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December 18, 2013, 09:47:24 PM
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Why are  you saying they aren't shipping in time? Last official word was shipping this saturday (21st). For americans, shipments to the USA from canada using UPS next day should generally arrive next day.

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December 18, 2013, 10:00:10 PM
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Saying to be shipping on a saturday just before christmas could be just another way to buy time - to leave you unprepared when they will delay after their own criminal deadline.

I think that for now, for my order, i will do 50/50 if they delay after the new year. I will keep half of the miners and demand a BTC refund for the second half, with the lawyer already ready when they will deny that in favour of USD refunds.

The deadline is really just behind the corner...

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 18, 2013, 10:04:35 PM
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We need a place to discuss how to proceed against HF that is not a public forum... It's hard to coordinate here. It's better to go on by our owns.

no need to hurry and to make a lot of words. action is required from HF side first. they have to deliver by 31. Dec. if it will happen we have no foundation to act against them. in case they fail to deliver by 31. Dec we have the right to ask for a refund. according to the original TOS it has to be in BTC (if you paid with BTC) or in USD (if you paid with USD). if they decline we will start to act against them.
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December 18, 2013, 10:07:00 PM
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if it will happen we have no foundation to act against them.
Well, i guess than in this case i'm just a bastard with money to throw away on lawyers over a question of principles. I really fell like there are several "foundations" to act against them.
On the other side, would you mind to point out the terms you are talking about in the original contract? I can't find them. Thanks.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 18, 2013, 10:08:24 PM
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Why are  you saying they aren't shipping in time? Last official word was shipping this saturday (21st). For americans, shipments to the USA from canada using UPS next day should generally arrive next day.

when did they say this?
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December 18, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
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Saying to be shipping on a saturday just before christmas could be just another way to buy time - to leave you unprepared when they will delay after their own criminal deadline.

I think that for now, for my order, i will do 50/50 if they delay after the new year. I will keep half of the miners and demand a BTC refund for the second half, with the lawyer already ready when they will deny that in favour of USD refunds.

The deadline is really just behind the corner...

we need a US based lawyer. he has to be familiar with the Bitcoin business.
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December 18, 2013, 10:09:42 PM
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we need a US based lawyer.
Check.

he has to be familiar with the Bitcoin business.
Check.

He also knows a few people of the HF team in person. (check).
He is positive about the outcome of the lawsuit due to how much HF screwed us up. (check).
He would also like to be partially paid only if he wins. (check).

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 18, 2013, 10:12:49 PM
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if it will happen we have no foundation to act against them.
Well, i guess than in this case i'm just a bastard with money to throw away on lawyers over a question of principles. I really fell like there are several "foundations" to act against them.
On the other side, would you mind to point out the terms you are talking about in the original contract? I can't find them. Thanks.

this is what the original TOS did say: delivered by 31 Dec. I never really believed on their date of deliver by 30 Oct but I did also not expect this late date in Dec.
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December 18, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
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this is what the original TOS did say: delivered by 31 Dec. I never really believed on their date of deliver by 30 Oct but I did also not expect this late date in Dec.
I was talking about the points that you claimed to define how the refunds where issued...

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 18, 2013, 10:15:26 PM
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we need a US based lawyer.
Check.

he has to be familiar with the Bitcoin business.
Check.

He also knows a few people of the HF team in person. (check).
He is positive about the outcome of the lawsuit due to how much HF screwed us up. (check).
He would also like to be partially paid only if he wins. (check).

great! then we have a lawyer probably. is he willing to act also for a group of customers together?
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December 18, 2013, 10:17:36 PM
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is he willing to act also for a group of customers together?
It's one of the main things he is interested in Smiley

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 18, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
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this is what the original TOS did say: delivered by 31 Dec. I never really believed on their date of deliver by 30 Oct but I did also not expect this late date in Dec.
I was talking about the points that you claimed to define how the refunds where issued...

refund in the currency you paid. have to check the original TOS again but I remember it was in the TOS.
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December 18, 2013, 10:20:00 PM
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But where is that point? And what does refund in the currency you paid means? Where do you read that it would be the same amount of bitcoins and not a lower amount for the same USD value?

