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December 29, 2013, 07:18:28 PM
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I am not surprised. HF simply does what benefits them. Screw the customers. Full speed BFL mode.
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December 29, 2013, 07:25:24 PM
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@MrTeal, yes, my actions where not the best. I'm sorry for that and i hope that i can offer you a beer if we ever meet in person so that you will maybe excuse me. But please don't focus on my posts. Focus on what's happening.

>work together and get the bastards.
How can you do that if your lawyer suggest you to keep your strategy for yourself? I'm trying to help everyone. I had at least 5 people contacting me via reddit/email/forum pm during the last day alone and i'm trying to give to everyone the most detailed answers i can. I'm here on this thread on my freetime everyday trying to point out what HF is doing and what our best defences are. I don't know what else to do.

Your lawyer only has the obligation to his client. He doesn't want to help others. If it was a class action, it would be different, however the only person who will get paid in a class action is the lawyer. You ALL should have filed complaints with your state AG and the FTC months ago, but for some reason you let hashfast keep your money all this time hoping for some bs money printing machine that would make you rich. The only reason I can see people giving hashfast a chance after this long is greed.
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December 29, 2013, 07:34:18 PM
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No email here yet  Huh

No surprises though on the BTC refund - best of luck to jjiimm_64...

I give them some (very little) credit for being proactive with the e-mail.


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December 29, 2013, 07:39:58 PM
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If it was a class action, it would be different, however the only person who will get paid in a class action is the lawyer.


this is very tru.. only the lawyers win with a class action..

this new development is disturbing to say the least...  I was really holding out hope that HF was legit and moral, just late..


If indeed they do not send me my baby jets by tue. I will be requesting a refund of my btc.  Just to get the ball rolling on the trollfest that is about to ensue here.. this is the quote from my email

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Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for your patience while I got the answer for you, I greatly appreciate it.

The answer is if you buy Baby Jet for 51 BitCoins today and it does not ship, you will be refunded the 51 BitCoins you paid.

I hope that helps and hope you have a good weekend!

Thanks,
Cara


edit:  and here is a little bit of the header
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Delivered-To: MYEMAIL
Received: by 10.194.138.199 with SMTP id qs7csp90853wjb;
        Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.236.45.102 with SMTP id o66mr196684yhb.13.1376696316262;
        Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <bitpaysupport@hashfast.com>
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December 29, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
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jjiimm_64, thanks, and i own you a deep apology. I'm sorry.
I don't understand where that email comes from. Could someone help? (what's the server sending them? I get nothing out of whois)

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 29, 2013, 07:44:21 PM
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If it was a class action, it would be different, however the only person who will get paid in a class action is the lawyer.


this is very tru.. only the lawyers win with a class action..

this new development is disturbing to say the least...  I was really holding out hope that HF was legit and moral, just late..


If indeed they do not send me my baby jets by tue. I will be requesting a refund of my btc.  Just to get the ball rolling on the trollfest that is about to ensue here.. this is the quote from my email

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Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for your patience while I got the answer for you, I greatly appreciate it.

The answer is if you buy Baby Jet for 51 BitCoins today and it does not ship, you will be refunded the 51 BitCoins you paid.

I hope that helps and hope you have a good weekend!

Thanks,
Cara

Excellent precedent for all the lawsuits that hashfast will be getting into. The order amounts should be small enough for small claims court, easy for anyone to do. I would hope you can provide the entire email for verification in the future by other peoples lawyers etc.

Get your complaints written up people, submit them to the FTC, AG, FBI Internet crime center, etc. don't bother with bbb, they don't do anything to help but pester.

Edit thanks for the edit. Smiley

Discovery in a lawsuit will reveal that they sent that email, deleting or altering their records will end the case for them quickly, if they are stupid enough to destroy evidence.
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December 29, 2013, 07:57:32 PM
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we have lost btc no matter what we do, i filled out that trust thing on this site yall should do the same.

