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Author Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s  (Read 875472 times)
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December 20, 2013, 12:19:38 AM
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I'm starting to think that you are correct. Sorry.

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The MPP coverage extends to up to 400% of the capacity purchased. For a Baby Jet, with a nominal 400 Ghash/s capacity, the MPP is limited to sending an additional 1.6 Terrahash/s of additional ASIC hashing capacity, for a total of 2 Terahashes!

Capacity purchased = 400GH/BJ and is independent from what those BJ actually go at.

(2TH = 0.4*4 + 0.4)

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December 20, 2013, 02:06:56 AM
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The reason why we keep coming back to the same discussions is that each time Hashfast said something clearly, there's at least one instance, usually more, where they contradicted the apparently canonical statement. 

This is a predictable result of Hashfast's marketing plan.  From the beginning the strategy was obfuscation.  Generate confusion about delivery dates and refunds through parsed and contradictory statements, selective silences.

In retrospect, the pattern is clear.  I think it will be clear to others too, on calm, cool argumentation.

The thing is that Hashfast actually still has time to do a whole lot to rectify the situation, depending on how they play their cards.  Yeah, they could decide to take D&T's option of assuaging their pained consciences with a sports car, hookers, and blow.  Or they could try to come out of this with reputations more or less intact and make a play to stay alive in the longer term.



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December 20, 2013, 04:06:52 AM
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Some other vendors when they missed their targets contacted customers, a choice of a full refund or additional hardware.

Yes, HF has MPP, but I suspect most buyers considered MPP a valuable bit of insurance against difficulty rises with on-time delivery and a bit of insurance against some regular, random, and unforeseeable delays. I don't think any of the batch1 customers— at least not any of them reading this thread— will feel whole even if by some epic feat deliveries happen before the end of the year without some remediation, since it really does sound like HF really had no reason to believe that it could or would make good on the original advertised delivery date, doubly so when coupled with the repeated communication that everything was on time which practically extended up to the deadline and induced additional sales.

I'm not even sure if there reasonably could be a remediation that would satisfy people at this point which no doubt makes it difficult to deal with. It might be that there is no resolution which would be mutually satisfactory at this point, at least one not involving a time machine.

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December 20, 2013, 05:13:12 AM
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I'm not even sure if there reasonably could be a remediation that would satisfy people at this point which no doubt makes it difficult to deal with. It might be that there is no resolution which would be mutually satisfactory at this point, at least one not involving a time machine.

Sure there is.  BTC refund. 'nuff said.

It's sad that I am 100% willing to let them off the hook completely for simply returning my original purchase price.
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December 20, 2013, 06:46:26 AM
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Heheh..the thread that never ends....

Yeah definitely a full btc refund would be welcome by most. One can get a lot of hashing power for that amount now. A btc refund for them must be a nightmare scenario though and I'm sure they will do everything possible to avoid it. It's Dec 20. Time is ticking. Full delivery before Dec 31'st. That would be a Christmas miracle indeed.

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December 20, 2013, 06:53:35 AM
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Full delivery before Dec 31'st. That would be a Christmas miracle indeed.
I think that it's a mathematical certainty by now that not all of batch 1 customers will get their order on time. As time goes on, this number increases exponentially.

That being said, you start delivering tomorrow, and the best proof you can come up with the day before is a press release? If you want to prove in court that you delivered working miners with a press release, i think that you will have an hard time with that.

Can someone find another reason for witch the press release was released with this timeframe? It's certainly not gaining new customers, they are not really influenceable by press releases.

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December 20, 2013, 06:58:08 AM
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Full delivery before Dec 31'st. That would be a Christmas miracle indeed.
I think that it's a mathematical certainty by now that not all of batch 1 customers will get their order on time. As time goes on, this number increases exponentially.

That being said, you start delivering tomorrow, and the best proof you can come up with the day before is a press release? If you want to prove in court that you delivered working miners with a press release, i think that you will have an hard time with that.

