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October 20, 2014, 09:14:14 PM
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HF wasn't first. That's yet another of his bullshit.

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October 20, 2014, 10:15:48 PM
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HF wasn't first. That's yet another of his bullshit.

HF was the first full custom 28nm ASIC.  KnC used a shortcut.

That's why we ordered from them, if you can remember that far back.   Smiley


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October 20, 2014, 10:26:52 PM
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I don't care about BTC. I paid in USD and never got it back.

It means that it was used for embezzlement. Or simply stolen. It's that hashfuc#ing simple...
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October 20, 2014, 10:27:01 PM
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HF was the first full custom 28nm ASIC.  KnC used a shortcut.
Shortcut that made them something like a hundred million dollars.

But yeah, have fun bragging about the full custom asic while they were lying to our very faces about the never arrived promised pictures of the board ... That remember, were covered by a NDA!


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October 20, 2014, 10:32:40 PM
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HF was the first full custom 28nm ASIC.  KnC used a shortcut.

That's why we ordered from them, if you can remember that far back.   Smiley

Hmm full custom you say? That's impossible! HF chip can't be a full custom chip. If it is the it must be the worst implementation ever!

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October 20, 2014, 10:40:56 PM
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HF was the first full custom 28nm ASIC.  KnC used a shortcut.

That's why we ordered from them, if you can remember that far back.   Smiley

Hmm full custom you say? That's impossible! HF chip can't be a full custom chip. If it is the it must be the worst implementation ever!

Ok RS, if "full custom" is the wrong term please tell us the right one, because you know what I meant.   Wink


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October 21, 2014, 12:14:00 AM
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HF was the first full custom 28nm ASIC.  KnC used a shortcut.

That's why we ordered from them, if you can remember that far back.   Smiley

Hmm full custom you say? That's impossible! HF chip can't be a full custom chip. If it is the it must be the worst implementation ever!

Ok RS, if "full custom" is the wrong term please tell us the right one, because you know what I meant.   Wink

There are different type of making a chip. Most common ones are "full custom" and "standard cell". Bitfury has a full custom 55nm chip, all the rest are standard cell. Google is your friend my friend. Search and see the differences. HF chip must be a standard cell one, NOT full custom!

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October 21, 2014, 03:34:35 AM
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There are different type of making a chip. Most common ones are "full custom" and "standard cell". Bitfury has a full custom 55nm chip, all the rest are standard cell. Google is your friend my friend. Search and see the differences. HF chip must be a standard cell one, NOT full custom!

OIC, you are just trolling and trying to make me think I'd forgotten my ASIC vocabulary.

KnC's first chip was standard cell.  HF's GN1 is full custom.  That's why it is so much faster than the competitions!

750 GH on a single chip.  Still an unbeaten record.   Cool


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October 21, 2014, 03:38:35 AM
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There are different type of making a chip. Most common ones are "full custom" and "standard cell". Bitfury has a full custom 55nm chip, all the rest are standard cell. Google is your friend my friend. Search and see the differences. HF chip must be a standard cell one, NOT full custom!

OIC, you are just trolling and trying to make me think I'd forgotten my ASIC vocabulary.

KnC's first chip was standard cell.  HF's GN1 is full custom.  That's why it is so much faster than the competitions!

750 GH on a single chip.  Still an unbeaten record.   Cool

It's actually 4 chips on a single substrate.  So 750/4 is the actual speed of the chip, or 187.5 GH/s per chip. 



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October 21, 2014, 04:00:19 AM
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OIC, you are just trolling and trying to make me think I'd forgotten my ASIC vocabulary.

KnC's first chip was standard cell.  HF's GN1 is full custom.  That's why it is so much faster than the competitions!

750 GH on a single chip.  Still an unbeaten record.   Cool

"Fastest" chip from the fastest mining company bankruptcy in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

How many bitcoins are you willing to bet on GN1 being full custom?

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October 21, 2014, 04:43:15 AM
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"Fastest" chip from the fastest mining company bankruptcy in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

How many bitcoins are you willing to bet on GN1 being full custom?

Why put "fastest" in scare quotes?

Are you too cranky to acknowledge the simple fact that HF's 750GH/s/chip (whether full or partial custom) is still the world record holder by a large margin?

What does bankruptcy have to do with performance specs?  Did the GN1 suddenly get slower when HF ran out of money and time?   Roll Eyes

You appear to be letting your butthurt emotions color your view of objective facts of hardware output.

Do you need a crying towel or pouting handkerchief?   Cheesy


PS  Inaba, it's one chip with four dies.  Chip = [die(s) + substrate package].


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October 21, 2014, 05:02:25 AM
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What does bankruptcy have to do with performance specs?  Did the GN1 suddenly get slower when HF ran out of money and time?   Roll Eyes

It became irrelevant when they couldn't build a working miner out of it.

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October 21, 2014, 05:12:18 AM
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Are you too cranky to acknowledge the simple fact that HF's 750GH/s/chip (whether full or partial custom) is still the world record holder by a large margin?

PS  Inaba, it's one chip with four dies.  Chip = [die(s) + substrate package].

Wrong once again.

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October 21, 2014, 05:52:54 AM
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Are you too cranky to acknowledge the simple fact that HF's 750GH/s/chip (whether full or partial custom) is still the world record holder by a large margin?

PS  Inaba, it's one chip with four dies.  Chip = [die(s) + substrate package].

