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October 18, 2014, 05:12:08 AM
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And HF with the resources they stole, look what they did; you're so much better than the hobbyist who attempted to step up his game ___. <-- fill in the blank.
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October 18, 2014, 07:55:07 AM
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So is there any likelihood of getting any refunds at all for those who first sued via class action lawsuit??
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October 18, 2014, 08:11:23 AM
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It was also possible for BTC to collapse.  So what?

In which case they would provide BTC refunds. Simon promised BTC refunds, when he really meant "We'll give you the smallest refund possible. If bitcoin goes down, we'll provide BTC refunds, if bitcoin goes up, we'll provide USD refunds."

Correct. Simon said "BTC" refunds not USD. He'd have otherwise provided specific clarifications obviously. Bartering and non-legal tender is not explicitly forbidden for transactions among private individuals for California businesses at all so that argument can go to sleep. In any case, whatever we may dream of, back when he said it there was no other literal interpretation irrespective of whatever the Supreme Court or any other legal institution ultimately decides. His intention was clear (yes, very stupid of him because that's very risky but nonetheless sufficiently conclusive). Let's move on...
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October 18, 2014, 03:37:49 PM
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Simon said "BTC" refunds not USD. He'd have otherwise provided specific clarifications obviously. Bartering and non-legal tender is not explicitly forbidden for transactions among private individuals for California businesses at all so that argument can go to sleep. In any case, whatever we may dream of, back when he said it there was no other literal interpretation irrespective of whatever the Supreme Court or any other legal institution ultimately decides. His intention was clear (yes, very stupid of him because that's very risky but nonetheless sufficiently conclusive). Let's move on...

The only reasonable interpretation of "BTC refunds" is a refund of the purchase price (which was always in USD) via BTC as a medium of exchange.

Other interpretations are not reasonable because they would imply a windfall in the event of BTC appreciation or a loss in the event of BTC depreciation, neither of which are logical, much less legally permissible.

If you chose to seek to take advantage of a "very stupid" and "very risky" interpretation because you are greedy, you got what you deserved.   Wink


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October 18, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
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The only reasonable interpretation of "BTC refunds" is a refund of the purchase price (which was always in USD) via BTC as a medium of exchange.

Other interpretations are not reasonable because they would imply a windfall in the event of BTC appreciation or a loss in the event of BTC depreciation, neither of which are logical, much less legally permissible.

If you chose to seek to take advantage of a "very stupid" and "very risky" interpretation because you are greedy, you got what you deserved.   Wink

"Full BTC Refunds" isn't interpretable in any way. It is what it is no matter how much shit you can eat!

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October 18, 2014, 03:56:01 PM
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The only reasonable interpretation of "BTC refunds" is a refund of the purchase price (which was always in USD) via BTC as a medium of exchange.

Other interpretations are not reasonable because they would imply a windfall in the event of BTC appreciation or a loss in the event of BTC depreciation, neither of which are logical, much less legally permissible.

If you chose to seek to take advantage of a "very stupid" and "very risky" interpretation because you are greedy, you got what you deserved.   Wink

"Full BTC Refunds" isn't interpretable in any way. It is what it is no matter how much shit you can eat!

Au contraire, the facts of recent history demonstrate ample confusion over the conflicting interpretations, as well as the superiority of the reasonable and legal one.

"Full" means the full purchase price, which was always in USD.  "BTC" means BTC are provided as a pro rata substitute exchange medium for USD.

Your pouty stubborn foot stomping, butthurt anger, and resulting scatological insults only emphasize the paucity of your intellect and argument.    Smiley


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October 18, 2014, 06:17:53 PM
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you seem to be one of these (most of the time very young, delusional or in a state called 'denial of reality') persons, which believe, if they repeat something again and again, it will magically become reality/truth.

Many showed you this many times, will you be able to comprehend one day?

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Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for your patience while I got the answer for you, I greatly appreciate it.

The answer is if you buy Baby Jet for 51 BitCoins today and it does not ship, you will be refunded the 51 BitCoins you paid.

I hope that helps and hope you have a good weekend!

Thanks,
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October 18, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
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The only reasonable interpretation of "BTC refunds" is a refund of the purchase price (which was always in USD) via BTC as a medium of exchange.

Other interpretations are not reasonable because they would imply a windfall in the event of BTC appreciation or a loss in the event of BTC depreciation, neither of which are logical, much less legally permissible.

If you chose to seek to take advantage of a "very stupid" and "very risky" interpretation because you are greedy, you got what you deserved.   Wink

"Full BTC Refunds" isn't interpretable in any way. It is what it is no matter how much shit you can eat!

Au contraire, the facts of recent history demonstrate ample confusion over the conflicting interpretations, as well as the superiority of the reasonable and legal one.

"Full" means the full purchase price, which was always in USD.  "BTC" means BTC are provided as a pro rata substitute exchange medium for USD.

