is what a good board design is supposed to do.  The GN1 has internal thermal regulation, so all your fake scarey talk about "ZOMG LIMITS" is just fear-mongering with no basis in reality.

The CTO was working for far less than prevailing market wages and HF could not afford to lose him, which is why his salary doubled.

That decision has already been picked apart in court, where the Judge, US Attorney, and about a other dozen lawyers decided there was nothing wrong with it.

Your much-heralded lawyer wasn't part of that process, but I'm sure he would have reached the same conclusion as everyone else, that at this point Monday Morning Quarterbacking and 20/20 hindsight don't make a bit of difference.

So you'll be waiting forever until "something finally happens" to HF's CTO.  Unless you are making a personal threat, which I'm sure we'd love to hear more about...   Undecided


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October 21, 2014, 09:07:11 AM
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God, why did I try to have a civil discussion with you? How not, now I'm making "personal threats". Like if you didn't use that bullshit a dozen times before and I didn't always specified them to be lawsuits, that I wanted since the very beginning of this process. As I said before, keep that kind of bullshit for your lawyer.

Do you want to quote the judge? How about you don't quote the "it doesn't compute" part?

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October 21, 2014, 11:21:35 AM
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iCEBREAKER please tell us more about the GN1 being a full custom chip so people can laugh at you even more. I am also willing to put some bitcoins on a bet, but I know that you are too much of a pussy to take it.

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October 21, 2014, 03:34:28 PM
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OIC, you are just trolling and trying to make me think I'd forgotten my ASIC vocabulary.

KnC's first chip was standard cell.  HF's GN1 is full custom.  That's why it is so much faster than the competitions!

750 GH on a single chip.  Still an unbeaten record.   Cool

"Fastest" chip from the fastest mining company bankruptcy in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

How many bitcoins are you willing to bet on GN1 being full custom?
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October 21, 2014, 04:26:28 PM
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[$0.35/GH to $0.60/GH] Bankrupted HashFast Hardware Sale

Kinda of one of the very best pricing in the market?

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October 21, 2014, 04:48:47 PM
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[$0.35/GH to $0.60/GH] Bankrupted HashFast Hardware Sale

Kinda of one of the very best pricing in the market?

No, I'm not IceBreaker.

no word about W/GH?  Wink
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October 21, 2014, 05:01:18 PM
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God, why did I try to have a civil discussion with you? How not, now I'm making "personal threats". Like if you didn't use that bullshit a dozen times before and I didn't always specified them to be lawsuits, that I wanted since the very beginning of this process. As I said before, keep that kind of bullshit for your lawyer.

Do you want to quote the judge? How about you don't quote the "it doesn't compute" part?

I'd welcome a civil discussion, but we're not going to be able to have one when you keep making vaguely threatening statements like "I can't wait until something finally happens" to HF's CTO, after the court already accepted his raise to normal prevailing wages.

You were asked to clarify exactly what your "I can't wait until something finally happens" statement meant.  It could mean things much less lelzy than your "lawsuit" and one can't be to careful when dealing with internet nutters.   Tongue


Oh look, PuertoLibre is having trouble understanding the difference between a successful company and a successful technology.   Roll Eyes

Apparently he thinks that HF's GN1 chip suddenly became slower when they filed for bankruptcy.   Cheesy

"Hurr durr HF is bankrupt hurr HF is bad durr that must mean their chip won't go at 750GH/s no more durr because it's associated with a company that went broke."

What a perfect example of mentation by association vs thinking by form.


RoadStress, tell us more about how the GN1 is a standard cell ASIC.  How many BTC are you going wager on the GN1 being standard cell?   Grin

Fact is, the GN1 is still state-of-the-art regardless of HF's financial situation:



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BTW, the next-gen GN2 is full custom!


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October 21, 2014, 05:25:50 PM
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no word about W/GH?  Wink
Yeah, it sucks, but it's there, 0.8 to 1.1J/GH.

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RoadStress, tell us more about how the GN1 is a standard cell ASIC.  How many BTC are you going wager on the GN1 being standard cell?   Grin

Fact is, the GN1 is still state-of-the-art regardless of HF's financial situation:

BTW, the next-gen GN2 is full custom!

So GN1 is full custom and GN2 is full custom? I got it right? What would be the improvement then?

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RoadStress, tell us more about how the GN1 is a standard cell ASIC.  How many BTC are you going wager on the GN1 being standard cell?   Grin

Fact is, the GN1 is still state-of-the-art regardless of HF's financial situation:

BTW, the next-gen GN2 is full custom!

So GN1 is full custom and GN2 is full custom? I got it right? What would be the improvement then?

Besides being full custom, the GN2 is 16nm.

Why don't you just tell us the term for chips like the GN1, which are somewhere between standard cell and full custom?

Is it "partial custom?"


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October 21, 2014, 08:39:23 PM
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RoadStress, tell us more about how the GN1 is a standard cell ASIC.  How many BTC are you going wager on the GN1 being standard cell?   Grin

Fact is, the GN1 is still state-of-the-art regardless of HF's financial situation:

BTW, the next-gen GN2 is full custom!

So GN1 is full custom and GN2 is full custom? I got it right? What would be the improvement then?

Besides being full custom, the GN2 is 16nm.

Why don't you just tell us the term for chips like the GN1, which are somewhere between standard cell and full custom?

Is it "partial custom?"

So now the GN1 is not full custom? Didn't you just stated that it is?

The term between I think it's structured ASIC, but I may be wrong. This is an unknown field to me.

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It doesn't matter how good the chips are if the company making it are scammers/incompetent. Ice just face the facts HashFast is a failure and needs to go away.

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October 21, 2014, 09:17:07 PM
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It doesn't matter how good the chips are if the company making it are scammers/incompetent. Ice just face the facts HashFast is a failure and needs to go away.

Yup. It's that fu*king simple :-)
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