Can someone find another reason for witch the press release was released with this timeframe? It's certainly not gaining new customers, they are not really influenceable by press releases.

Yeah a press release don't mean shit. Any bum can put one out. I want to see a ton of unbiased customers reporting having received their product. I'd like to see video and picture evidence.


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December 20, 2013, 07:38:26 AM
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delivery BEFORE 31 dec is simply impossible ; then when the BJ'S comme in front the door after 31,  i simply refused Angry. MONEY BACK !!!!
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December 20, 2013, 08:35:56 AM
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Is it possible to be delivered to Australia by 31?  Lol I don't think so

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December 20, 2013, 08:53:19 AM
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Is it possible to be delivered to Australia by 31?  Lol I don't think so

It's possible if they ship ASAP and customs/courier company does a epic rush job. But it'll be tough seeing as it's end of the year / xmas season.

And if you're from Australia, don't forgot the tax/customs fee which is normally about 10% + customs accessing fee.

Possibly looking at paying about $600 in tax/fees for it.
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December 20, 2013, 08:56:44 AM
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Is it possible to be delivered to Australia by 31?  Lol I don't think so

nope heavy items take near a week for shipping, aussie customs closes for freight on the 24th, opens on  the 26th with minimum staff till the new year.

Dont forget us Aussie need to pay import fees for the rig
heres a rough guide what ill be paying for 1 rig to Aus

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Total customs value (FOB):    AU$6331.27    This is the amount that customs values your import at
- Duty:    AU$0.00
- Customs Service Fee:    AU$55.20
- GST:    AU$683.68
Total import duty & taxes due:    AU$738.88

that will need to be paid before they will allow it to leave customs

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December 20, 2013, 09:00:32 AM
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What are you guys going to do when it arrives at your door on the 2nd of Jan 2014?

Accept it and just pay the import tax/fee or refuse it?

Can people even refuse it so it can be returned back? Is that even possible?


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December 20, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
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What are you guys going to do when it arrives at your door on the 2nd of Jan 2014?

Accept it and just pay the import tax/fee or refuse it?

Can people even refuse it so it can be returned back? Is that even possible?




It wont arrive at my door till the import fees are paid.
But as i said in a previous post and an email i sent to failfast.
Since they are breaking their own ToS failing to deliver by 31st i will Refuse to accept the unit after the 31st with out some form of compensation

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December 20, 2013, 12:11:04 PM
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What are you guys going to do when it arrives at your door on the 2nd of Jan 2014?

Accept it and just pay the import tax/fee or refuse it?

Can people even refuse it so it can be returned back? Is that even possible?




It wont arrive at my door till the import fees are paid.
But as i said in a previous post and an email i sent to failfast.
Since they are breaking their own ToS failing to deliver by 31st i will Refuse to accept the unit after the 31st with out some form of compensation

I shouldn't have any trouble receiving this before the end of the month if they ship tomorrow but as a day one customer I'm not bound by the bogus Dec 31st date.

At this point I'm inclined to refuse an extremely late time critical delivery on a miner that will only return a fraction of what I paid for it.
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December 20, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
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What are you guys going to do when it arrives at your door on the 2nd of Jan 2014?

Accept it and just pay the import tax/fee or refuse it?

Can people even refuse it so it can be returned back? Is that even possible?




It wont arrive at my door till the import fees are paid.
But as i said in a previous post and an email i sent to failfast.
Since they are breaking their own ToS failing to deliver by 31st i will Refuse to accept the unit after the 31st with out some form of compensation

I shouldn't have any trouble receiving this before the end of the month if they ship tomorrow but as a day one customer I'm not bound by the bogus Dec 31st date.

At this point I'm inclined to refuse an extremely late time critical delivery on a miner that will only return a fraction of what I paid for it.