Wrong once again.



If I'm wrong, please tell the class what competing die(s)+substrate object offers higher performance than HF's.  Come on, don't be shy.  You can do it!  Oh wait, no you can't.   Roll Eyes

Both definitions are correct, but in common usage the complete die(s)+substrate package constitutes a chip.

Since you want to be a pedant, let's just agree that HF's GH per sq mm of wafer is the highest of any design, regardless of how obnoxiously narrowly you want to define "chip."   Grin


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October 21, 2014, 06:17:09 AM
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Are you too cranky to acknowledge the simple fact that HF's 750GH/s/chip (whether full or partial custom) is still the world record holder by a large margin?

PS  Inaba, it's one chip with four dies.  Chip = [die(s) + substrate package].

Wrong once again.



If I'm wrong, please tell the class what competing die(s)+substrate object offers higher performance than HF's.  Come on, don't be shy.  You can do it!  Oh wait, no you can't.   Roll Eyes

Both definitions are correct, but in common usage the complete die(s)+substrate package constitutes a chip.

Since you want to be a pedant, let's just agree that HF's GH per sq mm of wafer is the highest of any design, regardless of how obnoxiously narrowly you want to define "chip."   Grin

How does an entity that designed and built the best mousetrap known to man go bankrupt, while inferior mousetrap manufacturers continue to exist, supplying their customers with highly sough-after sub-par products?

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October 21, 2014, 06:20:23 AM
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I think this is what is causing bitcoin to stagnate.. too many fucking scams. here we have hashfast, I could sit here all day listing scams, etc. But hashfast really had some potential. I was very interested in them at the beginning.. Im so lucky that BFL already stole all my money so that I couldn't invest, lol...
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How does an entity that designed and built the best mousetrap known to man go bankrupt, while inferior mousetrap manufacturers continue to exist, supplying their customers with highly sough-after sub-par products?

You act as if HF is the first company in history to go bankrupt despite having a superior product, but you are far too old for that to be the case.   Smiley

Did you miss the last 12 months of this thread, where the story was told blow-by-blow and in detail?

You know the answers to your question, but pretend you don't just to create negative insinuations (and drama queen, as usual).

Do you really think anyone is going to buy your fake pearl-clutching pantomime?   Roll Eyes


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October 21, 2014, 07:10:05 AM
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You act as if HF is the first company in history to go bankrupt despite having a superior product, but you are far too old for that to be the case.   Smiley

If you consider the HF produced equipment to be a 'superior product' then that tells a lot about the low low standards you live by...

Only one out of 4 units that arrived here performed as spec'd out. The rest had to run crippled for an entire month until there was finally a software fix that disabled one of the cores, making the systems now to run at 3/4 speeds. That is surely a superior yield...

Oh did I forget to mention the superior product arrived over 2 months late, rendering it totally useless?

Why do you keep defending HF like you are Hashfast_CL's retarded little sister? "We got the fastest chip". Who cares. Bottom line  matters: HF did not deliver a working solution to their customers on time. And it turns out that most of it is to blame to incompetence too.
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October 21, 2014, 07:22:12 AM
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You act as if HF is the first company in history to go bankrupt despite having a superior product, but you are far too old for that to be the case.   Smiley
Why do you keep defending HF like you are Hashfast_CL's retarded little sister? "We got the fastest chip". Who cares. Bottom line  matters: HF did not deliver a working solution to their customers on time. And it turns out that most of it is to blame to incompetence too.

I think I remember a rumor that Icebreaker actually was Hashfast_CL. It really does make sense now. Nobody other than Icebreaker could completely destroy hashfast reputation and anger customers like Hashfast_CL did.

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How does an entity that designed and built the best mousetrap known to man go bankrupt, while inferior mousetrap manufacturers continue to exist, supplying their customers with highly sough-after sub-par products?

You act as if HF is the first company in history to go bankrupt despite having a superior product, but you are far too old for that to be the case.   Smiley

Yes, HF is the first bitcoin manufacturer in history to spend ~$15m on NRE and design a chip that is only on par with the competition.

BTW where is the document that outlines Hashfasts expenses? I've been looking through the documents here but can't seem to find it: https://cases.processgeneral.com/cases/document/case/5/hashfast-technologies-llc/

Both definitions are correct, but in common usage the complete die(s)+substrate package constitutes a chip.

No both definitions are not correct. A substrate is just the board part of any PCB (other part is components/copper traces). There are no ASICs that do not go on a substrate.

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If I'm wrong, please tell the class what competing die(s)+substrate object offers higher performance than HF's.  Come on, don't be shy.  You can do it!  Oh wait, no you can't.   Roll Eyes

I'm assuming you mean in terms of gh/s per substrate so here's your useless comparison:

Hashfail - 750 gh/s
Cointerra - 800 gh/s
SP10- 800 gh/s
SP30- 2,250 gh/s
BFL monarch - 800 gh/s

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Since you want to be a pedant, let's just agree that HF's GH per sq mm of wafer is the highest of any design, regardless of how obnoxiously narrowly you want to define "chip."   Grin

If anyone is being obnoxious it's you. Nobody cares about how much gh/s you can fit on a chip/pcb. What's important is the $/gh and w/gh for complete hardware not just the chips.

Yes the golden nonce is very good in terms of $/gh (~$0.1/gh I'd guess) but the w/gh is horrible and the amount of money they spent on engineering completely negates the production cost savings.
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