+1 for a scammer tag.

i hope john and castro OD as they are snorting drug using my money  Angry

MT GOX, WE.exchange (WE.Scam), BFL (Brutally Fkn Last), Hashfast (ScamFast), IceDrill (Licedrill),
No wonder the governments don't like Bitcoin with all these parasites
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December 29, 2013, 08:02:49 PM
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we have lost btc no matter what we do, i filled out that trust thing on this site yall should do the same.

+1 for a scammer tag.

i hope john and castro OD as they are snorting drug using my money  Angry

i just filled the trust thingy stuff out too... not that it is worth a damn
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jjiimm_64 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-12-29   210.00000000      I purchased 4 babyjets with the understanding that if not sent by the end of the year, the btc will be returned.. Now they are saying only the USD equivalent will be refunded (Delete)

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December 29, 2013, 08:06:32 PM
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we have lost btc no matter what we do, i filled out that trust thing on this site yall should do the same.

+1 for a scammer tag.

i hope john and castro OD as they are snorting drug using my money  Angry

what website?

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December 29, 2013, 08:09:17 PM
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we have lost btc no matter what we do, i filled out that trust thing on this site yall should do the same.

+1 for a scammer tag.

i hope john and castro OD as they are snorting drug using my money  Angry

what website?

uhhh.. bitcointalk.org: 
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Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
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December 29, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
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we have lost btc no matter what we do, i filled out that trust thing on this site yall should do the same.

+1 for a scammer tag.

i hope john and castro OD as they are snorting drug using my money  Angry

i just filled the trust thingy stuff out too... not that it is worth a damn
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jjiimm_64 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-12-29   210.00000000      I purchased 4 babyjets with the understanding that if not sent by the end of the year, the btc will be returned.. Now they are saying only the USD equivalent will be refunded (Delete)

i agree its pretty useless but if it stops only 1 person from getting scammed from Hashfast.
Then ill feel a little better.

feel free to do the same with simon, john, amy and hashfast_cl they were all in on the scam aswell

MT GOX, WE.exchange (WE.Scam), BFL (Brutally Fkn Last), Hashfast (ScamFast), IceDrill (Licedrill),
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December 29, 2013, 08:40:19 PM
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Okay, so this post may offend a little, but...

Now that you guys who paid with BTC are (predictably) in the same boat as us guys who paid in USD (i.e. at best you can hope for USD value back), is there more willingness to cooperate in making demands of Hashfast?

It seems to me that you can:

a) stomp and rage and try to get the same BTC back, probably just huffing and puffing here or, at best, winding up in court, or;

b) accept whatever deal Hashfast decides to impose on you (i.e. keep bending over and taking it), or;

c) all of us work together to force the bastards to release more and faster hashpower under the MPP to all of us.

I have been advocating greater cooperation for a while.  But this BTC refund issue has gotten in the way.

I vote for "C".  And I think we should contact all of the customers (we have their e-mails), and as many of us as will join should collectively go to Hashfast and make demands. Agree among ourselves on a position (say, 8x MPP by 1 March), sign a letter together, and then send a delegation to San Francisco (maybe D&T, if he would volunteer, to head it) to sit down the management and have a little chat.

I think "C" is really the only option for those who don't want to bend over and who are not truly prepared to sue for BTC refunds.  And, of note, I see no reason why engaging with Hashfast in this manner now would impede anyone's potential ability to allege fraud in a court of law with regard to to October delivery or the terms of the MPP at a later date (well, reasonably close later date).
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December 29, 2013, 08:45:58 PM
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Okay, so this post may offend a little, but...

Now that you guys who paid with BTC are (predictably) in the same boat as us guys who paid in USD (i.e. at best you can hope for USD value back), is there more willingness to cooperate in making demands of Hashfast?

It seems to me that you can:

a) stomp and rage and try to get the same BTC back, probably winding up in court, or;

b) accept whatever deal Hashfast decides to impose on you (i.e. keep bending over and taking it), or;

c) all of us work together to force the bastards to release more and faster hashpower under the MPP to all of us.