Your pouty stubborn foot stomping, butthurt anger, and resulting scatological insults only emphasize the paucity of your intellect and argument.    Smiley

Cara disagrees with you!

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October 18, 2014, 06:41:22 PM
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you seem to be one of these (most of the time very young, delusional or in a state called 'denial of reality') persons, which believe, if they repeat something very often, it will magically become reality/truth.

Many showed you this many times, will you be able to comprehend one day?

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Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for your patience while I got the answer for you, I greatly appreciate it.

The answer is if you buy Baby Jet for 51 BitCoins today and it does not ship, you will be refunded the 51 BitCoins you paid.

I hope that helps and hope you have a good weekend!

Thanks,
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You guys are just giving icebreaker permission to once again spew verbal diarrhea with these cyclical arguments.

Fact is that HF offerred full btc refunds ONLY to aquire more customers.

They did not intend on actually giving the full btc refunds unless they made a profit doing so. (If the price of btc drops). They were gambling on the exchange rate and they lost.

According to icebreaker it's your fault for not being a psychic who would have known from the start that they are greedy scammers who don't give a rats ass about a contract but everyone else will agree it's not the victims fault.

This whole argument about btc vs usd refunds is pointless because hashfast could would not do either.

Hashfast is a fraud for losing 100% of their customers preorder money when production costs should have been no more than 10%. Simple as that.
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October 18, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
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you seem to be one of these (most of the time very young, delusional or in a state called 'denial of reality') persons, which believe, if they repeat something very often, it will magically become reality/truth.

Many showed you this many times, will you be able to comprehend one day?

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Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for your patience while I got the answer for you, I greatly appreciate it.

The answer is if you buy Baby Jet for 51 BitCoins today and it does not ship, you will be refunded the 51 BitCoins you paid.

I hope that helps and hope you have a good weekend!

Thanks,
Cara

You guys are just giving icebreaker permission to once again spew verbal diarrhea with these cyclical arguments.

Fact is that HF offerred full btc refunds ONLY to aquire more customers.

They did not intend on actually giving the full btc refunds unless they made a profit doing so. (If the price of btc drops). They were gambling on the exchange rate and they lost.

According to icebreaker it's your fault for not being a psychic who would have known from the start that they are greedy scammers who don't give a rats ass about a contract but everyone else will agree it's not the victims fault.

This whole argument about btc vs usd refunds is pointless because hashfast could would not do either.

Hashfast is a fraud for losing 100% of their customers preorder money when production costs should have been no more than 10%. Simple as that.

Repeating your debunked interpretation of HF's offer to optionally issue refunds via the same medium of exchange offered as a convenience to customers won't make it true.

Only us windfall seekers were "gambling on an exchange rate" "to make a profit."   Roll Eyes

HF's profit was realized in the normal manner by being included in the USD denominated sales price. Gambling on partial refunds in deflated BTC would never be approved or allowed by HF's lawyers, because it would be illegal.  HF planned to ship products, not issue refunds, so please save your conspiracy theories for the infowars forum.

As everyone in the world knows except you dead-enders, the customer support rep's response was made ceteris paribus (IE assuming the USD:BTC rate would remain constant).  Besides, an email from a customer support rep doesn't carry any weight in this argument, but merely partially explains the intensity of the confusion and butthurt. 

Compounding that confusion and resulting butthurt is the adamant confirmation bias of you who still bitterly cling to that email as if it matters more than the TOS and well established anti-windfall precepts of equity in contract law.

Part of the due diligence we failed to do would be asking an attorney if our windfall-seeking interpretation of HF representatives' statements were reasonable, much less enforceable.  Please note that I pointedly included myself in the previous statement.   Tongue

Pout and rant about "rat's asses" and "diarrhea" all you want, but it won't make you right.  Any court will tell you the same obvious things I am, and I'd really like to see you respond to a judge with the same childish scatological attacks you make on me.   Cheesy


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October 18, 2014, 07:48:37 PM
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You guys are just giving icebreaker permission to once again spew verbal diarrhea with these cyclical arguments.

Fact is that HF offerred full btc refunds ONLY to aquire more customers.

They did not intend on actually giving the full btc refunds unless they made a profit doing so. (If the price of btc drops). They were gambling on the exchange rate and they lost.

According to icebreaker it's your fault for not being a psychic who would have known from the start that they are greedy scammers who don't give a rats ass about a contract but everyone else will agree it's not the victims fault.

This whole argument about btc vs usd refunds is pointless because hashfast could would not do either.

Hashfast is a fraud for losing 100% of their customers preorder money when production costs should have been no more than 10%. Simple as that.

I propose to quote this post every time that idiot replies.

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October 18, 2014, 08:17:02 PM
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Hashfast is a fraud for losing 100% of their customers preorder money when production costs should have been no more than 10%. Simple as that.

I propose to quote this post every time that idiot replies.

HF didn't "lose 100% of their customers preorder money."  That is a lie.