I've no dog in this fight (no order) but there are threads on bfl forums of those who refused orders..and with the bfl scam of really really shipping late (like 1 year late) it came to naught....ie BFL just kept the items on return and it went no where legally and the customers eventually got them to re-ship for postage after months of wait...so from a regulator point of view it seems (hey you got it in 6 months why are you bothering us?)....BFL the platitum standard of 'scams' .....(I ougtht to know forced upgrade to a 900gh of monarchs due to no refund policy...out 8k ..they will be bricks if/when I ever get them) anyway FTC rules ..fraud rules .they don't matter much if they are not being enforced...and anyone can look at BFL and say .."hey if they can get away with a year we can get away with a few months!" (anyway I know squat ..just from posts on bfl forums and elsewhere where this happened and or legally stuff has basically gone nowhere with class action or anything with bfl) er and this also includes small claims courts etc ..bfl just refuses to pay and nothing is done to them...so much for online protection as stated in usa laws....anyway...hopefully it won't come to this with the current mnfg and/or equip just saying what I've been tripping over on the BFL example.

good luck but hopefully it won't happen to you here on this item/equip mnfg

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December 20, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
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@Hoofprint @Witness

What are you guys going to do when it arrives at your door on the 2nd of Jan 2014?

Accept it and just pay the import tax/fee or refuse it?

Can people even refuse it so it can be returned back? Is that even possible?




It wont arrive at my door till the import fees are paid.
But as i said in a previous post and an email i sent to failfast.
Since they are breaking their own ToS failing to deliver by 31st i will Refuse to accept the unit after the 31st with out some form of compensation

I shouldn't have any trouble receiving this before the end of the month if they ship tomorrow but as a day one customer I'm not bound by the bogus Dec 31st date.

At this point I'm inclined to refuse an extremely late time critical delivery on a miner that will only return a fraction of what I paid for it.


I've no dog in this fight (no order) but there are threads on bfl forums of those who refused orders..and with the bfl scam of really really shipping late (like 1 year late) it came to naught....ie BFL just kept the items on return and it went no where legally and the customers eventually got them to re-ship for postage after months of wait...so from a regulator point of view it seems (hey you got it in 6 months why are you bothering us?)....BFL the platitum standard of 'scams' .....(I ougtht to know forced upgrade to a 900gh of monarchs due to no refund policy...out 8k ..they will be bricks if/when I ever get them) anyway FTC rules ..fraud rules .they don't matter much if they are not being enforced...and anyone can look at BFL and say .."hey if they can get away with a year we can get away with a few months!" (anyway I know squat ..just from posts on bfl forums and elsewhere where this happened and or legally stuff has basically gone nowhere with class action or anything with bfl) er and this also includes small claims courts etc ..bfl just refuses to pay and nothing is done to them...so much for online protection as stated in usa laws....anyway...hopefully it won't come to this with the current mnfg and/or equip just saying what I've been tripping over on the BFL example.

good luck but hopefully it won't happen to you here on this item/equip mnfg

Searing

I think your correct I'll just shut up and take it on the chin. And the taxes paid for something so unless like the BJ even a sierra is useless and  heart breaking . Unless they use some Brian  and say,  yes we'll send extra hardware to thank the people that believed in their project.

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December 20, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
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this is what they count on. that the customer is frustrated and non willing to fight. but not again. one BFL is enough.
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December 20, 2013, 03:38:33 PM
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December 20, 2013, 04:54:38 PM
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T-minus 11 days till the pitchforks and torches are unleashed.

Even twitter comments starting to get testy.
https://twitter.com/HashFast/status/413813050173448193

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December 20, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
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Hmm... so nothing more on the mystery of Amy's comment about 400 BJ's being produced?

Do people think that:

a) they will definitely miss delivery on the later orders for BJ's (machines 400-563) because, for some reason, they don't have the boards/chips (this would include my order)

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b) it's some confusion generated by the fact that at least some BJ orders were converted into Sierras

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c) maybe the 200 bj's ordered by "bet on ice" moron (quiet lately, isn't he?) are being provided to him in some other form (boards?), leaving about 400 machines for freebies/development plus paid customers?

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d) something else entirely?
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