I have been advocating greater cooperation for a while.  But this BTC refund issue has gotten in the way.

I vote for "C".  And I think we should contact all of the customers (we have their e-mails), and as many of us as will join should collectively go to Hashfast and make demands. Agree among ourselves on a position (say, 8x MPP by 1 March), sign a letter together, and then send a delegation to San Francisco (maybe D&T, if he would volunteer, to head it) to sit down the management and have a little chat.


Only if you send this delegation.

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December 29, 2013, 08:50:35 PM
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My little point of view:
This company is made of scammers that are there to scam. Full point. You won't be able to get anything out of them using good manners. You need to get a lawyer and go to litigation against them. We can't even get a sincere information about the performance of the chips, hell.

People who paid in USD paid in USD, i think that they are lucky because now they can decide whatever to get a full USD refund or the miners.
People who paid in BTC will have to go trough endless pain to get their BTC back. And from what i understand, not many are ready for that.

I think that i will go on against them legally with a tiny group of trusted persons. It will be 1 guy that i trust and i've know for a long time and maybe another user of this forum, if he is willed to accept it (i don't think so).

I also think that WE need to find a lawyer willed to take individual actions for every customer. It will be a lot of work, but worth it. We need to defend everyone with small orders, they can't be left on their own against the Giant (David and Goliath, you know the story, right?).

WE need to cooperate. But we also need to proceed individually AND in group if we can't individually against this HF.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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December 29, 2013, 08:58:46 PM
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first off all! to everybody! DO NOT accept the procedure according the HF email!

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Confirmation that you understand USD order totals that were originally paid with BTC can be refunded  in BTC at the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund.

it is a agreement and if you sign it HF is on the save side! the only goal of HF ist to get as many customers as they can to sign this.

request a full refund in BTC with market exchange rate on the date of order if you paid in BTC! do this immeditaly after 31 Dec if they fail to deliver. accept NO OTHER agreement and let them know this fact!
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December 29, 2013, 09:07:35 PM
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OF COURSE IS CORRECT

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December 29, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
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request a full refund in BTC with market exchange rate on the date of order if you paid in BTC!

Exchange rates should not even factor into refunds. If there was an exchange from BTC to USD then HF took that exchange risk. Not us.
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December 29, 2013, 09:13:39 PM
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first off all! to everybody! DO NOT accept the procedure according the HF email!

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Confirmation that you understand USD order totals that were originally paid with BTC can be refunded  in BTC at the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund.

it is a agreement and if you sign it HF is on the save side! the only goal of HF ist to get as many customers as they can to sign this.

request a full refund in BTC with market exchange rate on the date of order if you paid in BTC! do this immeditaly after 31 Dec if they fail to deliver. accept NO OTHER agreement and let them know this fact!

this is very important, if you sign a contract agreeing to the new terms, you are screwed. That is why this is worded this way.
PLEASE DON'T EVER DO THIS!  IF THEY SAY YOU WON'T GET A REFUND UNLESS YOU SIGN THEY ARE LYING.

If you paid in BTC, only accept that exact amount of BTC in refund. We have seen proof that the policy was in place when orders were made.
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December 29, 2013, 09:20:43 PM
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ALSO WHY ASK FOR REFUND?? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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December 29, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
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source: HF Twitter account
1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

source: Eligius.st
1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

open in blockchain this:

https://blockchain.info/de/address/ecf0dfe07072afaed4135e99c70072cce2235a7f#

then search on the site for this:
1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

You will find it there.

Is it now absolutely clear that HF is this:
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

and this:
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1KSZMq1L9ZWEBKEHuW7ACXWZJYdxiTdaVt

 Huh Huh Huh

Yes or No ?

I operate Eligius.

Since I'm not in the business of disclosing private datas, I'll simply point out that 1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX is NOT Hashfast.

-wk

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