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Author Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s  (Read 865555 times)
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December 24, 2013, 03:55:21 AM

Anyone else notice how the network hashrate jumped by over a petahash just a few days after HashFast really got down to testing their chips?
No because it didn't happen.

The network jumped from 7.5PH to 9.7PH without any  major new shipments.  How do you justify your statement?
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December 24, 2013, 04:03:14 AM

Anyone else notice how the network hashrate jumped by over a petahash just a few days after HashFast really got down to testing their chips?
No because it didn't happen.

The network jumped from 7.5PH to 9.7PH without any  major new shipments.  How do you justify your statement?

Although I haven't been following the hashrate as closely as many I still noticed it jump back and forth between 8-10 the past month. You cant possibly think you know of every asic being shipped/being brought online. Could be more bitfurys/knc/butterflylabs. Hashrate is not climbing more than average.

1ph would be an incredible test. Maybe HF contributed to the rise but assuming HF alone caused any substancial rise with test units seems a bit far fetched imo.

I am sure if they were having such success we would hear about it.
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December 24, 2013, 05:00:45 AM

network jumped from 7.5PH to 9.7PH without any  major new shipments.  How do you justify your statement?

 Bitmain recently shipped several TH of 180GH/s Antminers.
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December 24, 2013, 05:07:32 AM

To stop the "lawsuit", all they have to do is pay off the litigious complainers with extra hashpower, shower them with BJ's and the pain will go away and no-one will be the wiser.

"Shower them with BJs"

This, is the best laugh Ive had today...

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December 24, 2013, 06:21:36 AM

The problem with "give more hashpower" is that its expensive and doesn't assure the company that the risk of lawsuits will go away.

A better path would be to offer the a choice of a full 1:1 refund in BTC as if the sale had never been made or enough additional hashpower that most customers would choose the latter.

The problem is that the 1:1 refund at this point would be a hard deal to match and I suspect that many people now believe the original October claims were flat out dishonest, making promises of further hash-power later unattractive.

This is what I was referring to earlier on the thread about there being potentially no clean solution. A half measure doesn't remove hashfast's legal exposure, and a full measure may not be within their ability to afford.

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

hash power only costs them 'cost price', whereas its value to customers is at 'retail price'... thus giving extra hash power is a valuable way for them to compensate people that costs less than its worth.

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December 24, 2013, 06:38:19 AM

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

hash power only costs them 'cost price', whereas its value to customers is at 'retail price'... thus giving extra hash power is a valuable way for them to compensate people that costs less than its worth.
Absolutely. The problem is that "give more hashpower" alone doesn't eliminate the potential lawsuits. "Your choice of refund or more hashpower" probably would, but I would worry that there is enough distrust now that people wouldn't take the hashpower even if it was the better deal in terms of the numbers.

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December 24, 2013, 06:56:57 AM


I believe that HashFast was flat out dishonest in their Oct delivery.  It was all marketing and a lot of hype.

I concur.  I believe that they either knew without a doubt that the October date was unachievable, or that they knew long before they ever mentioned a delay.  In fact there was an article with one of HF's execs where the exec noted that they were not receiving chips until November.  IIRC the article was written/posted sometime mid September.
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December 24, 2013, 07:54:59 AM

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

You've miscalculated something, I think it is just the opposite. The refunds are the cheapest option for HF for two reasons: If they refund the BJ they can resell that miner again, and also they don't have to give the MPP to the buyer and can also resell that MPP. Refund once, sell five times. Especially if they can refund BTC partially, not the full BTC amount which they obviously plan to do. I do believe they will not ship on purpose to provoke the refunds and then sell the "miners-in-hand" which will sell like pop-corns.
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December 24, 2013, 08:03:52 AM

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December 24, 2013, 08:14:40 AM

The problem with "give more hashpower" is that its expensive and doesn't assure the company that the risk of lawsuits will go away.

A better path would be to offer the a choice of a full 1:1 refund in BTC as if the sale had never been made or enough additional hashpower that most customers would choose the latter.

The problem is that the 1:1 refund at this point would be a hard deal to match and I suspect that many people now believe the original October claims were flat out dishonest, making promises of further hash-power later unattractive.

This is what I was referring to earlier on the thread about there being potentially no clean solution. A half measure doesn't remove hashfast's legal exposure, and a full measure may not be within their ability to afford.
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December 24, 2013, 08:23:11 AM

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

You've miscalculated something, I think it is just the opposite. The refunds are the cheapest option for HF for two reasons: If they refund the BJ they can resell that miner again, and also they don't have to give the MPP to the buyer and can also resell that MPP. Refund once, sell five times. Especially if they can refund BTC partially, not the full BTC amount which they obviously plan to do. I do believe they will not ship on purpose to provoke the refunds and then sell the "miners-in-hand" which will sell like pop-corns.


it's been the logical move for a while now...  hate to say it, but the miners were priced in $$$ right?  Only when things are priced in BTC can you demand full BTC back on refund (like Avalon chip buys)

It is converted to $$ at time of sale so it is cashed out at time of purchase.  They could send back BTC but at the $$ value. 