I remember the posts from the ceo, it was misleading at least if they won't refund the same amount of btc you paid, but it has been discussed to death, they are never gonna do that by their own will.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 18, 2013, 10:24:03 PM
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But where is that point? And what does refund in the currency you paid means? Where do you read that it would be the same amount of bitcoins and not a lower amount for the same USD value?

if the company receive USD from me they have to refund the same amount of USD, if the company receive EUR from me they have to refund the same amount of EUR, if the company receive BTC from me they have to refund the same amount of BTC.

there is a precedence case with CoinLab and an investor some weeks ago and the court decided the investor has to get the BTC amount back not the USD amount.

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/07/judge-orders-coinlab-to-pay-up-in-bitcoin/

Bryan Reyhani is the right lawyer, I assume.

http://rnlawfirm.com/bryan-reyhani/
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December 18, 2013, 10:27:36 PM
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Let's see if Barber has the decency of stopping this massacre of customers and delay the shipment until when we can ask for a refund... After your post, with 10 days to go, for the first time, i'm crossing my fingers.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 18, 2013, 10:47:10 PM
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My invoice says "HashFast Technologies, Inc. (“Hashfast”) 97 South Second Street #175 San Jose, 95113 United States".
I will never have nothing to do with HashFast LLC, i suppose.

You seem to have done a lot of paperwork. Any interesting conclusion you would like to share? Thanks.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1584096/000158409613000002/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml

http://www.formds.com/issuers/hashfast-llc

Nothing conclusive but even on the HF website they list themselves as an LLC, just Google Hashfast LLC, if they are a Corporation that should be filed as well as it is completely different than LLC and they could have filed it in a different state.  Some states have that information indexed by google so it's easier to find, some don't.  All the same it's public data and it can be found, maybe D&B would have some other information... I guess I would just have to say that even though we are getting screwed that they did get an impressive amount of money for a company that is just about to be 6 months old or so... (meaning that they may not even have a D&B record yet as they usually take about 6 months before the company is listed with them)
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December 18, 2013, 10:49:07 PM
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is anybody able to get their D&B data if they have a record there?

why the heck do they have their business in DELAWARE if they all CA based?
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December 18, 2013, 10:54:30 PM
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the date is 2013-10-24! it was the date for start to shipping! it was a lie from the beginning!
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December 18, 2013, 10:55:57 PM
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is anybody able to get their D&B data if they have a record there?

why the heck do they have their business in DELAWARE if they are all CA based?
Many people base their corporation out of Delaware because of favorable laws there-there's also no corporate tax.  Even if they're an LLC (which doesn't pay corporate taxes anyway) they might wish to change their corporate structure someday.

That's why you'll notice that all the banks are based out of Delaware even though they're not headquartered there in reality.  
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December 18, 2013, 10:58:10 PM
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But where is that point? And what does refund in the currency you paid means? Where do you read that it would be the same amount of bitcoins and not a lower amount for the same USD value?

if the company receive USD from me they have to refund the same amount of USD, if the company receive EUR from me they have to refund the same amount of EUR, if the company receive BTC from me they have to refund the same amount of BTC.

there is a precedence case with CoinLab and an investor some weeks ago and the court decided the investor has to get the BTC amount back not the USD amount.

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/07/judge-orders-coinlab-to-pay-up-in-bitcoin/

Bryan Reyhani is the right lawyer, I assume.

http://rnlawfirm.com/bryan-reyhani/
I'm not sure if the Coinlab case really means much, coinlab promised in the contract to give the other firm 8000 BTC so of course they owe 8000 BTC so it's not the same as a case where something was priced in USD but paid for with BTC.
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