The notion that "production costs should have been no more than 10%" is false.

Your idiotic willingness to embrace such obvious falsehoods demonstrates the adamant confirmation bias to which I previously referred.   Wink



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the amount of times you mention "butt" and "ass" in your posts indicates, that you possibly suffer under a mental condition known as "anal retentive".

Why not ask your therapist about that the next time you guys meet?
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Hashfast is a fraud for losing 100% of their customers preorder money when production costs should have been no more than 10%. Simple as that.

I propose to quote this post every time that idiot replies.

HF didn't "lose 100% of their customers preorder money."  That is a lie.

Where did the money go?

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The notion that "production costs should have been no more than 10%" is false.

How much do you think they spent on production costs?

Last I checked hashfast was trying to "liquidate" their hardware at inflated prices and that was around $1/gh.

Why is it that every other company spent less than $1/gh on production costs but hashfast supposedly spent all $10/gh?

Please don't include NRE costs because we all know that was covered before tapeout/taking preorders.

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Your idiotic willingness to embrace such obvious falsehoods demonstrates the adamant confirmation bias to which I previously referred.   Wink

How are we supposed to take you seriously when all you literally do is spread falsehoods/misconceptions?

Sidenote: I'd love to know how you can have absolutely no shame.

How can you advertise a scam, get scammed, then defend the scam once everyone's been scammed?

Is it stockholm syndrome or do you make money off of this?
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HF didn't "lose 100% of their customers preorder money."  That is a lie.


Agreed. Probably 10% were spent for notebooks, another 10 for relocation costs, 10 more to bribe the mafia to not burn down another house and the most of the rest dissolved through noses, cunts and/or asses or plain air.
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Hashfast is a fraud for losing 100% of their customers preorder money when production costs should have been no more than 10%. Simple as that.

I propose to quote this post every time that idiot replies.

HF didn't "lose 100% of their customers preorder money."  That is a lie.

Where did the money go?

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The notion that "production costs should have been no more than 10%" is false.

How much do you think they spent on production costs?

Last I checked hashfast was trying to "liquidate" their hardware at inflated prices and that was around $1/gh.

Why is it that every other company spent less than $1/gh on production costs but hashfast supposedly spent all $10/gh?

Please don't include NRE costs because we all know that was covered before tapeout/taking preorders.

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Your idiotic willingness to embrace such obvious falsehoods demonstrates the adamant confirmation bias to which I previously referred.   Wink

How are we supposed to take you seriously when all you literally do is spread falsehoods/misconceptions?

Sidenote: I'd love to know how you can have absolutely no shame.

How can you advertise a scam, get scammed, then defend the scam once everyone's been scammed?

Is it stockholm syndrome or do you make money off of this?

You are laboring under the false premise that HF is a scam.

How many times do you need to be told that HF is in Chapter 11, which means that a Bankruptcy Judge, a specialized US Attorney, and a dozen other lawyers analyzed HF's income and expenses and came to the conclusion that HF not a scam, but ran out of money and deserves the chance to pull out of its tailspin?

Are you a fucking idiot, or do you just enjoy repeating a defamatory label even though it has already been thoroughly demonstrated to be inapplicable?   Huh


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October 18, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
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the customer support rep's response was made ceteris paribus (IE assuming the USD:BTC rate would remain constant).

We showed an actual email from a HashFast representative that clearly states the full btc refund claim. Now show a quote that proves your claim.

Waiting.........

Oh, that's right, you're making up that claim. Fuckin Liar.

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the customer support rep's response was made ceteris paribus (IE assuming the USD:BTC rate would remain constant).

We showed an actual email from a HashFast representative that clearly states the full btc refund claim. Now show a quote that proves your claim.

Waiting.........

Oh, that's right, you're making up that claim. Fuckin Liar.

I've already repeatedly explained why the ceteris paribus interpretation is reasonable (WINDFALLS BAD; WINDFALLS NOT LEGAL) and why your greedy interpretation (WINDFALLS GOOD; GIVE ME WINDFALL) is unreasonable.

That email doesn't prove what you think it proves. 

If you think it does, file suit and take it to court so the nice judge can sorely disappoint you.  Otherwise, stop talking beyond your appallingly low education/competence levels and STFU.   Smiley


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David Chaum 1996
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October 18, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
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ANGRY



and: if I read the word 'windfall' one more time in this thread, I'm going to wish it away (the thread).
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October 18, 2014, 10:16:42 PM
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I've already repeatedly explained why the ceteris paribus interpretation is reasonable (WINDFALLS BAD; WINDFALLS NOT LEGAL) and why your greedy interpretation (WINDFALLS GOOD; GIVE ME WINDFALL) is unreasonable.

And I've explained to you, " (IE assuming the USD:BTC rate would remain constant)." is impossible, because the USD:BTC rate never remains constant, especially over the course of several months. The email, and other quotes from HF, were very clear. Your attempts to excuse their reneging on a promise is abominable.

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