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Author Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s  (Read 865321 times)
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December 29, 2013, 09:59:45 PM
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The forum trust stuff has largely replaced the scammer tag.

I've gone ahead and and put in a negative rating for Simon Barber, and Hashfast itself.

Am I missing any other parties which acted as agents for hashfast and concretely promoted the belief that if hashfast failed to deliver they would refund the full amount paid?

[Edit: I've removed Cypherdoc because he claims to be a victim too. If I were going to down-rate everyone who in honest ignorance promoted something that turned out badly, I'd need to be down-rating a lot of people.  If the trust system had a softer way of making notes on traders I'd still whine, perhaps, but the full distrust is quite forceful]

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December 29, 2013, 10:01:40 PM
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My proposal is that they deliver hardware AND refund the difference between the hardware's statistical profitability (after 90 days of receipt of hardware) and the actual purchase price.  If they want to provide more hash power at an accelerated rate to reduce the refund difference amount and get to break-even faster, that is fine. 

If you mean that if a BJ earns 2 BTC in 90 days, but I paid 60 BTC for it, then HF should give me 58 BTC, I think that's not one that the company is likely to agree to.
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December 29, 2013, 10:02:16 PM
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You are correct, it's received by, not received from. Sorry. So the information about the sending server should be on the missing headers.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 29, 2013, 10:04:31 PM
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The forum trust stuff has largely replaced the scammer tag.

I've gone ahead and and put in a negative rating for Cypherdoc, Simon Barber, and Hashfast itself.

Am I missing any other parties which acted as agents for hashfast and concretely promoted the belief that if hashfast failed to deliver they would refund the full amount paid?


Thank you! Good job. Positive trust given Smiley

To be fair, you forgot to give Icebreaker negative rating for shilling hashfast as an insider. Did he ever identify himself?
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December 29, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
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Can't we give google reviews of their website as well? So when people search for hashfast it will show their reviewed rating right there next to their website url in google results?


Maybe so.  But if a large proportion of the B1 customers got together in something like, say, the "Hashfast Customers Protection Union", set up a nice website, agreed to and made reasonable demands of the company - for information and compensation - then I think we could get something even better.  

Like some nice articles in the national press.  All this interest in BTC that has generated miner orders is interest that can also focus attention on problems at miner companies.  Hell, the NYT ran a feature on a mining company last week.  

Headline:  "Bitcoin mining company sees its customers rebel"  or "San Francisco bitcoin startup faces backlash from angry customers".
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December 29, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
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I'm especially concerned about the 15 day refund window:

Quote from: HashFast
This cancellation and refund is Buyer's sole and exclusive remedy for HashFast failing to deliver by the December 31, 2013 guaranteed delivery date, and Buyer must cancel the order by January 15, 2014 to avail itself of this remedy.

It sounds like they're saying you can choose— within 15 days— to lock in an 86% loss, or endure potentially perpetual additional delays or failures to deliver.

(WRT the trust ratings: Any of you can leave them ratings... I don't get why I'm the only one whos done it so far.)

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December 29, 2013, 10:15:05 PM
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HF simply does what benefits them. Screw the customers. Full speed BFL mode.

 Sickening.
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December 29, 2013, 10:24:18 PM
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The forum trust stuff has largely replaced the scammer tag.

I've gone ahead and and put in a negative rating for Cypherdoc, Simon Barber, and Hashfast itself.

Am I missing any other parties which acted as agents for hashfast and concretely promoted the belief that if hashfast failed to deliver they would refund the full amount paid?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg2975190#msg2975190
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December 29, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
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I'm especially concerned about the 15 day refund window:

Quote from: HashFast
This cancellation and refund is Buyer's sole and exclusive remedy for
HashFast failing to deliver by the December 31, 2013 guaranteed delivery date, and Buyer must cancel the order by January 15, 2014
to avail itself of this remedy.

It sounds like they're saying you can choose— within 15 days— to lock in an 86% loss, or endure potentially perpetual additional delays or failures to deliver.

(WRT the trust ratings: Any of you can leave them ratings... I don't get why I'm the only one whos done it so far.)

Knowing that there's no way for us to fight this legal battle in 15 days.

There are a bunch of feedbacks. But it only shows if you trust the other users giving them the feed backs. Click "show untrusted feedback" and you will see all of our posts.



the arbitrary deadline means nothing to the FTC. It is against the law to do this, and they will pay. IF you agree to their contract, you sign away your rights to recourse.
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December 29, 2013, 10:25:32 PM
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And just a small little aside here...

We're missing very important data points on taking a decision about refunds, namely:

1) when and how the company will make good on the MPP, and;

2) when the company will ship (paid) upgrade boards, and;

3) what the final specs of the equipment are.

I think a reasonable person would see these as mitigating circumstances vis-a-vis Hashfast's insistence that you cancel within 15 days, because without those clarifications, many customers don't have sufficient information to make an informed decision, and the company seems to be deliberately withholding this information.
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December 29, 2013, 10:28:12 PM
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I'm at a BTC meetup in Sunnyvale, where the Hashfast VP of Engineering is giving a talk right now.

This is admittedly rather time-sensitive, but if anyone has any questions, I'll be happy to ask 'em!

Ask if they're still on schedule for shipping next week.

Not surprisingly, this was indeed one of the questions that came up last night.