It's not like they have any goodwill to salvage with early customers anyway.

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December 24, 2013, 08:27:34 AM

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

You've miscalculated something, I think it is just the opposite. The refunds are the cheapest option for HF for two reasons: If they refund the BJ they can resell that miner again, and also they don't have to give the MPP to the buyer and can also resell that MPP. Refund once, sell five times. Especially if they can refund BTC partially, not the full BTC amount which they obviously plan to do. I do believe they will not ship on purpose to provoke the refunds and then sell the "miners-in-hand" which will sell like pop-corns.

If only HF planned quite that well! As if they did, they would have delivered ages ago... Frankly I don't think they are close to being that organized or financially savvy or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now!
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December 24, 2013, 08:41:27 AM

To stop the "lawsuit", all they have to do is pay off the litigious complainers with extra hashpower, shower them with BJ's and the pain will go away and no-one will be the wiser.

"Shower them with BJs"

This, is the best laugh Ive had today...

Cheesy at least someone got it

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December 24, 2013, 08:42:15 AM

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

You've miscalculated something, I think it is just the opposite. The refunds are the cheapest option for HF for two reasons: If they refund the BJ they can resell that miner again, and also they don't have to give the MPP to the buyer and can also resell that MPP. Refund once, sell five times. Especially if they can refund BTC partially, not the full BTC amount which they obviously plan to do. I do believe they will not ship on purpose to provoke the refunds and then sell the "miners-in-hand" which will sell like pop-corns.

If only HF planned quite that well! As if they did, they would have delivered ages ago... Frankly I don't think they are close to being that organized or financially savvy or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now!

They are not highly organized, they are just scammers. I mean isn't it obvious they never, ever meant to deliver in October? What other proof you need to accept the fact scam is their modus operandi?
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December 24, 2013, 08:43:12 AM

The problem with "give more hashpower" is that its expensive and doesn't assure the company that the risk of lawsuits will go away.

A better path would be to offer the a choice of a full 1:1 refund in BTC as if the sale had never been made or enough additional hashpower that most customers would choose the latter.

The problem is that the 1:1 refund at this point would be a hard deal to match and I suspect that many people now believe the original October claims were flat out dishonest, making promises of further hash-power later unattractive.

This is what I was referring to earlier on the thread about there being potentially no clean solution. A half measure doesn't remove hashfast's legal exposure, and a full measure may not be within their ability to afford.

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

hash power only costs them 'cost price', whereas its value to customers is at 'retail price'... thus giving extra hash power is a valuable way for them to compensate people that costs less than its worth.



tada! thank you. Giving more hash power is an easy win, they don't even have to make more chips to do it just allocate it out of their existing personal stash or just make some other poor sucker wait for their BJ (see what I did there?) Cheesy

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December 24, 2013, 08:55:23 AM

giving more hash power is less expensive than giving people refunds... especially if they have to refund in btc (which i can't see how they can afford to do, even if they promised it)

You've miscalculated something, I think it is just the opposite. The refunds are the cheapest option for HF for two reasons: If they refund the BJ they can resell that miner again, and also they don't have to give the MPP to the buyer and can also resell that MPP. Refund once, sell five times. Especially if they can refund BTC partially, not the full BTC amount which they obviously plan to do. I do believe they will not ship on purpose to provoke the refunds and then sell the "miners-in-hand" which will sell like pop-corns.

If only HF planned quite that well! As if they did, they would have delivered ages ago... Frankly I don't think they are close to being that organized or financially savvy or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now!

They are not highly organized, they are just scammers. I mean isn't it obvious they never, ever meant to deliver in October? What other proof you need to accept the fact scam is their modus operandi?
yup ! they are just scammers. their "last saturday shipping" and of course their insulting silence is an another proof of that.
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December 24, 2013, 09:33:59 AM

Baby jet will be worth In dust when it gets delivered
So MPP is hashfast's trade mark. Protection against what?  Ohhhh ok against hashfast, it all makes sense

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December 24, 2013, 09:54:36 AM

Pfff...MPP isn't going to make one damn difference. Now KNC is selling another batch of Neptunes  Undecided so our BJs don't stand a chance against the coming difficulty storm. *Sigh* maybe someday miners will realize that the only people getting rich are the hardware companies, not them. So keep on pumping money into their pockets folks. With HashFast it seems we totally pissed our money away.


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December 24, 2013, 10:10:21 AM

what an incredible lack of communication, for the "great" company they claim to be ...  Angry a great shot ads crisp on twitter ... the funniest  is the pseudo credibility  they try to regain with some shitty pictures they posted on a certain pool, few days ago... LOL


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Glad I never ordered from hash fast. I even had everything in the cart back in august.

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