And, as of a few days ago, ... ...  it looks like we're probably going to slip, by about a week.

Ironically, not because of the silicon, even though that is the part of the system that takes the longest to manufacture. That's going through the foundry smoothly. But we ran into a delay sourcing one of our other components.

We've now found an alternative source. But that delay means it'll be challenging for us to ship finished systems before the end of October.

It's disappointing, but unfortunately these things happen. I'm glad we've made it this far through the process, and are still so close to our target date.

(I'm watching every day to see how close Cointerra will come to their targeted tapeout date.)

Amy Woodward
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HashFast Technologies



Only a week delay though, right Amy?

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December 29, 2013, 10:36:12 PM
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I'm at a BTC meetup in Sunnyvale, where the Hashfast VP of Engineering is giving a talk right now.

This is admittedly rather time-sensitive, but if anyone has any questions, I'll be happy to ask 'em!

Ask if they're still on schedule for shipping next week.

Not surprisingly, this was indeed one of the questions that came up last night.

And, as of a few days ago, ... ...  it looks like we're probably going to slip, by about a week.

Ironically, not because of the silicon, even though that is the part of the system that takes the longest to manufacture. That's going through the foundry smoothly. But we ran into a delay sourcing one of our other components.

We've now found an alternative source. But that delay means it'll be challenging for us to ship finished systems before the end of October.

It's disappointing, but unfortunately these things happen. I'm glad we've made it this far through the process, and are still so close to our target date.

(I'm watching every day to see how close Cointerra will come to their targeted tapeout date.)

Amy Woodward
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HashFast Technologies



Only a week delay though, right Amy?

I don't understand this at all.
Anyone can go to farnell or newark and order rolls upon rolls of whatever components would be necessary, with like 40 different options of alternatives in an instant. It would ultimately raise the manufacturing price to do it that way, but surely these brought quite a healthy profit margin in the first place.

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December 29, 2013, 10:38:30 PM
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I just wanted to share something someone sent me in PM. I would like this one to become everyone's mantra.

"(hell, they already stole 40k USD from me; throwing 10k or 20k after them is only fair)"

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Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 29, 2013, 10:39:55 PM
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gm maxwell i found amy's link

Trust links to most of the Hasfast scammers

Hashfast -main acc
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=139624

Simon- Director of scams
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=39629

Icebreaker - Paid Shill
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=17501

Amy Woodward -Engineer of Vaporware
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=143806

CypherDoc
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8389

Erin hashfast
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=150904

im sure cara has an account to but i cant find it

MT GOX, WE.exchange (WE.Scam), BFL (Brutally Fkn Last), Hashfast (ScamFast), IceDrill (Licedrill),
No wonder the governments don't like Bitcoin with all these parasites
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December 29, 2013, 10:40:03 PM
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The forum trust stuff has largely replaced the scammer tag.

I've gone ahead and and put in a negative rating for Cypherdoc, Simon Barber, and Hashfast itself.
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Thank you for that.
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December 29, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
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source: HF Twitter account
1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

source: Eligius.st
1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

open in blockchain this:

https://blockchain.info/de/address/ecf0dfe07072afaed4135e99c70072cce2235a7f#

then search on the site for this:
1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

You will find it there.

Is it now absolutely clear that HF is this:
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

and this:
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

 Huh Huh Huh

Yes or No ?

I operate Eligius.

Since I'm not in the business of disclosing private datas, I'll simply point out that 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX is NOT Hashfast.

-wk

From a public key alone, you could not know for sure who any of your miners are.
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December 29, 2013, 10:45:59 PM
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I operate Eligius.
Since I'm not in the business of disclosing private datas, I'll simply point out that 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX is NOT Hashfast.
-wk
Superb! Can you now tell us if the owner of this address is blond, please?
1LAfPbb26RZ8vapELyXcMqHYEMd6g1mmrz


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December 29, 2013, 10:46:48 PM
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Since I'm not in the business of disclosing private datas, I'll simply point out that 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX is NOT Hashfast.
From a public key alone, you could not know for sure who any of your miners are.
A pool operator could also state this based on IP address(es), fingerprinting the hardware, etc... or simply knowing who that address really is!

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December 29, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
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source: HF Twitter account
1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

source: Eligius.st
1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

open in blockchain this:

https://blockchain.info/de/address/ecf0dfe07072afaed4135e99c70072cce2235a7f#

then search on the site for this:
1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

You will find it there.

Is it now absolutely clear that HF is this:
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

and this:
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

 Huh Huh Huh

Yes or No ?

I operate Eligius.

Since I'm not in the business of disclosing private datas, I'll simply point out that 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX is NOT Hashfast.

-wk

From a public key alone, you could not know for sure who any of your miners are.

unless of course he knows who that miner is, which i inferred from his statement.

Warning about Nitrogensports.eu
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709114.0
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December 29, 2013, 10:55:41 PM
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The forum trust stuff has largely replaced the scammer tag.

I've gone ahead and and put in a negative rating for Cypherdoc, Simon Barber, and Hashfast itself.

Am I missing any other parties which acted as agents for hashfast and concretely promoted the belief that if hashfast failed to deliver they would refund the full amount paid?


Simon Barber
Eduardo deCastro
HashFast
Erin HashFast
Amy Woodward
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